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Thanks for that, I have not asked and dont want to know. I have done what is best for us and our family and will never second guess this decision.

Thank you to all who gave me your thoughts and advise, the puppy is being returned to the breeder. Very sad at our house at the moment, but in the long run best for all concerned.

I had the same problem but the vet missed it and so did my vet so she was sold and thought to have been healthy. Have you contacted the breeder's vet to ask if they found it on his 6 week visit? I would. After the ultrasound you could find it won't affect him at all; some dogs have heart murmurs and live long healthy lives unaffected by it or he could just need medication. I have another dog and am currently fostering a dog (who hopefully will stay :)) and it has taken no attention off of them at all. The only care Coco needed was strict bed rest for 2 weeks and then slowly increase her exercising from there plus give her medication morning and night. We were a bit like you went and picked the pups up, and we were told that the breeders vet thought he might have had a murmur but couldnt be sure, that he would grow out of it and that they thought they could hear it only on the right side of his chest. It is now audible on the left but far more pronounced on the right. I have spoken to the breeder since and at the moment has only offered to take him back.

thank you all for your comments, I am really in a bind as i have so many friends that are breeders saying he should never have been sold to us, take him back (we got two at the same time brother and sister) and that if I do keep him it will take attention away from his sister because he will need so much more care. You are right i have got so attached to them both, spending 24 hours a day 7 days a week with them what else do you do. We have ordered the ultrasound and hope that this sheds some more light on the problem.

Can someone please give me some further information or links on puppy heart murmurs. We have just found out that our 3 month old puppy has a heart murmur, and the vets are now suggesting that we have to have an ultrasound done to further investigate the problem, we have been told that it is a grade 3/4 and this could be heard on both sides of his chest. If i could have a link that explains this further i would greatly appreciate it.

Are you serious? Apart from the fact that it means double the time, double the mess, double the commitment, double the costs and double the work (probably even more so when it comes to training), two puppies are very likely to bond more strongly with each other than the handler, that in itself is a major problem. Be glad you waited a year, your 12 month old hasn't even matured yet! True we do have a wonderful bond with Bear which I hope will never be broken. I just felt sorry for him as he had a year of being alone while we were at work. But I'm sure the games and antics they will get up to in the future will make up for it Thank you for commenting on getting the two puppies together, I have all this negative feed back from people not only on this site but others who say I have lost my marbles, I am an older person who does not have anything apart from the usual housework to do, partner is away through the week, these pups are my liferaft, keeping me sane. Don't worry, i have two pups of the same age as well. Well, there a month apart. I know everyone goes on and on about how horrible it is, but i have had no problems at all. Both my pups are bonded to me and each other, behave almost perfectly and are happily toilet trained. Yes it is double the work but i have the time, energy and effort needed to care for double trouble. I am also happy because they have each other to play with, and sleep with, and not have to be segregated from the bigger dogs until they are old enough to play with them. Our two boys were a year apart, and we even had a small injury from the older one playing to rough with the new pup. As for your initial problem about the toilet training, i have crate trained mine, and at 5 months i have had no accidents inside the house, or the crate. In the beginning i would take them out half an hour after every meal, whenever they woke up, and after a long play session. I think that EVERY half an hour is a bit excessive, but i can only speak from my own experience. After a few weeks they would both sit at the gate and let me know when they needed to go out, and still do to this day. I know you said she had access to the yard at all times, maybe that might be the problem. Maybe for a week or so limit her access to the yard to when you are taking her out to the toilet that way she associates the backyard with toileting, and not with playing. The whole crate theory is based on the fact that dogs will not go in thier home/area. My pups won't even go in thier play run, so maybe they see the yard as part of thier space as well. I don't know if it will help, its just a thought, hope all goes well. And don't let anyone make you think your crazy. As long as your pups are healthy, happy, and well cared for and recieve all the love, attention and veterinary care they require, and your not going round the bend, i don't care how many dogs you have of the same age! Our thinking is the same, the pups are bonding with each other and also myself. We have had a great night last night and today with more training and no accidents inside the only drama has been the heat, but with ice packs, lots of water to drink and play in issue dealt with. I dont think i could give any two animals more love than these two get, someone told me today i'm like a new mum with twins and you know thats exactly how it feels. So thank you I dont feel crazy just blessed that I have been able to get two great puppies who put a smile on my face every day I wake to see them.

Thanks I was going to start with Eukanbua (spelling???), that what the clinic I worked in always used and never had any problems. We have been going well today, play time and rewards after going outside and no yucky things today. Overnight was good as well, not one drama, I have also changed their feeding patterns and this seems to have helped even though it is the first day I think I am on a winner. Lets hope. To all who have posted have a great xmas and I will update with progress.

Are you serious? Apart from the fact that it means double the time, double the mess, double the commitment, double the costs and double the work (probably even more so when it comes to training), two puppies are very likely to bond more strongly with each other than the handler, that in itself is a major problem. Be glad you waited a year, your 12 month old hasn't even matured yet! True we do have a wonderful bond with Bear which I hope will never be broken. I just felt sorry for him as he had a year of being alone while we were at work. But I'm sure the games and antics they will get up to in the future will make up for it Thank you for commenting on getting the two puppies together, I have all this negative feed back from people not only on this site but others who say I have lost my marbles, I am an older person who does not have anything apart from the usual housework to do, partner is away through the week, these pups are my liferaft, keeping me sane.

Are you serious? Apart from the fact that it means double the time, double the mess, double the commitment, double the costs and double the work (probably even more so when it comes to training), two puppies are very likely to bond more strongly with each other than the handler, that in itself is a major problem. Be glad you waited a year, your 12 month old hasn't even matured yet! You might say double everything, but I would not have got two if I didnt think I could do everything I need to. I am home all the time with the puppies, take time out to spend with each of them seperately and apart from the problem we had with the little girl I couldnt be happier. Dedication is required and dedication is what they will get. I am grateful that there are some people out there that understand that in gettin two together that they will grow up together and be there for one another when I am not here with them all day.

When I say every 2 -3 hours that is me taking her out, that is picking her up and carrying her out. She is only inside through the night - no problems there - but she spends more time outside with her brother - who as I have mentioned does not have a problem. I have even watched her poop outside then she comes in waits maybe 30min and then goes. Diet is that same as when i collected them week and a half ago. So, that means she needs to go out every half an hour, regardless of when she last went.. remember, she is a BABY and has a tiny bladder. if my pup didn't go outside every half an hour, there WOULD be an accident. He'd even get distracted going to the loo, come inside and pee straight away. You seem to have a lot of excuses for why it's happening, but don't seem to be taking suggestions on board as to fix it. No not making excuses, just giving everyone the facts, I do know a bit about this as i have had dogs before as well as working in a veterinary hospital for 10 years, I have never had this problem with any dog or puppy before. And as i have previously said, she does spend a lot of time outside aready, and we went through the night last night with no accidents, bed at 11pm up at 5.30am - door left open crapped outside lots of praise and a treat given. Anyway today is another day so we will see how we go.

No not crapping all the time, only seems to be when i take my eye off her. She knows that she has done wrong thing as she even whines after doing it.

When I say every 2 -3 hours that is me taking her out, that is picking her up and carrying her out. She is only inside through the night - no problems there - but she spends more time outside with her brother - who as I have mentioned does not have a problem. I have even watched her poop outside then she comes in waits maybe 30min and then goes. Diet is that same as when i collected them week and a half ago.

Thanks for all the replies, I take her out very every 2 - 3 hours during the day, at night we dont seem to have a problem she sleeps very well just in a soft bed beside my bed and if I dont wake through the night - which is very rare - she lets herself out, I leave the door onto the verandah open through the night, this is the most frustrating bit. The other thing I have considered is that my partner is only home every second day and then a full weekend. We didnt seem to have to much of a problem yesterday but today when he was home she was just really "naughty". I did forget to mention we have two puppies (brave or stupid or dedicated)you pick which one, the male does not have any of these issues at all.

Hi ineedsleep Firstly, you won't get a full nights sleep with a new puppy for at least a couple of weeks. Here is an extract from our support page on my dogs website. House Training Young puppies should be taken out during the night as they don’t have the bladder control to hold on overnight until 14-16 weeks of age. So a few weeks of broken sleep will follow the arrival of a new puppy. Puppies will toilet after eating or drinking so take the puppy outside immediately after meals. Be patient and make a fuss of the puppy when its finished its business. Dogs also prefer to toilet on rough surfaces so take the puppy outside when it moves onto a carpet. Other signs to watch for are the tell-tale posture for evacuation. When the puppy assumes this position, it needs to go outside Dogs will not soil their den so the use of a crate to minimise inside accidents and train the puppy can be helpful. Set the crate up as a bed and this can then be used to put the puppy in when you can’t watch it or during the night while you are asleep. The crate could be the puppies bedroom if you like, where he can go when he wants to be left alone but it must not be used as punishment. Never scold a puppy for soiling inside. It will merely train them to soil inside when you are not watching. It is important to regularly take the puppy outside, reward soiling outside and minimise inside ‘accidents’. The puppy will then learn that it needs to go outside. It you catch your puppy soiling inside don’t scold it, but in a hurried voice pick the puppy up taking it outside saying ‘outside’ or whatever command you choose to instruct your puppy to go to the toilet. Then reward the puppy. With regards Px