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thanks guys. I called Fauna Rescue. I tipped it into a take away container full of tissues with a well sealed lid & air holes and will try to release it tonight as described by the FR lady. If that doesn't go so well I can take it to a carer 1/2 hrs away.

When I tipped it from my pants into the container it spread its wings and there was no sign of damage.

Sorry to put this in general but I didn't know where else to go.

I took my folded up jeans off the edge of the bath (where they had been overnight) , put my legs in and looked down as I was pulling them up and got a bit of a shock! At first I though mouse but in an instant I recognised BAT! A teeny tiny little bat!

Can anyone please help me as to what I should do with it. I'd really like it to live! I am located in Mannum SA and am willing to drive it to care if there is anyone available to who does such things?? I just left it bundled back up in the jeans as they were on the bath.

For size comparison.

HELLLLLLLLLLP ! TIA :)

Holy flying Koalas Batman!

The first photo clearly shows tan hairs over the eyebrows and the last photo has the faint masking of tan on the muzzle.

I guess that one needs to know what to look for with this.

I should imagine that in bright sunlight there will also be tan hairs visible on the pasterns, which I presume are "bare" ie the hair will be much shorter over the front of the pasterns as is with most of the true B/T cockers.

As to the breed standard, it is quite open about coloursand markings. There is no description of the black and tan colouration regarding position, shape size or intensity of colour, so there really is no guidelines as to what is correct or not. It's hard to call it a "fault". In this breed almost anything goes colour-wise except for sables or white on solids.

"Solid colours: Black; red; golden; liver (chocolate); black and tan; liver and tan. No white allowed except a small amount on chest"

These faint markings are not uncommon in the breed.

Pups like this are born black but as they grow, the tan markings become more obvious and then fade with age. Most dogs with these faint tan markings are registered as black because this is what they appear to be at the time of registration.

These markings dont usually become obvious until after the first coat change, and only occasionally they may be visible in strong lighting under 6 months of age.

Sometimes at birth there are a few telltale tan hairs around the anus but these actually disappear as the baby grows and are usually gone by the time the puppy is 8-10 weeks of age. It also usually means that the faint tan markings will begin to appear as the pup grows to be an adult.

If a dog with these markings is mated to a true black and tan there will almost always be at least one true black in the litter. If a B/T is mated to another B/T then all pups should have tan points. Even a gold from a B/T x B/T mating will have tan points but they simply are the same colour as the body coat.

There is some discussion as to the genetics of these ghost markings. Some believe that there is a suppression factor present which prevents the full expression of the tan points and that the dog is a "dominant black".

If registered, the dog in the photo would more than likely have been called a black. This would have been correct at the time of registration and I believe that the dog is phenotypically black but the genotype is black carrying tan points.

I dont think that it can be classified as a poor black and tan nor even as a poor black. Colour in cockers is pretty well an open things apart from sables, or solids with white other than on the chest.

I currently have a 10 year old dog with such markings. She is registered as a black and had the telltale tan hairs around her anus when born. These disappeared within a week. She was about 2 years old before the ghosting tan was at its peak but was always clearest in bright sunlight, and not at all obvious in normal lighting. As she has aged the markings are now almost invisible again. One of her black daughters has the same faint tan marks at 3years old.

Here is a good discussion on coat colour inheritance in the breed

http://www.powerscourt-cockers.co.uk/advice_pages/coat_colour_inheritance.htm

Thank you very much for your knowledgeable & informative response :) That is exactly what I was looking for.

I do know what you mean about the colour on the pastern area and I did look but couldn't find it on this dog.....although I will try to have a look in the outdoor light next time I see her. I asked about her parents and got a very vague response!....'The father had some 'brown', or was he all 'brown' or was that mum, and one of them had black?' was sort of how it went & from my experience 'brown' means golden when coming from a pet owner. So really that could mean anything! This dog is approx 18 months I think so what you say about the ageing of the colour rings true, as I don't recall seeing the eye markings on it before. It definitely still has a few very pale coloured(more like cream colour) hairs around the anus too.

Thanks once again.

OH EM GEE! I just did that survey and Skye Terrier was my number one!!!

Chow Chow was 4th which is a breed I have owned and want to own again!!

I cut & them dremmel my own dogs nails every week.

As a groomer for 27 yrs I have seen just about everything in the toenail department! Ingrown, macaroni, split, missing ....... I have only had a couple as bad as the OP dog.

this was a close one a couple of weeks ago.

I tend to cut and then dremmel on clients dogs. I use a cordless trigger shaped dremel with a stone attachment. Because I cut first and just use the dremmel to take off the rough edges it only takes literally 3 seconds for each nail so heat isn't an issue.

Close call!

It looks like the quick is quite long in that nail, what would groomers do in that circumstance? Trim just before the quick and leave a long nail? Or cause the dog some discomfort and trim it short but cut the quick?

I can see looking at that nail why you might think the quick is long but it is just a discolouration on the nail. The quick is actually just above the half way mark of that nail. Personally I would never hack through quicks in a salon setting. Of course we accidentally nip quicks on occasion but no I wouldn't set out to hard cut quicks to get nails back. Years ago I had a show groomer ask me to hold a Wire Fox while she murdered the quicks. It was one of the worst memories I have!

I cut & them dremmel my own dogs nails every week.

As a groomer for 27 yrs I have seen just about everything in the toenail department! Ingrown, macaroni, split, missing ....... I have only had a couple as bad as the OP dog.

this was a close one a couple of weeks ago.

I tend to cut and then dremmel on clients dogs. I use a cordless trigger shaped dremel with a stone attachment. Because I cut first and just use the dremmel to take off the rough edges it only takes literally 3 seconds for each nail so heat isn't an issue.

I groom this Cocker that for all intents is 'black' but I was looking closely at her today and now I wonder if she isn't actually black & tan, just extremely 'muted'.

If you look closely at her she has tiny tan kiss marks, and on both sides of her muzzle very faint tan right in under the black, and also has a few very light tan hairs under the base of her tail. A quick glance and you just see a black dog.

I wonder if there are any Cocker &/or colour 'experts' that can tell me if this dog would be registered as black or black & tan if you were to ANKC register it? ( I don't actually know if this dog is registered) Or would it be considered a fault to have muddy/muted markings like this.

I have tried to show the face markings in the pics. It's so hard indoors with a black dog! And yes I know the 'red' in the before pic isn't coat colour. And please don't rouse on my grooming, this is to owners request.

before grooming

If you like the thought of a bit bigger dog, Maybe have a look at the Lagotto Romagnolo. Not quite as big as the St.Poodle or Collie but I think an ideal dog for your situation.

Lagotto link

Just look at these mean vicious bull breeds doing battle. This is so brutal. That one on the left is clearly damaged by this vicious attack.

link

A DOG infected with the deadly Hendra virus has been put down on the NSW mid-north coast, where a total of four horses have recently died from the virus.

The incident follows the Hendra death of a horse from the same property near Macksville on July 4.

"It is most likely that the dog caught the virus from the infected horse following close contact," NSW Chief Veterinary Officer Ian Roth said.

The dog, along with two remaining horses and two other dogs, previously tested negative two days after the horse's death.

More monitoring, testing and quarantining of the remaining animals will happen before they are cleared of the virus.

A total of four horses have died from Hendra in Macksville and nearby Kempsey since June.

I feel for the owners of both dogs. If I owned the "attacking" dog I would be suing as well. The kennel has killed 2 dogs.

yes that is what I thought too. It was the kennels mismanagement of 2 dogs that resulted in this tragedy. The owner of the attacking dog has as much right to be pissed off at the kennel. Their dog may also still be alive if not for the kennel mismanaging their dog. Sad situation all around

Any where to find out what the other 12 breeds are going to be?

If you like the fluffy spitz kind of a dog I could not go past a Chow Chow for an apartment dog.

They are not overly vocal nor overly energetic, extremely clean in their habits and don't mind their own company if you are away from home.

Maybe have a look Here & Here

I made enquiries about these systems some time ago. The lady I asked had Sibes and even she said I would still need to hand wash faces, feet, ears etc. I just don't see how this system could wash extremities and scrub good under eyes and butt scrub under tails etc. I didn't follow through with the idea.

I know at OHs work as his boss only has poodles, and we have lowchen and lakies its a limited number of classes we can enter in a comp as breeds have certain eligibility classes we tend to swap dogs around or thru the salon they source clients who have suitable dogs and in return bath and dry the dog for free in the lead up. we ask around to friends as well. I'm lucky as my boss breeds and owns a few breeds so I can source suitable dogs from the kennels.. I'm borrowing a schnauzer and my girls half sister from her :)

What sort of creative can you do on a Schnauzer?!

I understand that a lot of the regular grooming classes a lot of groomers borrow dogs from breeders/friends/clients etc. But do people really borrow Standard and other size Poodles and Bichons etc for creative competition?

My dogs are simply much more beautiful than that, as they are. Don't need or want it.

What does a 'thing' like that cost BTW?

It would be unaffordable to groom a pet dog like this to competition level for an owner request due to the time involved. The competition dogs are mostly owned by the competitors because of all the pre work of coat growth & maintenance & pre colouring etc. The cost of the dyes and other coat enhancements is quite costly, plus the competition entry fees and the cost of travel & accommodation to get to the venue, plus the cost of pre competition maintenance grooming plus all the time involved. It adds up to be quite expensive I expect!

They breed out of standard, recreating that oversized american tough guy dog on a chain look. They started out through Adonis kennels which says it all.

You can try showing him if he's not built like a tank but if he's too far out of the breed standard don't be expecting a win. The dogs look way oversized.

Oh Adonis really that says it all! I didn't look at the link but I expect it's full of massively oversized bulked up muscle dogs in all sorts of *powerful* poses and photographed at mass boosting angles with lots of chains & fire & shit in the background???

Places like Adonis are the sort of places that make me not renew my state body membership. While they wont crack down on outfits like this they make my membership a joke. Pretty sure one of the things members agree to abide by when signing up is 'to only breed for the improvement of the breed' or some such similar statement. And I can only conclude that that would refer to the improvement of the breed within the registered breed standard? In the journal month after month numerous litters from the same kennels, often several with the same sire and not a champion to be seen anywhere. It makes a mockery of dedicated breeders everywhere & a joke of ANKC membership.

I have to recognise the talent and don't mind doing a little bit of basic fun colouring myself....but I am not a fan of the excessive competition creative.

This is a little rescue dog I co-fostered last year. Lesson....don't give me a white foster dog lol!

some metabolic conditions seem to change the shedding pattern in some dogs ie....make them shed for Australia!

Many of the dogs I know with cushings never seem to stop shedding.

The sighthounds are beautiful!

I'm not 100% sure that it's big enough.. but the 'North Adelaide Dog Park' is pretty big, I've seen plenty of people jogging with their dogs there. It's a fairly popular park though

I'll check it out, thanks! I'd be going mid-morning so hopefully some of the busyness will have abated by then anyway :)

I've only been to one part of mt crawford forest so not sure if they are all similar, but if your kelpies are likely to take off after a stray sheep I don't recommend going off lead. I always take Reg on long line now..

In TTG area I think your best bet is linear park, perhaps you could do A circuit along the main foot path then back along the river. Still not sure if that would be quite as large As you'd like.

If you find a place let me know!! :)

Mt Crawford is definitely do-able, I think it's actually a little bit closer than town for me :) Not too worried about the sheep, they live next door to sheeps now with some pretty shoddy fencing and don't go after them (I'll keep my eyes peeled though just in case!). Ta :)

Watch for 'roos in the forest too. I often see them in there.

Im thinking it might be time for a 'MA the musical'.