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I've put my small dog in a bin before. She was reactive at the time, so I was constantly scanning surroundings. Saw a large dog running free up a drive towards us and so I had time to grab her and drop her in a bin up a drive (luckily a there was a bin up an ungated drive and I didn't get shouted at for trespassing.

Judging by the dogs body language and the fact the owner didn't even want to touch its collar to take it home I think I made the right choice.

I have never thought about putting a dog in a bin but I have thought about putting them on top of a bin or even up in the fork of a tree.

I have owned multiple dogs for many years and I have never had a fight. Until recently I had three and there were no fights. I now have two bitches and the old girl is the boss although the youngster can be cheeky. I guess I respect the pecking order and insist on polite behaviour around mealtime. They eat from their own bowls and I remove them when they are finished. I don't feed big bones, only chicken wings, so nothing is left to be buried. I don't think I could live with dogs who were likely to fight. I talk to my dogs a lot and I think they believe they are not dogs but people because they always listen to me. :)

The new Canberra Times article makes it sound like there are dogs roaming all around attacking people everyday. Not saying that roaming dogs are not a problem!! I've been lucky enough to never have to bump into an agressive roaming dog, and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. But the data in the new Canberra Times article quotes research by Dr Cam Day which is actually the research done by Flinders University. http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/pubs/shortreps/canines.html

A lot of the bites are from owners breaking up dog fights, and the majority occur in the owner's own home.

The article is written in a very sensationalist way.

How do you know and why are dogs fighting in their own homes? My dogs have never had a fight amongst themselves.

Adding to my post #19 I have located the post here about people with dogs who have bitten and what they do about it. It is here http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/264876-five-year-old-girl-was-bitten-by-dog-inside-bunnings-store/page__st__255

in #256 by Raineth

I am currently researching dog bites, and I am staggered by the amount of dog owners who report that their dog has bitten someone more than five times, and yet they still fail to even take the most basic precautions to prevent it occurring again.

This article appeared in today's Canberra times.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/dog-attacks-put-three-canberrans-in-hospital-every-week-20151127-gl9qhy.html

Dog attacks are putting Canberrans in hospital at a rate of almost three each week.

Almost 250 dog attacks – almost five a week – were reported to the ACT government in the past year, with 153 resulting in hospital treatment and 116 dogs seized.

The figure for 2014-15 is slightly lower than the ACT's average of 260 dog attacks a year, and significantly below the previous year's count of 379 dog attacks.

Canberra boy Jack Hartigan was attacked by two dogs in 2011 and has filed civil action against the ACT government.

Canberra boy Jack Hartigan was attacked by two dogs in 2011 and has filed civil action against the ACT government. Photo: Melissa Adams

However, more people ended up in hospital in 2014-15 than the year before.

They're cute LG. I need new pjs. I might buy a pair.

So, you've all forgotten the case of Ayen Chol?

No I haven't forgotten. It is always at the back of my mind. Why do you ask?

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically. It was to meant to remind some other posters that the Canberra incident wasn't the first time a dog has forced its way into a house to kill its prey.

I think also with summer coming on people might leave their normal front door open for ventilation but they should be aware that if their own pooch sees a cat or small dog walking past a flyscreen door might not stop their dog getting out and attacking.

P.S. It seems there has been another dog attack in Canberra.

That other attack is also horrific. I have read somewhere here on DOL (can't remember where) that owners whose dogs have been declared dangerous mostly do not comply with the confinement conditions. I think we have a problem and I personally am concerned about some dogs some people are keeping because they are prone to aggression and the owners think they need protection and the dogs are a deterrent. They boast about their dog's aggressive tendencies.

Oh I saw the lost post on CLPD (the FB link Sars posted) and wondered what had happened that they were saying do not approach the dogs or let them near other animals

What a nightmare for all involved. I think I would probably have them put down as well, the life they would have to have in order to not be too much risk wouldn't be much of a life for them

I think these dogs should definitely be put down. They have shown themselves to be dog aggressive to such a degree that they will kill other dogs. Society needs to be protected from dogs like this. I hope the owner was not using them for breeding. He has done the right thing though by owning up which is commendable.

So, you've all forgotten the case of Ayen Chol?

No I haven't forgotten. It is always at the back of my mind. Why do you ask?

Thanks Snook. The other day at training I allowed my small dog to sniff another dog that was standing by itself (I did ask the owner first). The other dog lunged and somehow dragged my dog under its front legs. Just as quickly I lunged and pulled my dog back out and then tried to pretend to be calm because I didn't want my dog to be alarmed. Since then I don't stand anywhere near that dog but I was proud of how I reacted. It was a situation where I was alert that something might happen and was able to react quickly. The situation you describe is awful because it was not expected. What happened? Was Justice hurt?

I have been thinking about this all day. One woman actually took her dogs inside because the two large dogs were wandering around the complex and then they actually burst through her screen door and took her pet from right in front of her. That would have been so scary and one has to wonder whether that woman will ever recover or will she be haunted for a very very long time, possibly with PTSD?

I think my fences are safe and will keep my dogs in but will they keep other dogs out? How can I keep other dogs out of my yard and out of my house?

When I walked my dogs this morning I kept thinking what would I do if we were suddenly accosted by an unfriendly dog/dogs. I would probably pick my dogs up and try to put them over someone's fence. Then I was wondering how would I know which fences had dogs behind them and which didn't? Then I thought if I picked them up the other dogs might attack me but that would be something I would be prepared to risk if it would save my dogs. What would you do? What should you do? I know stay calm, stand still, and turn your back, but what about your dog, especially if you have it in your arms? Some dogs (and sadly some owners) see small dogs as legitimate prey. I really don't feel safe.

My concern is genuine so please don't attack me. I am elderly and I do own two small dogs and I do have an anxious disposition although I do try to stay calm.

Here's another link to people discussing the dogs while the rangers were searching for them.

I find it terrifying. The dogs broke into someone's lounge room where they had put their own dogs thinking they would be safe and then the dogs took one away and it was later found dead.

My 4 year old granddaughter has taught herself to read and she hasn't even started preschool yet. Games to help preschoolers learn to read are everywhere especially digital ones on her mother's iPad, and her older siblings read. She tries to keep up with them.

The owner did not even realise his dogs were getting out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-25/dogs-allegedly-involved-in-dunlop-attacks-surrendered/6971292

Dogs surrendered after vicious attacks in Dunlop

Updated 5 minutes ago

Dogs responsible for Dunlop attacks

PHOTO: Domestic Animal Services said these were the dogs believed to be responsible for killing two other dogs and injuring a teen in Dunlop last week. (Supplied)

RELATED STORY: Two animals killed, teen injured in Canberra dog attacks

MAP: Dunlop 2615

Two dogs allegedly behind a spate of vicious attacks in Canberra's north-west have been surrendered.

Domestic Animal Services (DAS) said two medium-sized pitbull crossbreeds were involved in the attacks in Dunlop, in which two other dogs were killed and a teenager injured last week.

In one attack it appeared the dogs broke into a home through a flyscreen door.

The owner of the dogs contacted DAS last night after seeing media reports on the attacks.

"He was very upset," DAS registrar Fleur Flanery told 666 ABC Canberra.

"He was unaware that the dogs had attacked or had the propensity to attack."

She said the owner did not realise the dogs had escaped from his property.

"He noticed that there was a hole in the back fence Saturday morning, went about repairing the back fence and really was quite oblivious to the dogs running around," Ms Flanery said.

She said based on the evidence she would declare the dogs dangerous this morning.

"Then we go about working with the owner and also the aggrieved parties to see whether a dangerous dog licence can be given to the owner," she said.

"If that's not the case or they can't meet the conditions or if the dogs present a significant danger or we don't think that they can go back into that household they may be euthanased.

"But that's quite a few steps away."

Ms Flanery said it was a timely reminder for dog owners to be vigilant.

"Dogs most of the time are happy, loving things but they can also attack and we don't know why they do it," she said.

"And any dog can attack, not just a specific breed."

The owner of a dog killed in the attack had said they were traumatised but did not wish to comment further.

Topics: animal-attacks, crime, dunlop-2615, act, canberra-2600

First posted about 2 hours ago

Believe me, this is civil.....

Am I supposed to feel threatened?

Willem loves his child and you love your dog. Okay. You don't have to fight about it. Neither his child nor your dog was involved so let's be civil. Both of you

That hole is simply not big enough for a Mal to get enough of its muzzle out to take hold of and chew a girls arm. The only possible way for this to happen would appear to be if the child stuck her hand through. I'm not saying she did, just that the gap is tiny.

I also question how a child would not pass out if a limb was literally being chewed off. The original article said it was amputated too.

It's horrible yes, but personally I won't make any judgements here as the two articles contradict each other too much for us to have a clear understanding of what actually happened.

As someone has said earlier the limb was not chewed off (that is media exaggeration) it was amputated at the hospital because of the irreparable damage to ligaments and tendons.

That is a massive colour bond fence, how much more do people have to do to keep their dogs away from people? That tiny hole is way too small for a Malamute to get through or easily stick it's head out. I would assume that would be more than enough to protect my dogs.

It's half the width of one of those treated pine boards they put under those fences and that's big enough for a muzzle or a hand. The fence was obviously not good enough to keep the dogs away from people because someone did get bitten. When it was originally put up it would have been okay but dog owners need to keep checking their fences and do regular maintenance. Don't just assume that they are okay.

Have you seen their fencing? It looks pretty damn good to me. That tiny little hole barely looks big enough for a Malamutes muzzle

...in this source from another angle; I don't call this a sound fence to contain powerful dogs, however, I don't know how it looks from the inside. If there is nothing that would hinder the dogs from digging their way through it is definitely not suitable.

I think that photo explains so much. There is room there for a hand or a muzzle and the retaining wall is just in front of it. She would have been sitting on that wall and perhaps put her hand back without even looking and the dog has grabbed it. Poor girl, poor owner, poor everybody including the dogs.

Willem is right. 5 year olds are not toddlers and they can be tearaways. As a child (approx 3) my mother nailed up the windows to keep me in because I was given to escaping and taking myself for a walk down the street. Should she have kept me on a chain? Yes RSA I was feral but I didn't steal. All my children have been very active and curious. I was once asked to take my son out of a shop because he was touching everything. No doubt you would call my children feral. Believe me I tried very hard but they were challenging. They have all turned out okay as adults but all my grandchildren are also very active and a nightmare to take shopping.

Bunnings is very stimulating for curious active children. My daughter often leaves her children with me while she goes to Bunnings, or I have even been asked to sit in the car with them while she goes in quickly for something she has forgotten.

I would never take my dogs to Bunnings. It could be quite dangerous - weed killers etc, or something might fall on them, or someone trying to manoeuvre a large object to the cash register might not think of looking down to see if there is a dog in the way. I can't understand anyone wanting to take dogs there. I like to concentrate on my shopping not on what my dog is doing.

That video of Wags has haunted me. That poor little dog I hope he is closed down.

Some experts claim that curiosity is a sign of intelligence and that curious kids go on to become scientists and doctors. RSA Perhaps one day a once curious kid might save your life and you will be grateful.

I think I understand your pain DDD. Thinking of you and Danny

How about Zimba the first lab on here. My link

The Canberra dog control people have just released this video on Dog Park Etiquette and I thought it was worth posting here. I don't know how to embed videos so just the link

Not sure my samoyeds would be very comfortable in a trolley.....although I'd pay to see SSM stuff the IW in a trolley lol

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