joey13

20 hours ago, Rebanne said:

I would be taking him to the vet now and take a poo sample as well to check for worms. Your talking about another 2 - 3 weeks before he sees a vet yet you are concerned enough to seek advice here.

 

Was he also desexed or do you have a contract for later desexing? Just curious, it wouldn't have any bearing on his weight now unless he had a hard time of it.

Yes he’s been desexed .

As I said, I’m not really concerned I just wanted to make sure I’m giving him the best possible chance.
 

He has been regularly wormed and I watched the foster cater worn him before we left her place. He’s just a small pupper I think.

My original question was more to see if he would be stunted due to his rough start but it seems he may very well end up being normal size in the end. Either way, I really don’t mind. As long as he is happy and healthy. I love him already. 

4 hours ago, tdierikx said:

I've owned and bred Rotties in the past... and 7.3kg at 11 weeks is a bit smallish, but if he's otherwise happy and healthy and not starving, then he may well just be a smaller type... it happens - especially with an unknown parentage/breeding. Also, I've had smaller type pups have startling growth spurts and end up well within the breed standard with regards to height/weight.

 

Personally, I'd be feeding him as much as he will eat at each feed at this age/stage... he's going to be having very interesting growth spurts for the next few months, and will need all the fuel he can get for those. Also, don't overdo the calcium... larger breeds should be grown relatively slowly in order to avoid bone/joint/tendon issues futher down the track.

 

If Ares turns out smaller than average, does it really matter? As a Rotti, he will still be a faithful, loyal, and loving family member who will love you to the moon and back forever.

 

T.

Thanks for all of that information. That’s very helpful!! As you said, I don’t really care if he ends up being small, I just wanted to check to make sure I’m giving him the best chance is all. I’ll take your advice on board. 

45 minutes ago, juice said:

The reason i asked is because feeding a puppy is different to feeding an adult, and raw feeding a pup is a harder thing to get right.

I have fed raw and kibble depending on the dogs i have at the time.

Either way the amount you are feeding are too little for a big breed dog, unless he is a cross bred.

Thanks for your help. I’ve had rottis growing up and he def seems very pure. I’ll up his intake .

7 minutes ago, juice said:

Were they feeding R/C Rottie puppy ?Why did you change it if he was doing well on it ?

 

I did plenty of my own research and consultation with multiple breeders and veterinarians when I got my first puppy. I decided on a RAW / BARF diet for her and she has thrived and done very well on it. Horses for courses and each to their own. I've met many dogs who thrive on the dried/ kibble diets and have no doubt they have had long and healthy lives.

However for me personally, I genuinely believe in the benefits of Raw food over dried food and have seen the results for myself and not just with my own dog.

Personally, I wouldn't feed a dog anything else. But that's just me.

"doing well" is a pretty subjective term. I am not sure how well he was doing because I never met him before the day I adopted him. He is a very healthy and active puppy and doesn't appear underweight at all...he's just small. Hence the reason for my OP.

37 minutes ago, Dogsfevr said:

First off your weight is based on him actually being a Pure Rotti ,he may well not be .
So the question i would be asking does the body condition look right for the pup .Has he been wormed regularly ??
Have you had the pup vet checked ??
I own large breeds and whilst raw is great the quantities is often so off base for growing puppies .
My large breed pups would be starving with those ratios .
They often get near 1 kg of food a day around 4/5 months & im not stingy in pups .
There growing,its winter .As long as its the right meat/s for a growing pup then i feed to wait they need not a raw calculator

The rescue is very confident that he is a pure bred Rotti. But I suppose you could be right.

He looks small but his body condition is fine. He does not look under weight. He was previously being fed on 'Royal Canin Rottweiler'. He has been wormed every 2 weeks since being fostered. The pup was vet checked by the Rescue and was suitable for permanent adoption. I will have him checked by my vet when he is next due to be vaccinated.

So do you actually feed your dogs Raw? What percentage / weight of food would you recommend I feed him? I'm now thinking somewhere around 800g is appropriate?

2 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

If the rescue didn't do a vet check (shame on them) you should get one done,

The rescue most definitely had him vet checked and was in good condition to be adopted, otherwise he would of remained in foster care. He has been wormed, flea treated, chipped and vaccinated as he should be.

His next vaccination is due mid July and he is already booked in.

29 minutes ago, Rebanne said:

Welcome to DOL. Ares should be getting a minimum of 3 feeds a day IMO. My experience with a "runt" puppy was by 10/12 weeks of age you couldn't tell the difference. I would have thought since Ares was fostered from 5 weeks of age, as long as the foster carer knew what they were doing, there should be no long lasting effect on him. However he may have an underlying health problem which has not yet made itself known. I also don't think 300 grams is anywhere near enough food for a large breed puppy. My breed, where the males get up around 36 plus kilos fully grown, 300 grams would be breakfast at 12 weeks of age. Is he skinny? Coat in good condition? When was he last wormed? I'd be taking him to my own vet for a check up asap. I'd also consider adding in some dry food unless you can get in touch with a rottie breeder who also feeds raw to guide you in the correct way to feed what should be a large dog. Large dogs are harder to raise correctly on a totally raw diet. Hope some of this helps

Doing some more research on the topic tonight and I think you are right. I will definitely up the intake for ARES tonight. Thanks for your reply.

G'day Guys and Girls,

My wife and I are delighted to have recently successfully adopted 'ARES', an 11 week old Pure Rottweiler Puppy from the 'Australian K9 Rescue Victoria.

I am asking this question as the puppy is not due back at the Vet until mid July for his final vaccination and wanted to get some advice in the interim.

ARES's backstory is very limited but what I know is that he was given up at the tender age of 5 weeks old. The Foster carer had him for 6 weeks with us adopting him on Sunday 21st June.

The people who gave him up were apparently a large group of people (12+) living in a home together. They were originally giving up ARES and his brother. When the rescue place arrived, they changed their minds at the last minute and decided to keep his brother. The rescue strongly plead with them to give both puppies up (to avoid high probability of eventually being given up later down the track) but they insisted and kept ARES's brother - . Given he was only 5 weeks when given up, I think it could be safely assumed he was possibly weaned from mum around 4 weeks of age - WAY TOO SOON.

Anyway, ARES is going great and our 5yo Female Mini Bull Terrier has taken on the big mumma role like a duck to water.

I'm a little concerned with ARES's weight and development. Today I weighed him at 7.3kg. His birthdate is listed as 02/04/2020, so he is 11 weeks, 6 days. From my research, he should be somewhere around 13-15kg at this age???

I am a firm believer in a BARF diet and raised our Mini Bully on this diet from 8 weeks old and she has thrived. I am currently feeding him 4% of his body weight (approx. 300g) over 2-3 times a day. He is quote the pig! 

I just wanted to know if ARES growth may now be stunted due to his rough start? Will his weight catch up to where it should be? Should I be feeding him more to accommodate this and bring him up to weight?

On 3/7/2017 at 5:59 PM, SouthEastChris said:

Hi guys I'm not a business or anything but happy to sell as much raw meat as you want as I bulk buy for myself and my family. I live in Melbourne South east and only do pick ups.

 

Roo mince $4 kg

Rabbit mince $4 kg

Deer mince $4 kg

Chicken mince $2.50 kg

 

I put 0 preservatives in my minces and all game meat is minced fresh and frozen for 3 weeks to kill any parasites.

 

I also make BARF mix's so if anyone is interested pls get in touch.

Hi Chris,

I have sent you a Private Message.

Joey.

Weighed puppy today and she is 10.5kgs. She was 22 weeks 2 days ago. She weighed 4.6kgs at 10 weeks so she has put on average 491kg per week.

Looking at the scale on the first page though, it would appear I have been underfeeding my dog but looking at her, shes in top condition and is neither under/over.

She is eating 100% Raw and eats around 450-550grams of food a day.

I think it might be a combination of things that is causing this. She is spending a fair amount of time outside while we are at work and we have had a few family emergencies as of late and haven't had the chance to give her the daily training sessions we would have liked.

I know she is trainable because she is learning the basics very quickly and when she is in training mode, she DOES NOT bite. She is actually progressing really fast after several hours time with her today. I have noticed that she is absolutely buggered in her indoor crate now more so than usual.

I think it's boredom mixed with excitement from spending time as well as the fact she's a naturally mischievous and difficult breed.

I'm going to continue to employ all of the above suggestions aggressively every day for the next 7 days and will keep you updated.

Thanks for all your help!

How food oriented is she? My bitey puppy I taught to kiss instead so each time he kissed me he got a treat.

She is fairly food orientated.

usually the mother and siblings teach them a bit about bite inhibition. I wonder how much time she spent with Mum.

The mother was moved on and re-homed at around 6 weeks I think and was the only pup in the litter so this makes sense.

The annoying thing is that she seems trainable. I can get her to touch, sit, drop, leave it and off (let go). She's also starting to make progress with loose leash walking.

Just the biting!!! She just won't let you touch her without doing it! Majorly frustrating. Sometimes when I go to remove her from the time out area shes jumping up and biting my hands before I've even taken her out!

I got pretty upset today and gave her a couple of light smacks on the snout when she did the wrong thing which I now feel guilty about. However this only seems to make her more defiant and encourages the behavior so that's out!

I guess it's just going to have to be consistent with time out and the other suggestions above!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad :mad :mad :mad

I have a 13 week old Bull Terrier Miniature! She has been with us since 8 weeks old!

I am really really struggling with the puppy biting! no matter what I do, she just doesn't seem to get it.

I've tried the high pithced 'ouch', time out and removing myself from the room, light tap/flick on the nose...everything my puppy school has taught...doesn't matter what I do, she just keep doing it. She is so high energry it's almost like she is possessed. She will jump up at my face, grab my ankles, my hands, my wrists, my shoes my pants...EVERYTHING! It's so frustrating.

My 5 yo cannot play with her let alone touch/pat her because she just goes nuts when she see him.

I really don't know what to do. She just doesn't get it. She hurts like hell when she bites too with her razor sharp teeth drawing blood nearly every time.

She just seems to get more excited no matter what I try.

Like behavior, vets generally have no clue on food either, mine told me my dogs would get salmonella if i continued to feed raw :laugh

P.S pics?

Will get some new pics up very soon.

Are you feeding the Big Dog Puppy BARF? This is just their standard combo BARF in smaller patties? I seriously doubt any calcium supplementation is required, and really supplementing without blood testing is pissing in the wind. IF the calcium levels are a concern, then it's easily rectified by increasing % of bone content in diet.

Thanks for all of your replies. Yes I figured out that the "puppy" range as such is the same typical analysis it just comes in 1.5kg packs instead of 3kg.

I am comfortable with my decision to continue feeding the pre made BARF with actual Raw Meaty Bones.

One more quick question. I have just purchased a deep freezer so I can buy her food in bulk and give her more variety. Since picking her up (4 weeks ago) she has been on the "Combo" big dog because I on;y had room for 1 box at a time but now I plan to buy the entire range. I was thinking of mixing it up like this. Thoughts are much appreciated...At the moment I am feeding 3 times a day. 1 out of the 3 meals is actual raw meaty bones. Once she is 6 months old, I will be feeding twice a day with one meal being actual meaty bones.

Mon - Beef

Tue - Chicken

Wed - Combo

Thur - Rabbit

Fri - Lamb

Sat - Turkey

Sun - Fish

Mon - Beef

Tue - Chicken

Wed - Lamb

Thur - Combo

Fri - Rabbit

Sat - Kangaroo

Sun - Fish

I also feed her green tripe twice a week which will be somewhere in this mix.

That's what I thought! Thanks for your reply.

Hi guys,

Had my Mini Bull Terrier puppy at the Vet on Monday for her 10 week Vaccination. I advised the vet that I was feeding a RAW/BARF diet consisting of 1/3 actual meat/bones (necks, wings, ribs) to assist with chewing and teeth hygiene/health and the other 2/3 are BARF (Bigdog pet foods).

She asked me if it was a "puppy" formula to which I replied no. She advised me that I need to supplement the pup with a calcium supplement for the first 9-10 months as there is insufficient calcium in the diet since its not a "puppy" formula as such which she says is the main difference.

I am somewhat skeptical and hesitant to go with her advice? My pup does light work of all the bones I give her and the Bigdog food has crushed bone and cartlidge and to my knowledge is balanced. I would have thought that she would be getting plenty of calcium from this diet?

She is consistently putting on 500g weekly and the vet actually said "she is in top condition" and complemented her weight and the fact that she was not over, not under.

Advice is greatly appreciated?

Cheers, Joey.

Gone. Note a trace.

So I've just given her 1/4 of a chicken carcass/frame and I think we have success. She has taken it into her kennel and is working on it quite vigorously but I'm hearing lots of crunching

Thanks for all the advice guys!

I will give her another go at the whole chicken wing and stand back.

I will let you know how I go.

Thanks again!

I was supervising super close because I was nervous!

I might try necks? Are they supposed to be softer? I'll def get some frames too. Maybe the wings can wait for a few more weeks!

She's still very small.

I tried again with the wings, this time cutting into smaller pieces. Couldn't do it. To me it looked like she had intentions on trying to swallow them but couldn't and the noises she was making freaked me out. They seem to get stuck in the top of her mouth and she struggles to get it off or something or maybe she is trying to down it but it won't go.

Way too risky for my liking.

I want to continue with the raw meat and bones but it's proving a tad difficult at the minute because she's only eating meat. No bone content as such.

Are necks any better or softer? Should I wait until she's a little older for wings?

Melton West, VIC

How do I go about fixing that??

So I shouldn't freak out when she swallows the bones?

SHe certainly didn't seem to mind it but she was making strange sounds which made me concerned.