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Suze

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  1. (Unfortunately the idea of welcoming this new member to our family meant emotion did overtake logic for the time that we put this deposit down!)
  2. We have not been to visit. We have not been invited. I am yet to even receive an image of the parent dogs despite a request. (I would think proud breeders would have these saved to their phones/computers and could send them in an instant!?). We are to 'visit' and pick up the pup same day. I don't believe they gleaned anything at all about us in the initial convo (to help make their decision) - I asked 'what is the process if we are interested in adopting one of your pups' (expecting a chat as other breeders had had long chats with me despite not being likely to have pups for a long while). The response was 'you just put $xxx deposit down and it's yours.' In contrast, I have spent 40 - 60 minutes on the phone to other breeders chatting about them and our circumstances etc. (where it's been evident that they have been encouraging me to chat to find out more - as suggested in one of the above posts). So I am quite willing to do that (and had expected it). On the bright side, we visited another breeder today (who invited and encouraged our visit) and had a really positive experience. Thanks everyone for your feedback. From my own experience I think it's safe to say that even within the registered and reputable breeding industry there are many levels of commitment and support offered. I may be overthinking this, but the key concern for me is that those that treat breeding solely as a 'business' (even if their dogs aren't mistreated) are logically more likely to cut corners in choice of mating partner? (i.e. cheaper stud dog to make a larger profit overall?); probably less likely to commit time and effort to socialising pups when young etc. etc?? (in other words will do the bare minimum, without doing anything 'wrong', which could then translate to health/temperament issues down the track).
  3. I suppose I assumed a deposit would be non-refundable. But I have nothing in writing saying that. Does anyone know the legalities? Are they required to return the deposit for change of mind? I have received no terms.
  4. The ridiculous thing is this breeder is actually more expensive than two other clearly very dedicated breeders I have since (after paying this deposit) spoken to (and really jelled with).
  5. I have much preferred the breeders that have shown more interest in us (but we stupidly put the deposit down on this pup too soon). If I were ever to breed puppies (not something I plan to do :) that's how I would be (very interested in the new owners). Perhaps it is a case of mismatched personalities. Maybe other potential buyers feel people that a breeder is overstepping? But I feel breeders have every right to ask lots of questions. I think a few of the replies have really hit the nail on the head - the breeder just doesn't seem that invested. They are not (as far as I can tell) doing anything especially 'wrong' - mistreating the dogs etc. (there's no puppy farm red flags or anything like that). They just seem 'removed' from the whole process. It feels like a business transaction. It's a lot of money to spend and if for the same 'investment' (in our new family member :) we can have lifetime support from a breeder I think that's a good reason to think twice. Thanks once again for the replies.
  6. Thanks for the replies. It seems there is a real broad spectrum in terms of the way things are done,and that is confusing for people new to pure breed dogs and trying to not only do the right thing (avoid puppy farms, pet shops etc.) and find a quality breeder for their money and to ensure temperament etc. I suppose it is what you (as a buyer and breeder) are comfortable with. Being completely new to buying from a breeder (or buying a pure breed dog at all) we felt we'd done the 'right' thing by trying to source a registered breeder, one linked to a breed-specific state association etc. But I've since realised there is much more to it. We were also unsure about the deposit without meeting the breeder or dogs. In addition to this have had a general feeling of disinterest to my questions from the breeder; we've had only really poor photos of the pup; no photos of the parents - some vague information about them being 'imported blood lines'. Everything I have received I've had to request, nothing has been offered up. The pup also has a small hernia, which I was told is not an issue and we should have repaired when desexing later (slight discount on the price). But having spoken since to other breeders I have been told that it is always the breeder's responsibility supply a perfectly healthy pup - so the hernia should always be done by the breeder. I guess the next question is, would you forfeit the deposit to go with a different breeder that you feel more comfortable with (given the potential costs of a dog over its lifetime, particularly health issues etc. that may be less prevalent in more interested/responsible breeders)? Or I am really overthinking it? (perhaps the breeder is just so 'old hand' at it that they forget what it's like to have no knowledge/be new to all this!) I realise we probably jumped the gun on this entire process, but as stated above, being new to pure breed dogs/their adoption, the ins and outs it's been a steep learning curve.
  7. We recently put a deposit down on a pup - thinking we had done 'everything' right; searching the breed's state representative group and consulting its breeders list, and then comparing with postings on this site (of course the state club does not 'vouch' for the members listed on the breeding list, so it is still up to the buyer to thoroughly research etc.)... which brings me here - I have since spoken to a few other breeders for the same breed and their attitude has fueled my doubt about our choice. I keep reading over and over again that a reputable breeder will 'interview' you - want to know about you and the home their pups are going to, will be proud and full of information about their dogs (the mother etc.) particularly. The other breeders we've spoken to were very much like this. The breeder of the pup we have paid a deposit to didn't ask any questions at all of us - just wanted a deposit to secure the pup. All other information I've gathered very slowly - all from my end. In contrast other breeders I've spoken to were full of knowledge etc. and very keen to talk and offer lots of information, photos etc. On 'paper' the breeder seems to be doing everything they have to (supplying puppy pack, pedigree papers etc.) I don't believe the breeder is a puppy farmer or anything like that, but I am concerned that for the amount of money we are paying they may be disinterested in their dogs, and then perhaps that we won't get the most well socialised pup etc. If we hadn't already put down a deposit I would likely choose one of the other breeders I had long discussions with - because we have put the deposit down I'm interested to hear from other breeders if I may be reading to much into it/what I should definitely be looking for in a competent/committed breeder. Any red flags? Thank you
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