Elle23

On 19/04/2021 at 11:54 AM, Powerlegs said:

Are you planning on desexing the mother? 

 

She is booked in for next week. 
I already had full intentions of desexing her but unfortunately she fell pregnant before the the age we wanted her fixed, so to save her from another litter we decided that being sterilised before the age of 2 is better than her having another litter 

2 hours ago, JRG said:

My sympathy to you -Poor baby.

I have been following this conversation carefully because the law is different in different States.  I could see small claims in Victoria maintaining that you should not have sold the pup, knowing that it was “faulty” (ie not fit for purpose) and awarding the purchaser full recompense + expenses.  I hope for your sake that is not the ruling in WA.  You need to remember that currently animals are treated the same as inanimate objects by most of the Law.

As a breeder you should never pass your problems off on to someone else.

I understand that and I don’t agree with the animal laws in this country I think it’s disgusting, my animals are my babies and every single one of those pups were treated as my own, they were spoilt and loved incredibly I said to the woman who bought him if she ever needed to contact me she was more than welcome to and the fact the vet had even suggested contacting me about the puppies surgery and she said no put him down and is now demanding a refund makes absolutely no sense to me or anyone else I have given every detail about this dilemma to. 

1 hour ago, Dogsfevr said:

Interesting the vet spoke so much because unless the actual owners authoritised such conversation the vet may find themselves in drama.

Vets still have a client confidentiality so I’m surprised the vet openly talked so much about a dog you no longer own .

 

The new owner did give permission to talk to me. 

1 hour ago, Dogsfevr said:

If they go to small claims you will likely lose and pay out more .

Also keep in mind most vets will cover there butts in what was actually said so unless the vet is prepared to put all that in writing don’t take it as gospel .

 

You may want to consult with your lawyer 

I spoke to the vet directly also, I doubt very much they would have any chance at winning. I have there bullshit messages and the vets notes also the conversation I had with the vet

22 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

Bloody hell!!! That is just so sad...

 

Massive hugs to you @Elle23...

 

T.

Thank you x

Just now, Elle23 said:

Good afternoon to anyone still following this post, I’ve had confirmation from their vet that the euthanisation was their decision and the vet had suggested getting in contact with me to see if I would take the pup back. I have been sent all the vets notes and will not be issuing a refund to them. He was in no state where euthanasia was necessary. 

They had also fed him a ridiculous amount in the short time they had him and did not follow the diet I had for him 

Good afternoon to anyone still following this post, I’ve had confirmation from their vet that the euthanisation was their decision and the vet had suggested getting in contact with me to see if I would take the pup back. I have been sent all the vets notes and will not be issuing a refund to them. He was in no state where euthanasia was necessary. 

4 minutes ago, Diva said:

If their vet advised euthanasia and they can supply proof I doubt you have any recourse except to refund the purchase price. You sold an unwell/special needs puppy  and you have nothing in writing, or so it sounds, to show that you did so with full disclosure and they accepted the risk. You might even be in breach of animal welfare laws for selling a sick animal. I would ask for their vet to confirm their story but if they acted on vet advice and take you to a small claims court, I would expect them to win.

 

I have proof of disclosure in messages and  updates on how he is doing they were fully aware of his condition prior and post sale. This is why I’m on here I will be getting in contact with a lawyer to see where I stand but I do appreciate what everyone has to say here. I still believe that getting in contact with me and returning him would have been a better option for everyone involved as I said above, I have never heard of someone doing this before hand. 

24 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

Who euthanaises a pup without contacting the breeder before doing it? Surely his issue wasn't so grave as to require that as a first option? Especially as his condition was disclosed prior to them agreeing to take him, and diet, etc was provided to ensure he stayed as healthy as he could be...

 

You managed to raise him to 10 weeks as a happy healthy pup... so what went so horribly wrong within 24 hours of him leaving your place?

 

T.

My guess is that they didn’t give him the gripe water before feeds like I said to (that played a massive role in him being able to eat because he had bad colic) and they didn’t feed him the correct food I supplied. They said that after he ate he was in terrible pain? Which makes me wonder what they fed him because he was fine when I fed him his correct diet I adore animals and I wouldn’t have let him suffer massively and just play it off like it’s nothing for money. I asked them a lot of questions and I got multiple different answers that all contradicted one another so I really am at a loss at what to do 

9 minutes ago, Loving my Oldies said:

You must be devastated.  Shocking and disgusting thing for them to have done.  

I’m absolutely shattered, I grew to love him so much and so did my mum she wanted him I was already a bit heartbroken when I sold him and that just made it so much worse 

2 minutes ago, Rebanne said:

I think you will just have to suck it up and refund the money on proof of euthanasia. The new owners did do wrong but sounds like you shouldn't have sold the pup either. Mega oesophagus is terribly hard to deal with. 

She was aware of his condition when she picked him out and said she was completely fine with it although yes at times it could be hard to deal with when he would have an upset it didn’t change his personality and didn’t affect him from his playtime and normal puppy behaviour I feel as though they gave him different food from what I supplied them with and it caused an upset and they couldn’t handle it and didn’t want to pay the money for the surgery he could have had, I said in another reply I had found out after he was born other dogs in the bloodline had that issue but outgrew it I am completely saddened that they cut his life short and now want me to be out of pocket what I have paid for in the 2 weeks they technically owned him for but I still had him in my care 

5 minutes ago, Elle23 said:

No I didn’t have a contract, I’m not a registered breeder it was an accidental litter I just sold them all privately 

Also I feel I should add that I stay in contact with other owners of my dogs siblings/ parents and have now found out after the litter were born that the mother of my dog and her sister had the same issue and they both outgrew it , my dogs have no health issues

6 hours ago, Boronia said:

Ask them politely to email you a copy of the invoice from their vet as you need it to show your vet who would like to consult with their vet on the reasons for the euthanasia.

it does sound a little sus

I will ask for vet documentation soon but am just too upset and still trying to understand, everyone I have spoken to about the matter are all confused and think they are either trying to scam me (meaning they haven’t actually put him down) or didn’t realise how much effort pup needed even tho I had specifically gone over every detail that I knew

5 hours ago, Rebanne said:

Did you have a contract? Did it mention his health problem?

No I didn’t have a contract, I’m not a registered breeder it was an accidental litter I just sold them all privately 

Hi everyone, 

I had a litter of pups and 1 of the puppies had a bit of an oesophagus issue. I sold the pup to a family and had told them everything I knew about said pup, his diet that doesn’t upset him and even gave them food and some medicine to take home with the pup. After purchase I had the pup for another 2 weeks as she couldn’t pick him up at 8 weeks and he was doing very well happy, playing, eating fine, toiletting fine etc. day after pick up I had a phone call saying they had him put down due to his issue and basically are demanding their money back. The vet said there was a surgery that could fix his issue. They did not contact me before making the decision and I have informed them that I would have taken him back with a full refund and I would have given the pup the vet care that he needed.