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That's Great Jim, Maybe they'll find out what it is, and help everyone either prevent it, or at least find a cure for the poor little stiff pups, so they'll have a nice normal life.

Well I'm gonna try and find links to as many "ASK A VET" sites, and list them here, and whoever wants to go thru this post and write to them showing what we know it isn't, and asking them to help us figure out what the cause is. http://www.animalnews.com/vet/ http://www.hometownannapolis.com/pets_askavet.html http://www.critterconnection.com/aavet/vetdogs.html http://www.vet4petz.com/askthevet.htm http://www.purinaone.com/online_vet_dog_as...sp?vetChooser=1 http://www.bigyellowdog.com/askavet/default.htm

Found another link about Gastric Torsion http://www.canismajor.com/dog/bloat.html It affect's breeds with Deep Chests.

OK, I found something which may or may not help. Could these puppies dying have anything to do with Dog Colic or Gastric Torsion??? I just found a link on the web (haven't read all of it yet) About Gastric Torsion affecting tall skinny breeds such as the boxer St Bernard etc. Here's the link http://www.bestfriends.org/members/vetnotes/stomachflips.htm Might help - most likely a waste of your time though LOL

I just read on a US shih tzu breeder's site that oxytocin is used to dispel retained placenta's, and to help bring on milk production - this lady gives her dog 2 teaspoons of beer to bring on milk production and swears by it.