Bex80

Try and start teaching the puppy to walk into a stack, with a big breed you don't want to have to move every leg. That way you don't have to fiddle too much with legs. I would hold the lead with my right hand and use the left to move the legs I need to. Once the legs are placed how you'd like them, I'd swap and hold the lead in my left hand on top of the head- like the first photo in this profile:

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=35683

Then your right hand is free, so you can use food or a toy to keep your puppy interested, like this picture:

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=37372

Once your puppy has the idea, you may not have to use the bait anymore. But while you are training it will give you the free hand to use food to make it an enjoyable experience.

I hope this makes sense and good luck!

Thanks for doing the results love being able to scroll through rather than open each result individually. The Gordon Setter Results for bitches aren't correct on the website (i assume they'll be updated, there was an error with the challenge certificate yesterday) BCC & RUBOB was the bitch Ch Drumdaroch Insatiable (AI) who is owned by M & M Nicol who lives with and handled by our family. Was a fun, but long hot day!!

GORDON SETTER

CLASS: 3 Puppy Dog

Best Puppy of Breed - Winner 1178 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

DEVERON ANOTHER THING COMING(AI) (3100276116)

Breed - 1 1178 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

DEVERON ANOTHER THING COMING(AI) (3100276116)

Breed - 2 1179 MR F HOGAN & MRS K HOGAN WYEE NSW 2259

TARAM TALISIA REIGN OFIRE (2100367441)

CLASS: 3A Puppy Bitch

Breed - 1 1186 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

DEVERON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER(AI) (3100276115)

CLASS: 4A Junior Bitch

Breed - 1 1187 MR F HOGAN & MRS K HOGAN WYEE NSW 2259

TRISETER CELTIC NARRATIVE (3100266163)

Challenge - Runner Up 1187 MR F HOGAN & MRS K HOGAN WYEE NSW 2259

TRISETER CELTIC NARRATIVE (3100266163)

CLASS: 5 Intermediate Dog

Breed - 1 1180 MR F HOGAN & MRS K HOGAN WYEE NSW 2259

CH. TRISETER CELTIC LOCH (3100241375)

CLASS: 10 Australian Bred Dog

Breed - 1 1181 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON & MISS M BRIGGS GISBORNE VIC 3437

SUP.CH. DEVERON AMAZINGLY EASY (3100200530)

Challenge - Runner Up 1181 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON & MISS M BRIGGS GISBORNE VIC 3437

SUP.CH. DEVERON AMAZINGLY EASY (3100200530)

CLASS: 11 Open Dog

Best of Breed - Winner 1183 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

CH. DEVERON EASIER SAID THAN DONE (3100200529)

Breed - 1 1183 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

CH. DEVERON EASIER SAID THAN DONE (3100200529)

Challenge - Winner 1183 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

CH. DEVERON EASIER SAID THAN DONE (3100200529)

Breed - 2 1184 MRS M MACCORMICK GROSE VALE NSW 2753

SUP.CH. CLANSET HOT SHOT (2100219475)

CLASS: 11A Open Bitch

Breed - 1 1189 MRS M BULMER & MR M NICOL BARGO NSW 2574

CH. DRUMDAROCH INSATIABLE(AI) (3100172051)

Best of Breed - Runner Up 1188 DR L BEER & MR M NORTON GISBORNE VIC 3437

GRAND. CH. DEVERON DARK SKIES (3100160361)

I thought the Labrador was gorgeous! The way he got around the group ring was impressive (haven't watched BIS yet). I'm not normally a labrador person but he really grabbed me.

English Setter Association of Victoria

Mr R Ennis (USA)

EST EXHIBIT Ch. Bridgewood Mile High (D) owned by Peter Harper, Darren Bowey and Bev Watt.

RUNNER UP TO BIS AND BEST OPPOSITE SEX IN SHOW CH. Eireannmada Corpus Christi (B) owned by Greg Browne and Dee Jones.

Reserve Dog CC Gr.Ch. Ballymore Double Impact (IMP NZ) owned by Tracie Edwards.

Reserve Bitch CC & BEST INTERMEDIATE IN SHOW Bridgewood Any Time At All owned by Darren Bowey.

Best In Show ISCV 2012

Judge Mrs Sandra Novocin ("Santera" USA)

Ch Martinridge Flirtatious (G Browne & B Martin)

Runner Up In Show

Grand Ch Pendoric Perfect Angel (Hearn & Baker)

Dog Challenge

Ch Brodruggan Rogue Trader

Reserve Dog Challenge

Grd Ch Tullane Tempranillo

Full results on the ISCV facebook page

Gordon Setter Club

Judge Mr R Ennis (USA)- entry 41

DCC & RUBIS- Sup Ch Clanset Hot Shot

RDCC- Ch Goango Black Boss (Imp FIN)

BCC & BIS- Ch Drumdaroch Insatiable (AI)

RBCC- Gd Ch Deveron Dark Skies

It was a fantastic trip down to Victoria for us, winning both challenges and even more exciting my 8 year old niece took Emma in for BIS and beat me- she does such a great job! This was the second year in a row that Emma has won BIS at this show.

For full results go to the Gordon Setter Club of Victoria facebook page

Cavaliers can and do change for up to 2 years. I'd never keep a Setter puppy with an undershot mouth, they don't ever get better. However we had a Cav bitch that was fine as a baby and then went undershot and it didn't come good until about 18 months. We didn't show our Cav until her mouth righted itself, we had other dogs to show so we left her at home until it came good.

I think you'll find that the problems at Bulla were from entries being sent snail mail that didn't arrive.