JoeK Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Nobody stated a dog without early imprinting would not make it in to a suitable candidate. by completing early imprinting and socialisation you are increasing your chances of the pup developing in to a suitable candidate for service dog training. It also gives the breeder a chance to assess the litters development and response to stress. Studies have proven litters exposed to imprinting and socialisation in the first 8 weeks are healthier and have a greater resistance to stress than litters which have not received any early imprinting and socialisation. As you are "interested" in this area I suggest you do some research to further your knowledge. Mr Jeff sorry, you state a questioning of suitability without the imprint and somebody elses say too perhaps the chance of a good working material without the imprint is maybe blown which this gives the readers here impression of the imprint must be done. To confirm study is difficult, because each pup and each litter is not a clone not identical in trait. So, you do the imprint on some litter or some pups and thinking wonderfil, but you cant undo the imprint and try the same pups without one for seeing difference. Maybe the imprint pups have a nice gene you know, maybe no imprint is blaming for the outcome pups with a poor gene, dog is no good a worker because it had no imprint before 8 weeks, pffff I say this is bull yes?. A pup with the genes makes no difference, but you can find all this imprint is done to get dogs of borderline genes to scrape into working maybe? Edit for better english, thanks Joe Edited March 10, 2011 by JoeK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) JoeK. I am finding it hard to follow your posts. Mr Jeff sorry, you state a questioning of suitability without the imprint and somebody elses say too perhaps the chance of a good working material without the imprint is maybe blown which this gives the readers here impression of the imprint must be done. Must imprinting be done on working litters? well that is up to the breeder. But if they want to increase there chances of breeding and raising suitable prospects for service work then they should be completing early imprinting and socialization. pffff I say this is bull yes?. A pup with the genes makes no difference, but you can find all this imprint is done to get dogs of borderline genes to scrape into working maybe? You can refer to it however you like, but you are up against the likes of Steven Lindsay and his bio sensor program. It has nothing to do with scraping genetically unsound dogs through the training and selection process for service work. Edited March 10, 2011 by Jeff Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) JoeK. I am finding it hard to follow your posts. Mr Jeff sorry, you state a questioning of suitability without the imprint and somebody elses say too perhaps the chance of a good working material without the imprint is maybe blown which this gives the readers here impression of the imprint must be done. Must imprinting be done on working litters? well that is up to the breeder. But if they want to increase there chances of breeding and raising suitable prospects for service work then they should be completing early imprinting and socialization. pffff I say this is bull yes?. A pup with the genes makes no difference, but you can find all this imprint is done to get dogs of borderline genes to scrape into working maybe? You can refer to it however you like, but you are up against the likes of Steven Lindsay and his bio sensor program. It has nothing to do with scraping genetically unsound dogs through the training and selection process for service work. Mr Jeff, excuse me please for lack of english, practice makes perfect like training yes?. I dont ignor benefits of early stimulation is not what I give my opinion. My opinion is the thinking because this pups maybe not have stimulation from born to 8 weeks, is something to worry about and thinking not to buy from this litter because of no stimulation making the the litter all duds. I am saying (my opinion) if the litter is good genes and sound that way stimulation or not, will make good working prospect doesn't matter. I would not say because no stimulation to avoid litter, my opinion is bull. One of my very best and beautiful working Shepherd had no training till 14 months, nothing but sit for a treat, no stimulation, but high trial 7 times in SchH3, was magnifisent animal when training done because of the good genes he has for working. Joe PS I say if good in the genes not to run away from the litter and panic because of maybe no stimulation, hope you understand my point please. Edited March 10, 2011 by JoeK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 JoeK, I get what you are saying, sometimes dogs just "have it" even with no work as babies, Jeff I agree it does give them a better chance if work is done as bubs... you are both correct... Pups so far all look like they have what it takes, they will be leaving next week for working homes, thank you to all who replied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 JoeK, I get what you are saying, sometimes dogs just "have it" even with no work as babies, Jeff I agree it does give them a better chance if work is done as bubs... you are both correct...Pups so far all look like they have what it takes, they will be leaving next week for working homes, thank you to all who replied. Yes, thank you. I too dont say Mr Jeff is wrong, but yes, if the pups have the genes and of corse the drive, they will be working ok as grown up dogs, no worries. Good to say homes have been found for the little devils and my wishes for there future working and thanks for understanding Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 mmmhmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 mmmhmmm and what does mmmmhmmmm mean Jeff??? (not being nasty just geniunely curious??) and is it in response to my post or JoeK's post?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 mmmhmmm and what does mmmmhmmmm mean Jeff??? (not being nasty just geniunely curious??) and is it in response to my post or JoeK's post?? JoeK's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 mmmhmmm and what does mmmmhmmmm mean Jeff??? (not being nasty just geniunely curious??) and is it in response to my post or JoeK's post?? JoeK's... cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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