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http://www.victimsofbsl.com/tango.htm

Tango's story.

Six long years of fighting for Tango's freedom.

I would like to wish John and kylie the best of luck in the Supeme Court in the morning.

tybrax.

No one is after your vote. It is fixed and in denial.

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No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.

For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

What are the none fighting lines? Wow!! my boy was Jeep tag.........lol

Maybe you can give the name of the first fighting dog imported in Aus...

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.

For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Total crap. You don't know anything about them. Dogs were bred to fight, but bred to be people safe. Fighting other dogs doesn't equate to attacks on people, never has, never will.

No medium to large sized dog should be owned by idiots.

There has never been a fatal attack by a pitbull in Aust. What does that tell you?

Pitbulls are way down the attack list stats, even when they are numerically adjusted.

Be frightened of cattle dogs, german shepherds, labradors, they are way ahead of pitbulls.

Do you research before posting your feelings disguised as fact, and fact shaped by skewed media propaganda.

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Absolutely disgusting Emailing a reporter tybrax

Nothing has changed, SBT123 you are so wrong.

Many dogs that have been siezed in Vic, NSW, have been handed back to there owners.

tybrax

I'm talking about NSW, where the BA's are predominately Dogs NSW judges or breeders.

You have claimed for the last however many years that the law is fraudulant, yet no one has challenged it. If that were the case and they'd been successfull, every tom dick and harry with a Pit Bull would follow suit.

Now there's talk on a public forum of falsifying papers ( they would have to be ANKC papers ) to prove to rangers that people own a certain breed. Now that really is fraudulant, but for Pit Bull owners, that doesn't seem to matter, it's just a means to an end, that threatens to dump every ANKC Bull Breed in the same basket.

It's about time the Pit Bull owners, changed tact because 4 years on, nothing has changed in this state and the threats of " your dogs will be next " is still the number one catch cry.

Dogs NSW judges/breeders are not experts, there are no judges in Australia qualified to id an APBT. As for pit bull thats a mixture of breeds so they must be

pretty good to id a pit bull.

There are know Amstaff judge's in Aus all you have is your all breeds judges, who have never owned the breed,judged the breed as the breed is not recognised.

The law is fraudulent, and there documentation is false and has been proven many times.

People have challenge the law and they have had there dogs returned the last two cases being NSW and that was this year, l might add.

l hardly post any cases on here anymore because there are to many pro BSL people on here!!

your comment "your dogs will be next is still the no.1 catch cry" Come on you made a statement that your dogs are safe you made a deal with the ANKC.

Yep and lets send the pit bull and apbt to the slaughter. l don't agree with papers been falsified,but like others have said it's to save there breed so be it.

Of course it's fraudulent, but so is the law.

Nothing has changed, SBT123 you are so wrong.

Many dogs that have been siezed in Vic, NSW, have been handed back to there owners.

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for a breed they claim doesn't exist.

This is were the law is fraudulent. So they falsify the documents to state your dog is a pit bull they,don't have a clue.

So how can they legislate a law thats based on fraud?????

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APBTs and ASTs are the same breed. If the RSPCA want to seize the dog they should go to the media or better still video and place on Youtube and expose the farce which is BSL. Either way a temperment test for a cross could be arranged in NSW I thought. No DNA test or measurements can tell the breed of a dog. I'm appalled the obedience club wouldn't let them join. They do the right thing and this is their reward. BSL isn't about controlling dogs, it's about controlling people through their dogs.

APBTS are a restricted breed which must be muzzled in public. Add insurance/liability issues and you might have more sympathy for their position.

APBTs and ASTs are NOT the same breed in the eyes of the law. Of course if you have no papers to prove your dog is an AST, you're in a world of hurt.

I'd suggest these people talk to their council and arrange a temperament test.

If you need a piece of paper to tell the difference, that says it all.

If everything hinges on a piece of paper, it's not difficult to arrange an adequate piece of paper. We are only dealing with box tickers anyway

You got that right, that's all they are box tickers.

We should be exerting our energies into fighting BSL.

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THEY tried everything but there was nothing anyone could do to save Mini Mouse.

The two-year-old lhasa-apso-maltese-cross died yesterday after she was she was mauled by a mastiff-cross in Highland Park on Monday.

The unregistered mastiff jumped over its 1.8m fence and 'ripped apart' Mini as she was being taken for a walk along Quigan Terrace about 5pm.

"It was horrendous, you could see her stomach and all her arteries," said her owner, Jennifer Carroll.

Mini was rushed to the local vet and underwent surgery for her horrific injuries and began to improve while hooked up to a 'doggy drip'.

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She was set to be released yesterday afternoon but suffered complications as infection took hold and died.

Jennifer's husband John Carroll said it was like losing a family member.

"She's going to be badly missed around here. She slept on our bed every night," he said.

The mastiff was caught after the attack and is being held at the council pound as its investigates the matter.

"Animal management staff are currently finalising their investigations into the incident and their findings will determine how the council proceeds in this matter," said a council spokesman.

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"Its not about banning vicious dogs CarlT, Any dog can be vicious, its about socializng the dog with other other dogs and people and providing it with excercise and training to avoid this type of problem, The dog relies on the owners for everything and in any situation similair to this the owner should be punished as they have failed as a responsible dog owner and aswell as that given a bad name for the rest of large breed dog owners. "

Mike

The spokesman refused to reveal what penalties the owners could face, saying it would hinder their investigation by possibly scaring them away.

The Carrolls said they wanted to see the mastiff's owners brought to justice.

Mr Carroll is calling on the State Government to introduce tougher laws that would see dog owners accountable for their animals' actions.

He said dogs such as mastiffs could be lethal weapons and needed to be treated as such.

"They need to tighten up the laws and people need to be responsible for their animals," he said.

Mr Carroll said it took two men and a garden hose to pry the mastiff off Mini during the attack.

"It was like a horror movie where you see something get brutalised," he said.

"But it was was real life and there were kids watching."

Andrew Howe, who helped Mr Carroll rescue Mini from the mastiff, was also bitten by the dog and has had to take time off work.

The Bulletin visited the home where the mastiff was believed to be from to speak with its owners yesterday but no one answered the door.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/0...coast-news.html

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Licensing will not work.

Local Gold Coast paper The Sun

17.2.2010.

Jessica Elder.

Non -breeders need to get the snip.

People who do not want theirs pets to breed but do not have them desexed have been branded

"animail killers" by a Gold Coast City Councillor.

Dog lover Cr Jan Grew said she was disgusted by the lazy nature of many city's pet owners.

"What happens to unwanted pets? they get killed," she said.

"Where talking about an innocent animal on the vets slab being given a lethal injection.

"If you don't intend to breed you dog and cat then the only responsible course of action is to have it desexed.

"Its no excuse to say 'oh but another dog jumped into my yard' it doesn't matter -its the owners responsibility.

The AWL has a policy against euthanasia, but the numbers of animals surrendered and found on the streets is

getting out of control. If owners were more resposible we would not have these problems.

The Council will implement new breeder regulations in April. The new rules will mean anyone wanting thier pet

to have a litter will be forced to pay $300.00 plus for a breeder's license. Compulsory desexing is not included

in the new Local law.

Cr Grew said that if desexing was not enforced the new rules would mean nothing.

Animal Control Officer Geoff Irwin admitted the new licensing rules were not stringently enforceable and

would be hard to POLICE.

"To track down the owners breeding without a permit,we would have to investigate individual matters

before issuing a show cause notice," he said.

View the proposed regulations at goldcoast.qld.gov.au from next month.

some of you guys are realy funny.

for starters bsl helps no one . you all have an opinion on wheather it should or shouldnt be around and those of you that agree with it to a certain point either know very little about the dogs that are banned hell some of you cant even spell their names. good to see youve done some heavy research.

none of the dogs banned are anyworse than any of the dogs we already have here legally, can no one even grasp that point?

personally i am fond of each and every banned breed on the list, why? mainly because there is nothing wrong with any of them. alot of them are the very best for the role they were bred for.

personally im a huge fan of the doggo, but i would never own one. i happen to be fortunate to know a fella from argentina who is a close personal friend of the Nores family who were responsible generations ago for starting the breed, they are a pack hunting dog and must be worked constantly as they are full of energy, wouldnt suit my lifestyle, but why cant a pro boar hunter have a choice at owning the greatest animal around for the job?

Apbt is where it is today here with some because it IS banned , for some its a status or a symbol, and to others its a penis enlarger. main reason being that its banned so they must be "bad ass". if they were legal im sure it would be very different.

i dont like knocking anyones opinions on anything but it realy bothers me when people have so much to say about something they know so little about.

bulldogs4eva, thanks for your posts, have got my sanity back [for now atleast!]

tybrax

Update

http://www.saveontariodogs.com/

tybrax

Great news Mantis, hugs for Kenny.

tybrax

Local Gold Coast paper The Sun

17.2.2010.

Jessica Elder.

Non -breeders need to get the snip.

People who do not want theirs pets to breed but do not have them desexed have been branded

"animail killers" by a Gold Coast City Councillor.

Dog lover Cr Jan Grew said she was disgusted by the lazy nature of many city's pet owners.

"What happens to unwanted pets? they get killed," she said.

"Where talking about an innocent animal on the vets slab being given a lethal injection.

"If you don't intend to breed you dog and cat then the only responsible course of action is to have it desexed.

"Its no excuse to say 'oh but another dog jumped into my yard' it doesn't matter -its the owners responsibility.

The AWL has a policy against euthanasia, but the numbers of animals surrendered and found on the streets is

getting out of control. If owners were more resposible we would not have these problems.

The Council will implement new breeder regulations in April. The new rules will mean anyone wanting thier pet

to have a litter will be forced to pay $300.00 plus for a breeder's license. Compulsory desexing is not included

in the new Local law.

Cr Grew said that if desexing was not enforced the new rules would mean nothing.

Animal Control Officer Geoff Irwin admitted the new licensing rules were not stringently enforceable and

would be hard to POLICE.

"To track down the owners breeding without a permit,we would have to investigate individual matters

before issuing a show cause notice," he said.

View the proposed regulations at goldcoast.qld.gov.au from next month.

tybrax

Why on earth would anyone WANT a DA dog? Purposefully bred DA dogs certainly don't belong in an urban environment.

Rubbish!!

Good luck Kenny, fingers crossed Mantis l hope all goes well.

tybrax

The dogs in question have been surrendered.

tybrax

These dogs should of being destroyed!!

tybrax

Thanks Geo will keep you informed.

1st dog is a boxer cross.

Dogs leave pony for dead, and have the law on side

TAHNAE GOLDSWORTHY

17 Feb, 2010 11:37 AM

FRIDAY, February 5, was a day that “couldn’t get any worse” for Bargo resident Rachelle Corfield.

At 9am, neighbour Lyn Wren let her animals out only to find the paddock across the road and its miniature ponies owned by Mrs Corfield were under attack.

“I let my animals out and saw two dogs chasing the stallion,” she said.

“I ran across to chase them and that didn’t work so I ran back and got my husband who chased them away.

“Then I noticed the dogs were in the long grass and I realised there were more ponies in there.”

Arriving on the scene after being notified by neighbours Mrs Corfield said there were two dogs, what looked to be a “great Dane as big as one of my ponies” and another “tall back one”.

“We couldn’t save her [thepony].

“They had torn her hock joints and nearly ripped one ear off,” Mrs Corfield said.

“Torn open to the bone with ligaments all out.”

With only a 15 per cent chance of survival according to veterinarians from Cobbitty University, Mrs Corfield decided it was better to put the one-yearold pony down.

“The dogs even came back while we were sitting here trying to save this little one and it tried to drag the carcass of the white pony off,” Mrs Corfield said.

After following the dogs through the back of the paddock, they claimed they saw the dogs jump into a backyard. Visiting the property owners with a ranger from

the Wollondilly Development Services Section, Mrs Corfield asked the pair for their details with the knowledge that enormous vet bills were on the horizon.

According to Mrs Corfield they simply said, “Don’t

come around here telling us your problems.”

With the dogs in the yard at the time, blood smeared on their muzzles, Mrs Corfield expected action to be taken.

To her amazement, the Companion Animals Act states that after an attack is witnessed and the incident is investigated by Council’s officer, Council has no power to seize the dog if the attacking dogs have been adequately secured on land occupied

Council will then issue the dog owner with a notice of the intention to declare the dog dangerous, which the owner has seven days to appeal.

Once a dog is declared dangerous it needs to be kept in accordance with the control requirements for Dangerous Dogs under the Act that specify a certain type of enclosure the dogs must be kept in and the manner in which the dogs must be controlled when outside of the enclosure.

In these cases Council can issue a fine of $550 per dog for the attack, but this matter is still under investigation.

While a fine is a possibility that may give some satisfaction to Mrs Corfield, she simply cannot believe the law protects the animals that tore hers apart.

“The law protects the dog and the dog owner,” she said.

“I can’t believe that they have to re-offend to do something.

“It’s the same fine as if they were trotting down the street unleashed.”

However, Mrs Corfield was even more to find out that if the victim was a child, and not one of her miniature ponies, the council action would remain the same. Bargo resident Leanne Hancock said it has already happened in the two days prior to the pony attack.

“Two kids were attacked on their way to school,” she

said.

“A mum walking with her dog and three little girls had

dogs attack them.”

http://bowral.yourguide.com.au/news/local/...spx?storypage=1

Interesting to see the dog described as "American Staffordshire"

Hopefully this means the RSPCA might not kill the poor bugger once they've finished with him for PR purposes.

I agree. I hope you're right.

Signed