Steve

Yep thats it .

Thanks - I went to their website etc but couldnt see where they were located - good now

MMMMM Thanks - I dont do facebook

Anyone know where Fresh Start rescue are located ?

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/05/59966.htm SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - An outraged pet owner sued a veterinary office, claiming it extorted her by criminally reporting her for "animal cruelty" because she could not afford to pay $10,000 for an operation on her injured dog, Mojo.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Karen Kelly sued Advanced Critical Care & Internal Medicine (ACCIM); Orange County Veterinary Specialists; Saint Jude Veterinary Enterprises; and veterinarians John Michael Walters, Andrea Jane McDooling, Dayna Zane and Ravi Seshadri, in Orange County Superior Court.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "On July 31, 2011, plaintiff Kelly's dog, Mojo, was hit and dragged under a car, and since it was after business hours, plaintiff immediately rushed Mojo to defendant, ACCIM, as they were a 24-hour veterinary center," Kelly says in her complaint.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> It continues: "Plaintiff was immediately asked to sign an estimate & authorization for services, which she did, and the defendants, and each of them, started preliminary diagnosis.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "Plaintiff was thereafter told by defendants, and each of them, that they needed $10,000 for immediate surgery to save Mojo's life, but that there was no guarantee that Mojo would survive the surgery, and plaintiff would still be liable for the surgery.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "Plaintiff advised the defendants, and each of them, that she did not have $10,000, whereupon said defendants asked plaintiff's friend who was with her if she had $10,000 to loan plaintiff. She did not. Needless to say, plaintiff felt that she was under duress, and was emotionally distressed."<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Kelly claims that a friend in the Los Angeles Police Department tried to help her out by applying for credit with the center, but it refused him credit. She called several other friends, none of whom could afford to loan her $10,000.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Kelly says she asked the vets if she could go home and write a check, but they refused to let her leave because "they were afraid that plaintiff would abandon the dog and not come back."<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> She claims the vets also refused to let her leave Mojo there overnight and take him to her primary vet the next morning.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> The vets "gave her three options as follows: (1) put the dog to sleep; (2) pay the $10,000 now; or (3) keep the dog in critical care overnight which would cost approximately $1,500 in addition to what the defendants were going to charge plaintiff for what they had already done, which was in the sum of $1,308.75," Kelly says in the lawsuit.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "To add to the outrageous conduct by the defendants, and each of them, said defendants told plaintiff that if she insisted on taking her dog home, that she would have to sign a form that it was against their medical advice, and that they were going to report her to the authorities for 'animal cruelty,' which is a crime."<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> While she was still at the center, Kelly says, she got a phone call from Orange County animal control, informing her that the vets had reported her and that animal control would send someone to her house the next day to investigate her.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "She was told further than she could be fined, imprisoned, or both, if she was found guilty of the charge," the complaint states.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "Needless to say, being accused of a possible crime on top of everything else that was going on, gave plaintiff severe emotional distress.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> "On top of that, since plaintiff did not have the funds to pay the bill that she was presented with, in the sum of $1,308.75, for the alleged services that Mojo had already received, she was required to and forced to sign an agreement to pay said amount in full the very next day, or she would be turned over to collections. Plaintiff signed the agreement under severe duress, as that was the only way that she could get her dog back, even though she knew that she would not be able to pay the entire amount in full by the following day," the complaint states.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Kelly says she got Mojo back and never paid the bill. She claims that the center sent one notice demanding payment, then made good on its threat to report her to a collections service, which stressed her out even more.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Animal control opened a case against her, but dropped it when she explained the situation, Kelly says in the complaint.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> She claims "that many people have suffered the same fate at the hands of the defendants, and each of them, and accordingly, this complaint will benefit society as a whole, so that these defendants will not continue to engage in such outrageous behavior."<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> Kelly seeks $1 million in general and special damages plus punitive damages for civil extortion and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.<br style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, serif; line-height: 17.421875px;"> She is represented by Barry I. Besser, of Orange.

'Scuse me? I guess you aren't a member of Dogs Victoria, which would explain why you haven't seen the posts on the DV Facebook page or the DV website asking for DV members to read and respond to the second draft review of the Code of Practice. Any input you may care to offer would be welcome. Actually I am a member of Vicdogs and I dont use facebook and hadnt noticed the call for responses on the website - still cant find what their responses were to the fist draft or which way they will be going in their final response - perhaps you could direct me to it?

That sounds sensible ..... Whippets and Staffords are notorious escape artists and as much as it pains me, if one comes into care, it doesn't leave. There are so many dogs out there that don't have issues and need help, there's no point wasting precious resources, potentially giving rescue a bad name and breaking the hearts of a new family. I rehomed one that I thought was going to the right place, that being an inner city home with no yard, which meant no fences to jump. This one decided to squeeze through less than 10cm security bars on a window open a fraction and bugger off down a main road. Never again we thought we had done wonders with our fence raised it 8ft put other fencing on top at a slight angle .All good he stayed in the yard then heard a noise he was in the front put him back in the back yard tied him up raised the fences and all good then NO SOUND this time he was over cleanly .... Ive been in touch with the rescue and some professionals and they are taking over sadly while not only dealing with the issues the grief and the heartache its people who begin to judge your methods and decisions that get into your head with the guilt tripping that make these times even harder.Most of us know the answers but when it doesn"t seem fair we look for excuses but as the days turn into weeks and you try everything even knowing the outcome and making the hard choices it doesn"t make it any easier .... Then you are criticised blamed and continue to live with the decision . I too had the same thoughts sometimes people can say all the right things but with time we all make mistakes or slip up .I was so angy at the person who left him at the pound they must have known these things and besides not giving a rats about their dog they didn"t give a rats about someone else going through it .While everyone says but you"ve given him a home and shown him what love is etc it doesn"t take the pain away Except many people who leave their dog at a pound expect that it wont go to another home. Lots of people take their dog to a pound with the expectation it will be put to sleep without the high vet costs etc. Its why there is such a huge need to assess dogs that come through and why foster carers are so important to be able to assess these things, health issues and temperament issues, to be honest and for the rescue group to do what is best for the dog and any family which may take them .The concept of no kill is all well and good until you have to live with a nightmare.

I agree with this - in fact in some states its illegal to so.

Ha Steve, maybe not, there was a little terrier visiting our pottery group last week who had a poly-stick so he obviously worked out how to get out. If you dont have two - crossing at the front they work out how to go over or under but with the V shape Ive never heard of one beating it.

Thank you Christina and I agree but just as Vicdogs have not uttered a word about proposed changes to the codes in Victoria SAdogs are being dropkicks - end result large scale commercial kennels are advantaged and small hobby breeders are forced out.

Agree! Works here they cant go over, through or under - usually takes about 6 weeks and then they don't try again.

No matter what the skin problem its about the dog's immune system and whilst you may be able to pin point what you think is the cause a dog with a healthy immune system wont get itchy. So whilst you look at ways to improve an immune system skin conditions even minor eruptions which only last a minute need to be noted on the pedigree and taken into account when selecting dogs for a breeding program. You may see only one dog in a line with a skin issue but another with another possible immune related condition and its all part of joining the dots . We don't want to be breeding dogs which have immune system issues any more than we want to be breeding dogs that go blind and we need to use science and pedigree analysis to pinpoint those dogs which shouldn't be used in a breeding program.

the quickest easiest and cheapest way is a yolk made from poly pipe

Im happy that you still get to live the way we all used to and I hope you never get to a point where people need be afraid to leave their homes in fear of off leash dogs - but take a good look in other areas in hundreds of threads here - its a world gone mad. In your community if one of the dogs or the people were not user friendly the community would deal with it as was the case when I was younger - for many its having to be dealt with by staying home, carrying a big stick etc. and it makes them fearful of any dog they see off leash in order to be sure they and their dogs are safe.

How does anyone know you and your dog are different to any other dog or any other person when they see your dog off leash? If I saw you walking your dog off leash I would take steps to do everything I could to avoid you and your dog and the area you were walking in - so you get to do what you like in that area and the rest of us don't ? How does anyone seeing you walk your dog off leash understand that you are different to them and that they shouldn't also walk their dog off leash in this area ? I have a repsonsibility to keep my dogs and my family safe and a dog off leash is a risk which I shouldn't have to consider - I cant afford to take your word for it that your dog is not going to hurt me or them because the consequences are too great and you already prove you are a high risk because you dont follow the law and could care less for other people and their dogs. And no Im not for people being penalised or having their rights removed because some dont do the right thing - thats the whole point. I can no longer legally take my dog places and do all I used to be able to do with my dog because people like you dont follow the law and more and more laws are introduced. I have dogs and I love them - couldn't live without them but I don't like your dogs and I dont want to have to be manipulated into where I go and what I do by people who think they have more rights than me to free enjoyment of my community. Say what you want, try and justify it all you want - fact is unless its a designated off leash area its against the law and if everyone had followed laws about keeping their dogs restrained we would never have heard of BSL.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/society-and-culture/bowled-over-by-rude-dog-owners-20100130-n4fz.html Sorry cant work out how to get rid of the add but this article addresses this issue too. Let's start by getting one thing straight. I don't hate dogs - it's just the current breed of dog owners I can't stand. The other day we were enjoying a morning stroll down a busy shopping strip. Suddenly, like a crazed bat out of hell, a border collie came hurtling down the footpath, seemingly unaccompanied by any sane or responsible owner. Credit where credit's due, the dog did stop at the pedestrian lights, drawing a look of surprise from some people and a smug smile of adoration from its owners who were cycling down the street. That's right, riding their bikes on a parallel, but completely separate, path some three or four metres away. The lights eventually changed, the owners gave those around them a self-satisfied smile and, with a whistle, they were off again. The dog had to run pretty fast to keep up with its masters, zig-zagging along the busy pavement, brushing past prams containing sleeping babies, pushing its way around the odd wheelchair, its desperation to keep up with its owners paramount in its mind. Having your dog off its lead seems to be an emerging trend around our neighbourhood. Oh no, the owners are saying to us, you can't oppress my dog with all your rules and your leads. Advertisement It would seem that letting your dog run free is secret code for ''look at how special I am - my dog totally idolises me''. It is as if, by way of extension, we, too, should realise these people's amazing leadership qualities and general greatness, as if they had been democratically voted into this position of power by a vast audience of intelligent people, rather than exalted to this spot by one, flea-infested and, let's face it, smelly canine. What I don't get about having your dog off-lead is why, if you love your dog as much as you purport to do, you would put it at increased risk of being hit by a car or getting lost. Research last year from the University of British Columbia put the intelligence of dogs on par with the average two-year-old child. This is in itself pretty impressive, but I don't let my two-year-old wander the streets, trusting that they have a full grasp of the complexities of our road rules. As I love and want to protect my children, I tend to hold their hand as we cross roads or confine them to the safety of a pram. Letting them have free rein amid unpredictable traffic would probably have people questioning my capacity as a parent, not marvelling at how relaxed and casual I am. Our little brush with the canine running of the Stawell Gift was just one of many occasions recently when we have been bothered by rogue dogs. Lately, it seems that every time we are picnicking in the park or playing in the playground some exuberant mutt comes to spoil the party, trampling over the food and pushing over the children. Invariably, rather than apologise to us or chastise the animal, the owner will look at the cowering children and answer my glare with a ''Don't worry, she's very friendly'', the subtext of which is ''Stop being an uptight cow and foisting your fears on to your children''. The thing is, though, I actually want my children to have a mistrust of dogs. A bit of healthy apprehension is well founded. Earlier this week, a report from the Dog Attack Register revealed an average of eight reported dog attacks each day in NSW alone. In Victoria, it is estimated that there are about nine attacks a day. And that's the reported attacks, not the odd nip here or there. And guess what? Almost all the owners of those dogs said that their dogs were friendly too. Yes, I know. The dogs are not to blame and not all dog owners are selfish. But some are and I'm sick of being made to feel like it's my problem if I'm not overjoyed by the overly affectionate attention of your dog. ''Oh he likes you,'' the owner will say as their dog jumps up, licks your face and makes the occasional dive for your crotch. As an experiment, let's try replacing the word ''dog'' with the word ''uncle'' in that last sentence and see how you'd feel about it if I just shrugged my shoulders and said, ''Oh Uncle Chester, you rascal''. So to all you dog owners I say, enough of the crap - and I'm not talking about what you leave on the footpath. Letting your dog roam the streets unrestrained isn't a mark of how brilliantly obedient they are or how great you must be. Instead, it is a threat to public safety, your dog's wellbeing and my personal space. As Ann Landers implored: "Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful." Sarah McKenzie is a freelance writer.

Since when do you get to use public land illegally? Try growing dope or doing a wee where people can see you ,maybe you'd like to dump some rubbish, assault someone, steal something? You wouldn't have a clue who you are inconveniencing.

For me its - no need to ask because the answer is clear before I take the dog home.

Perfect example of how you cant speak logically with illogical people and why here on dogz we constantly get a new thread about the kind of crap responsible dog owners and non dog owners have to put up with if they want to move around their own neighbourhood and the councils who allow it and don't fine people should be named and shamed until they do. Just because everyone else breaks the law its O.K.? Why don't we all just pick another law and all go ahaed and break it - you sound just as the idiots sounded who were being charged for drag racing who said everyone else does it around here and were surprised when they kill some off and terrorise the neighbourhood and they have to comply with the law - I mean they werent hurting anyone were they? Do you know how many of us are too afraid to take our dogs for a walk, move around our neighbourhoods and are virtually housebound because of this attitude? Yeah Yeah everyone who does it have dogs that are different , they are well trained and always under control even when off leash - crap. Do you know how many of us avoid you when we see you up ahead or we know you use a certain area - how many of us cant enjoy areas or activities we have a right to because you decide you have more rights and you are above the law? Why don't we let school kids ride their skate boards on a footpath and see how many old people and pedestrians they can skittle while we are at it ? Ive No doubt they would also say "everyone else does it - people around here expect it so they dont walk here because they know it where skateboarders have taken over at certain times of the day ! Selfish disgraceful behaviour and the fact that you can come here and attempt to defend the fact that you do it is incredible. Keep your dogs on leash or keep them at home. Turning a blind eye when its not hurting anyone - how do you know who its hurting ? If people have to change their route, plans, whether they walk their own dogs or live frightened to go out of their own yard or play kick to kick or cricket in a public park how would you know ? Just because they don't happen to be there when there's a bunch of people breaking the law with their dogs running free doesn't mean they aren't affected by it.

No. It is irrelevant how well behaved your dog is. It is against the law, yet you frequently do it? It's not acceptable even if you have the most perfectly behaved dog in the world. Why can't people understand this? It's has no effect on you so why would you seek to deny me what I feel is a basic requirement for both myself and my dog? I go to great lengths to make sure my dog is well socialised, well behaved and well trained. Each to their own but, having a dog restrained continually does not in any way fit into my philosophies of owning a dog. Have you ever exceeded the speed limit while running late to work? Not quite come to a complete stop at a stop sign? Driven a car while tired? Paid a tradesman cash? Not worn a helmet on a push bike? Stayed a little bit to long in a times car park? Etc etc It does have an effect on other people and its against the law - if you dont like the idea of a dog being on leash then do what I did buy a property where they can run free without having to totally disregard the law and other people's right to free use of public places. Problem is you all think you have wonderful control and there is no risk to anyone else or their dogs - its like parents who think their kids are perfect and allow them to run wild and annoy others - its disgraceful.

Well I think you should be dobbed in if you have your dog off lead and in future I will endeavor to see everyone who does it fined . I cant understand why you would put your dog in that position and completely disregard other people and their dogs. It because people dont follow the law in the belief that their dogs should be somehow exempt is why we cant take our dogs where we used to and why more and more laws are made - sorry I dont get why you think its O.K. to do this.

Yep me too. makes me pretty cranky when I cant go for a walk without having to deal with dogs off leash and owners who seem to have no concept of the law or how what their dogs do impact on my ability to enjoy being in a public place. We were at a local picnic area with my grandkids sitting on a blanket - feeding the ducks spreading the food and drinks out and some idiot lets a pair of boxers off leash - they come racing at us full boar and we grab the kids - jumped all over the blanket trashed our food and drinks and all the owner can say is - they are friendly, they wouldn't hurt them - one grand kid had a scratch right down one arm where the dog pounced on him and the ratbag just keeps walking miles behind where his dogs are trashing the rest of the families in the park. Make more laws and the pond scum take no notice of them and they are never policed anyway.

Again, this question would never need to be asked if this type of thing is spelled out in the contract for sale . Breeders have to explain up front before anything happens regardless of whether its something known to be in the breed or not what will be expected of them and the process if something turns up. They need to list what they will cover and for how long and what the process is if there is an issue - the need for a written vet report is first and foremost because often a puppy buyer will hear something their vet says and mis understand exactly what they are saying re causal issues, the need of a second opinion and who the second opinion will come from, the need for stating who will pay for the vet visits and second opinions, transport to the second opinion vet ,under what conditions the breeder will pay a partial refund , exchange or pay for the repair works etc .If the dog is returned who will pay for it to travel home etc. You cant just front up and say your vet told you something - Ive dealt with two complaints in the last 12 months which were dis proven as soon as the written report from the vets arrived - its not about the owners telling fibs its about them not understanding or not hearing all of what is told to them by the vet. You cant just get one diagnosis and agree to pay thousands of dollars to repair the dog and expect the breeder to cover it without first discussing with the breeder, whether they would pay and under what circumstances they might pay without written reports and without second opinions before you have it all done. You cant expect to get an unlimited time frame on health issues which the breeder will take responsibility for and repay you partial or full purchase price. Even if you look at it as a sale of a non living product you still don't get to say what someone told you was wrong with it, pay to get it fixed and ask for your money to be refunded for an unlimited time frame. The reality is the ONLY things a breeder can realistically guarantee against is a recessive disorder they have tested the pup or the parents for and that the pup is in good health and not incubating a bacteria or virus when it goes home. They can rattle off what their record is , what they score and test for, what they do to try to eliminate risks but when you purchase a dog you take a living being into your home and everything about it can be impacted by its environment, what its exposed to, exercise, diet etc. Just as a woman who is attempting to get pregnant does all she can to be healthy and know what tests she should have to ensure she gives her baby the best chance at life and cannot ever be guaranteed that the child or adult will never get sick or never need an operation nor can a breeder . Puppy buyers need to know before they take the pup home what will and will not be covered and breeders need to be sure every what if is covered. When something happens its coupled with emotional issues which impact on how it all plays out. How we as breeders came to a point where a puppy buyer would even consider that the breeder should take responsibility for things out of their control for an unlimited time even if it is a genetic issue is a whole new topic but the reality is we are here now and we need to ensure that our puppy buyers know before anything does happen. What the breeder should do with the knowledge and how they should react to the news that the dog is ill is also another couple of topics.

Ive never dobbed any one or any dog in but in all honesty Im over it -Seems to me that the situation has become much worse - not sure if its the number of dogs around or the number of aggressive dogs around but I reckon its an owner issue and Im fed up. My son has been bitten in the last week - not enough to see blood but enough to make a bruise through his winter clothing and on Friday my friend and I were walking back to our car and she got skittled by a big dog running ahead of its owner off leash. Scared the daylights out of us and she had grazes everywhere - owner ran off laughing shouting "sorry about that but it was a good show " A- hole - she is 69 years old - real funny. Im over it . Time to dob em in.

Its legal to raffle an animal happens all the time in the bush - There have been horses and cattle and sheep, working dogs are often auctioned too. Its against state CC regs not illegal.