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Help join the search for my missing dogs by signing up as a 'liker' to their facebook page www.facebook.com/Help-Emmy-and-Junior-Come-Home We DESPERATELY miss these guys! Emmy is the old hand and our BABY and junior is the sweetest boy. Please suggest to your friends wherever thay are, we've no idea where our doggies are it might just be the clue we need. They went missing 27 November from 35km North of Longreach on the (Crossmoor) Muttaburra Road. We had moved house that day and had to return to town, leaving them locked in their pen. pn our return on Monday morning, lots of footprints BUT NO DOGS my suspicion is that they headed for town, and someone mayhave picked them up, they could be anywhere by now. My other thought is that they may be on the other side of the river which has since flooded, adn are running around having a ball unbeknowns to how worried we are about them the buggers. Emmy is almost three, large sized Smooth Wiry coat longer down backline, Tan in colour with white chest and legs and greying face. She is super friendly adn a delightful tempered dog. Her right shoulder is heavily scarred. She may still have her wide neck protection collar on. Junior is a boof headed 9 month old dog pup, white with brindle BODY PATCHES and a natural STUMPY tail. He may be apprehensive, but he is a sweet dog. ANY INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT 0428 165 059 we are absolutely deperate for their return. There is a SUBSTANTIAL REWARD for their safe return adn we want any information good or bad

I've had recommendations including clear every skerrick of grass away from kennel area, (the dogs are kennelled on concrete), they have hiigh beds, i am going to malowash them in the morning to knock off what's on them now. I've been advised to malowash the kennels and salt the earth around the kennels and water it in with malowash to kill them in teh dirt. normally i would just pick them off but i reckon between splosh and bunny they'd easy have a 1000 on them. I picked 50 from one ear! I will look into proban, is it a vet specific product?

Are we talking "Brown Dog Tick" :- Western NSW, "Grass Tick" :- widespread, or "Paralysis Tick" :- Australian East Coast? Brown dog Ticks and Seed ticks (guessing thats a colloquial term for them, they're kind of bluish colour) def not paralysis all the way out here

Longreach. we just moved from in town to a property and the grass is knee high and it's perfect condition for the buggers to breed up. I wonder, i was told of a tablet called PROBAN or something to similar effect that is given daily? does anyone know of this it was recommended to me as the best thing EVER for them but the recommender wasnt sure if you can still get it

THEY'RE BLEEDING EVERYWHERE!!!! my poor dogs are literaly COVERED in the bloody things. Seems frontline is pointless as they were treated a week ago and they are genuinesly without exaggeration COVERED in them. today i looked into Splosh's ear and i pulled out as many as i could and counted at least 50 of the blood sucking mongrels. HELP ME! i couldn't stay near them today it broke my heart i was in tears. i am resolved to gfet the malowash out in the morning to start eradicatin gthe bastards but i need a long term management strategy

congratulations on Tango's return

OLYMPUS!!!! But i would recommend sticking with the same brand so you can keep using your glass save having to buy new ones

These pics put such a smile on my face! I wanna come and play too!

What a terrible circumstance! Glad he's recovering okay, and especially glad your daughter and niece are okay In any dog this should be considered uncommon, and downright dangerous. My Neapolitan is the sweetest dog you could ever meet. They can be wary and give a warning bark, and they do know who their boss is, but they should always respond to their owners asking. Typically with the Neo's I've been around, they are big slobbery lazy goofballs, more likely to tread on your toes or accidentially knock you with their tail than intentionally attack. I've only seen one to be wary of and she was owned by a breeder who kept and rehabilitated her appropriately. (she had bred the dog adn it had been returned to her). What could have caused it to happen is poor training and socialisation, and a combination of both - maybe your dog barked? either way, no dog with such an unstable temperament should have been in that situation especially with three children involved. So in response to your question after all that rambling, typically in my experience they have an even temperament - but they are a very large dog who's respect must be earned early because there is no way you could physically control one - it's all in their willingness to respond to their asking. They are sweet dogs, may be wary, but never should they or any dog be aggressive have they been socialised properly. I think this instance is probably a one off - i know my boy used to not even notice small barking dogs, he'd just keep on trotting along minding his own business.

What a load of crap. I remember when Tyra was killed it was a terrible terrible thing. I wonder if poiters, retrievers and bailers are classed as hunting dogs as well as luggers. Im guessing its only poor old pig dogs thanks ready set go for finding that for me... do you know of any such legislation affeacting queenland?

WHAT! omg im sorry i dont believe in BSL but the old cattle dog is a true contender! They are great guard dogs and will bite. I have been around hundreds of dogs through station work, pig hunting hobby, my friends and even walking around town... You've always got to keep an eye on a cattle dog! We even owned one as a family dog for about 8 years and you even had to watch him - he would nip you if you didnt pay any attention to him! They are BRED to bite cattle on the heel to keep them moving or on the nose to turn them or pull them up. They dont belong in suburban backyards, They are working dogs. Of all the hundreds of dogs i've been around, the only two to ever bite were Cattle dogs. Been rushed by several others too. One of them wasa dog my uncle owned i used to play fetch with for hours that one wasnt his fault i was holding our terrier inmy arms and he snarled at Rocky (The cattle dog) and Rocky tried to attack him. The second was completely unprovoked, and was teo dogs who ganged up on me as i got out of my car and crossed the street to get a neenish tart from the bakery and one jumped up at my face and the other nailed me on the ankle. And they were dogs known to teh council as dangerous! Dont want em banned, but heck, owners should have a clue about their dog's true heritage and purpose. They are sweet dogs, with their family, but even if you are their owner you still have to be careful around them.

What do you mean by 'the problem'? just dont understand the context

Hmmmm.... I was pretty sure they were keen to bring it in, that all hunting dogs (individually not as a breed cos if anyone knows most of the pig dogs running round are of dubious tracable breeding) were to be classed as 'dangerous' regardless of their history, just because of their occupation. i last looked into it about 3 years ago... does anyone have any links that might be able to assist me?

As almost all have some bull blood in them, and as my 4 dogs serve there occupation, i was just wondering if anyone can update me on the nsw & qld restrictions on owning pig dogs? i remember at one stage they were trying to bring in in NSW that all 'hunting' dogs (which would bring your retrievers, hounds and terriers into that classification technically as there original conception were for seeking and retreiving game, bailing and destroying vermin) were immediately classified as dangerous - has this happened?

Thanks lo pan :rolleyes:

thank you:)

APBT are a terrier, a molosser is a mastiff dog, APBT are a lot smaller than a mastiff. Dogs that are chained are so to protect themselves from uneducated dicks, not the other way around. (there are other reasons but thats why we chain ours) Our dogs are chained and would be the happiest doggies you could meet. but ours are run everyday. Not alot get that luxury.

Loving the fishing photos! So as a terrier, what is their purpose, i always thought terriers were rodent hunters, or dogs with high prey drive for use in similar fields?

So you do understand. You cant agree with that AND agree with what your father in law says. Sometimes it doesnt matter who has experienced what. Fact is the APBT is not a guardian breed. Sorry, i didn't mean dig at the breed, i meant that i thought you threw them in to get a raise out of me because i own one. As far as the second comment, i agree and disagree with him. I argue that not just him, but EVERYONE classes dog's by their breed. The breeds he discusses as the ones he has poor experiences with are the ones he personally has had trouble with. I personally would rank bloody cattle dogs as the worst for attacking with and without provocation because they are the only dog that has ever actually bitten me, excpet the odd accidential nip from an overstimulated boardog and getting my hand in the wrong place at the right time. (when removing from the pig, trying to control a 30-50kg dog or two and a squealing wriggling hog, it's bound to happen once or twice ) third one - ok. Catagorically what are APBT supposed to be? (not being a smart arse, just want your opinion) as i have only had experience with them as primarily hunting dogs and secondly as family backyard dogs. But i just find it odd that all my friends who've owned APBT and crosses always tie their dogs up before we go out the back 'just in case'. These aren't people who mistreat their dogs either. Every APBT i've come across has barked on our approach to the gate or door. Aren't they traditionally a fighting breed?

Not all of us apparently. And thats called "projecting". The statements made by your father in law are foolish and false. It is the minority of dogs of any breed that would be happy about a stranger walking into thier yard. "Border collies", "Pitbulls", "Cattle dogs", ect he says "you have to watch" pfft good on ya. And what about Schnauzers, Dobermans, Neo's, and Kelpies ? Dont have to watch them ? The guy knows jack, that was my first impression when I read your post and its even more evident now, he doesnt "get it" and niether do you. You have made various far fetched (read - catagorically false) claims, for instance, "Pitbulls are a guardian breed". No cred, end of story So because my experiences, because they are different to yours, are catagorically 'false'? pfft, good on you, if you had read the earlier posts correctly, they are the ones he had had bad experiences with. Of course any dog is generally unhappy with a stranger in their yard and you have to be careful with every dog individually. I say pitbulls are a guardian breed because the one pure and two crosses i have OWNED myself, were great guard dogs. Stuff it, whatever, obviously you are the be all and end all of everything and know all, so end of story to you :wave:i'd like to say something else too, but i'm too polite. this is an open forum and i am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. And in reply to your insinuation above that i don't like APBT - I do. but they aren't the dog for me. They have admirable qualities. I've never said i dont like them. and for the dig at neo's - i agree, i wouldn't get in the yard with my boy if i didn't know him. so and get back on topic

How are they false? after 25 years of walking into peoples backyards every weekday,and owning bull breed dogs himself, i would think that would be some kind of experience with how dogs react to strangers entering their yard, I suppose i'd better say dogs of type that looked like the breed they could have been cos it's not like he has seen their papers whatever. Don't we all get on here and go APBT this and how wonderful and blah blah - same thing isn't it? we're only basing our opinion on our experience and EVERYBODY generalises dogs by breed - if you don't think you do, you'd be lying. I will say all Neo's are wonderful right now, but i only own one and have only met about 12 is it fair for me to base my opinion, positive or negative, on 12 individuals? no probably not but EVERYONE is guilty of it. but pffft. whatever you reckon i'm not going to argue about it anymore. The original issue when i started this thread was BYB and the affect it has on the reason the breed is considered dangerous. And i wasn't bagging APBT- I personally wouldn't own one, but if you want one, fine. But in the mean time until BSL is abolished or whatever, Why buy one where you have so many restriction son how the dog must be kept thereby affecting it's quality of life, and then whinge about BSL? Fair enough if you already owned the dog before BSL came in and did the right thing like chris, but why add to the problem?

Thank you, i'm glad to hear you are doing the right thing for your puppy until she can be with you again I understand how hard it can be to rehome a dog because i did that with warren for 12 months while i lived in charters. You should be commeded for your attitude to fighting bsl and wanting the best for yourdog Lo pan - btw - i am offended that you would disregard my comments from my meter reader friend - he's actually my father in law with EXTENSIVE experience dogs in all situations - good homes, poor homes and just personally i have found his experiences are similar to mine, and having worked on numrous properties as a shearing shed hand and stationhand, among other previous careers, and with our past time and the people we socialise with being hunting, you should undesrtand that dogs are our life, our dogs are hard working, and our furkids. The reason we have breeds and breeding standards are to determine how the particular puppy we select SHOULD turn out. ALL BREEDS have negatives and positives. And in my experience regardless of the homes the dogs come from they can USUALLY be classed by breed. THATs why you have all chosen a APBT as your breed of choice, their qualities appeal to you. But you can't deny that tenacity is a breed quality that might make them less suitable for every family environment. So why are you so taken aback by my comment that My father in Law can't generalise by breed? he calls it as he sees it. You promote all APBT from your experience with them, why can't he be wary of dogs becasue of HIS previous experience with other members of the breed?

would be the first one to agree with you that a neo needs a certain kind of person and environment to excel - warren is lovely a great mate but i wouldn't like to be around when i'm not. But neo's were historically bred to fight and protect. as were apbt. And i am also aware they have been restricted in certain aussie councils, and have been considered for state legislation. Gecko Tree - in relation to pig dogs and adding APBT blood - i'm sure they suit some hunters but not us. a little blood in the mix is great though, just adding that extra 'hardness' but in the pure form in our experience, it's just too much. With Pig dog breeding it's a lot of experimentation to get the right mix. I just hear so many stories where a few years into their lives, including pets from loving homes, just having brainsnaps when it comes to other dogs, one in particular that was very well socialised - was the kind of dog anyone could walk into the yard with but when she was three years old, attacked someone breaking in and then killed another dog in the same week, unfortunately she had to be destroyed. But this is just one example. I know there are out there APBT with more stable temperaments, but even with our extensive experience with dogs of all shapes sizes and histories and backgrounds, i will acknowledge that the breed is being brought down from the inside. AST make great hunters, i don't know what the difference is back there in the history, and they do seem to have a more suitable temperament for less experienced handlers and owners. Thats just my honest opinion. but this thread isn't about that - it's about what can be done to prevent further damage to the breeds reputation - it seems APBT owners are fighting an uphill battle against themselves because of their tenacious reputation attracting undesirables with dollar signs in their eyes. Chrisjc - where do you live? just out of interest. you're not anal, just passionate about your breed as i am about our hunting dogs - btw, neo's are useless i've never even attempted to hunt warren and would snipe at anyone who did hunt one cos they're just meant to be decorative doormats ;) . Just another quick question - why an APBT given the current climate and the possibility that should something happen or some wanker dobs you in and you may lose your dog/s? not picking at all, i'm just curious as to why people continue to purchase and breed them rather than just sticking with and protecting the dog/s you already own.

Well, i'm not exactly kicking them while they're down - merely being practical in admitting that they aren't a dog for everyone, and shouldn't be promoted as such. Being the mother of a baby i wouldn't allow any of the dogs of any breed or purpose i've ever known to 'nanny' her. As far as the people i know that own dogs, i've been around exclusivley pet APBT and those used for hunting (which are family pets in the meantime), and have always found them defensive of their owners. Not aggressive, but definitely wary in the prescence of strangers. The reason APBT is bred into hunting dogs is their ability to hold. in relation to individuality - you defend the breed on the basis of your own dogs - what about other dogs? we can only base our experiences on dogs we have known. this may be the case for Alpha bet. For example, a dear friend of mine has been an electricity meter reader for 25 years - i would guarantee he would have had the most experience with dogs of anyone you could meet. His conclusions are the ones you have to watch are Border Collies, Cattledogs, Kelpies, then Malamutes, APBT and crossbred dogs. That said, real APBT and obvious crosses aren't as plentiful as these other breeds in the area he reads. This is a man that loves Bull breed dogs - but he will openly contest he always watches PB's with one eye open because in his words, you just can't trust them unattended. That combined with their strength ... you get the picture. These dogs need to be very very well socialised, well fenced because they are great jumpers, they do need to be protected from themselves. My point in saying that is they ARE a guardian breed, which is very loyal to their own family - and what does a guardian do? BSL is not right, but back to my original arguement - if they're not to be bred, sold, they are to be desexed and not imported, by the legislation, aren't you only shooting yourself in the foot by blatantly flaunting the law, through having dogs advertised for sale, breeding dogs?

I have to agree with alphabet - as an owner of pig dogs i will not be naive and deny their capacity for damage. I will add though the likelihood of an incident is lower. A lot of apbt owners argue the dog's capacity as a family protector - and combined with their tenacity, it's not a good combination. Every PB or cross we owned or have encountered through the hunting fraternity have been very hard luggers (to the point they're too hard to get off). APBT and AmStaffs are sensitive dogs that crave attention and without, they get bored and therefore the problems Alpha bet illustrated emerge. I know this is the case with any breed but you can't deny it. It takes a special dedicated owner to bring out the best in these dogs, they're not for everyone, and i don't believe should be promoted as such. The aim is not to create owvership but maintain a sensible educated community of owners and breeders and awareness throughout the wider community ensuring their pups go to knowledgable homes.