Colliewood

The thing is, Colliewood, where I might say (for example) that a halti's nose strap will fit further away from the dog's eyes than another, this might not be entirely true when you put it on a dog, as the dog's head & neck size and shape can influence that. Generally a halti brand will sit further away from a dog's eyes though. There are so many nuances and influences to speak of. I run the NDTF Head Collar workshop and quite often at the start, students can't comprehend how we could spend 3.5 hours JUST on head collars. Yet every time the session is information packed (we focus on 3 different head collar styles) and I'm usually finding myself running out of time.

Thanks Erny, sounds like a very professional and informative workshop. One that I am sure would be interesting and of great value to hear. I understand what you are saying in that you cannot learn this sort of stuff in 5 minutes. I am seriously not expecting to.

I am simply starting to learn, not practice, only learn.

I think poor Colliewood just wanted a comparison,

yep, simply want to learn. I am not experienced enough to justify one way or the other. It is not my place to.

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I went to Coles today and looked at it. You know what, no instructions on its use.!! Just how it works and the fact it's not chew proof.

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It's so bloody confusing...

There is more information inside the pack in a leaflet

Not in the one from Coles - Pet Life is the brand, I think it is a generic Halti. I ended up going to buy one as I need to do a comparison and nothing inside. I need look at them and see them on. Nothing like seeing them on then you get a feel for them.

... the Halti which you can now purchase from Coles Supermarkets...

Can they? How disappointing . The last thing dogs need are more correctional tools available in supermarkets where there is guaranteed absolutely no possibility of any hints/tips/advice on their use. Not that they necessarily would or could get that from the Vet clinics and Pet Stores where they were previously commonly purchased, but at least there was an underlying chance.

I went to Coles today and looked at it. You know what, no instructions on its use.!! Just how it works and the fact it's not chew proof.

Huski - Thanks for the site reference earlier. Have looked at it and well get into it more tonight.

With regards to the chiro info against head collars, I have info saying the same with check chains. How does one know who to believe? Although I don't doubt it with both if used incorrectly. I am not trying to stir the pot, I simply am learning and would like to understand what I can about the options.

I bought a Martingale (is that spelt correctly) today and like that on my bc, he did well on it.

It's so bloody confusing...

Hi, Does anyone have any info on comparing head collars? Features, position of straps for xyz reason etc??

The good, the bad, the ugly please.

ta

not sure if this may help http://cgi.ebay.com.au/KOEHLER-METHOD-OF-O...%3A1%7C294%3A50

Thanks 4paws - I saw that earlier, am watching it.

Also try a book called "How Dogs Learn" by Bailey & ???

Thanks pip

I think you've maybe got your operant conditioning terms a little mixed up, here is a link to help you sort them out:

http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/

I'm guessing that you actually want a book based on positive punishment? Koehler includes a lot of positive punishment in the form of check chain work, though I don't know if I'd say his method was actually based on punishment (e.g he tended to initially teach most exercises by using physical placement of the dog, praise and simple repetition). But if noone has any better suggestions, I guess I'd look for the Koehler Method of Dog Training at the local library.

Thanks Staranais, yes positive punishment. I am blonde and my brain is fried today (well a bit more than usual). I have tried library with no luck.

ta

(have posted this in general also, apologies if that is not the done thing)

Hi,

I need urgently for an assignment information on Dog Training from years gone by. If I cannot get a book, a link to a web site or something, but it needs to give details similar to a book.

It needs to be based on negative reinforcement / negative punishment.

I am happy to buy or borrow and send it back. If you can help please let me know.

ta

Hi,

Any help /suggestions would be appreciated.

Customer of mine has a BC x, recently took in her husbands family dog of he last 10 years or so. A Lab x Kelpie. This is the fourth home in the last year or 2 for this dog. She is a bit highly strung, a sweet girl.

Anyway to the problem, when home owners leave she constantly barks, they have tried the kongs/bones things to keep her busy but not much luck.

I have suggested more exercise, anything else you can suggest would be great.

ta

Hi Sue,

Do let us know when you reschedule.

Many Thanks

Jen (Jo's sis)

Hi,

Need opinions please. I know my thoughts but I just want to get a broader opinion.

Have a friend about to send their very reactive dog (reactive to other dogs) out to these guy for a 2 week training "intensive". They have stated they use positive training methods but I have some doubts.

I also beleive this will be very stressful for the dog and training the human is just as important to me also.

I could be wrong, opinions please?

so sorry AM, must have been very hard to find him that way.

fun free milo.

Thanks Rappie,

I know it would be difficult to comment, that's fine. It's just something I thought of today and wanted to at least ask the question.

It certainly looked like a stroke her eyes were unable to focus and continualy moving. We knew this day would come, she was 24 hrs off being pts 15 months ago with the liver infection and bounced back. So the last 15 mths have been a real bonus.

ta

Rappie, would there be any reason to suspect a reaction if an (old ) dog with a history of 1 episode of a major bacterial liver infection was given it?

My old girl (almost 15) had an epsiode overnight and was unable to stand this morning, urinated everywhere and some neuro damage. Found her this morning when we went to let her outside.

she was pts today.

Hi,

Anyone's dogs had reactions to Cephalexin (Keflex)?

It is with a sad heart I sent my Cindy girl over the bridge today. Woke to let them out this morning and she could not get up and had some sort of neuro episode.

Will miss her dearly.

If it is an infection, would I be able to see anything (i tried using a torch but it was all clean..)

Sometimes it can be deeper down and cannot be seen.

Might be worth the trip to get them checked. It may only get worse and you have no way of knowing.

Train to do what?

A kelpie is MUCH easier than a shihtzu to train as a sheep dog !

Just the basics, yes inherited behaviour would play a big part.

I'm of the opinion that they're not "harder", they're just "different". That might be just semantics, but people say that spitz breeds are harder to train but they just need a different approach compared to a border or kelpie, for example.

Agreed! I should have worded it that way.

ta

Someone asked me this the other day and I am sure there are reasons for plenty of different breeds. I thought a Beagle would be hard from the point of view of scent etc. Once they got one it would be a HUGE distraction.

Any thoughts?

did anyone see the add for Global shop direct for the new "Pedi Paws" ??

What a joke, it is the worst add. It paints the picture to joe public on how bad it is to use nail trimmers on dogs, ( sitting still, cutting too far, splittng etc)

Then they bring this out. How in the world do they expect a dog that is not trained for a silent item (trimmers) to sit for this. ????

In the first demo they talk about how calming it is for the dogs; the dog is almost in a headlock and cannot move if he wanted to. In other shots he is looking a little more comfortable but not much.

If someone cannot get a normal trim done, good luck using this.

http://globalshopdirect.com.au/index.php?p...pedipaws.com.au

As other have said, keep it calm and very short. Even if you only last 20 seconds. Always finish on a positive note and not when he is fussing. Only when he is calm. Feed lots of treats for the behaviour you want and ignore the rest. No eye contact, no talking to calm him down, just shutdown and wait, he will stop. Also if he is fussing when you hold his feet for example, do not let go, keep quiet, shut down and praise and treat when he is calm.

If you have to do this 10 times a day for a week thats ok. It won't be forever, as he gets older he will get better.

If he gets away with these things now you and anyone grooming him in the future will have a hard time and most of all he will hate it.

Midol, its definitely sport for the dogs. They love it and I love watching the different breeds go at it.

I agree.

Our dogs love it and go nuts. Good fun.

The TOT and NILF stuff tends to put a stop to any of that sort of behavior I find.

Yep this is all I've done, worked to make sure the dogs learn that food is a resource I control. I let them eat in peace, too.

I have never used the technique of taking food from them each meal time or generally harassing them, and my dogs have no problem relinquishing food to me.

I have also heard of the technique where if the dog has something, you say 'give' and 'trade' what they have with a more high value treat.

Meant to ask earlier, can some explain TOT and NILF please.

ta

I have not actively worked to do anything to prevent it as, in my opinion, if my pooch sees me as the leader/pack leader then resource guarding shouldn't even become an issue.

That is true, if you are seen as leader then it shouldn't be an issue.

However, when new dogs come to into the house then these leadership issues are still being established.

In our situation, new pup with 2 adult dogs who are also incredibly well behaved. Pup came from being fed with all the other pups and it was get what you can. She needed to learn to slow down and realise you can eat and not watch over your shoulder that another dog is not coming to get some.

We now have a 7 month old that is the slowest of the 3 and even eats sitting down occasionally. She will not eat until given the command, this is the same with my 11 and 8 children also. ( we make them wait because watching the dribble performance is very funny)

We worked on it early so it did not become major and she knew what was expected.