Greytmate

We do not know what the instructions were. Blonde only told us that she wanted her dog's 'socks' left long. We don't even know if the groomer was told the dog was matted. No point at all in berating a groomer that probably doesn't even know this topic exists, but we can warn people that if they present a matted dog to a dog groomer, a caring groomer will probably clip the matted area as first priority, and aesthetics will come second. If you don't accurately describe the condition of your dog to the groomer, the groomer may feel less inclined to consult you before making the dog comfortable. This groomer might be a terrible groomer, for all we know, and Blonde have been very clear and honest with them may be very justified in being angry, but this topic should serve as an warning to anyone who takes matted dog to a groomer.

I absolutely won't be getting him PTS. I have seen many issues between dogs and bitches. Its a little harsh for you to say he has 'major issues' when you have never met him , I do agree with you that him coming to us at 6 weeks was not a good thing but it was unavoidable and we have done the best we can in terms of socialising him, etc. He is a lovely dog 90% of the time, very relaxed, extremely obedient and we've never had an issue with him with other dogs. The bitch in this case is more of a resource guarder than the dog so on that basis, should I have her PTS?! I think out of all the problems a dog owner could have this one does sound pretty major. It is unusual to have a bitch living in fear of a dog. If you can't separate or solve the issues what choices do you have? To let them keep fighting will be very cruel and dangerous, and to rehome one would be unethical as it just passes the problem to another family. Nobody likes having to put a dog to sleep, but it's really not fair on your bitch to have to live in constant fear. Nobody is telling you to have the dog put to sleep without doing more to try to solve the issues first. If you cannot solve the issues, or keep them totally apart, then putting him to sleep is the responsible thing to do. You have come to the right forum to find people with plenty of experience in dog issues and with rehoming, but you do have to be prepared to accept that the advice we give might not be what you really want to do. I really wish you the best with this, everyone here would like to see things improve, nobody wants you to lose a dog.

Blonde hasn't told us what she wanted the groomer to do. She has made it clear that she asked the groomer to keep the hair long, but it doesn't take 20 minutes to say that. I wonder if the groomer did just spend 20 minutes just agreeing with everything Blonde said, or whether there is another side to the story. In any case, it's all theory until the dog is on the table and the groomer can see what needs to be done. The groomer could have called Blonde to explain that the legs needed to be clipped, but there are also reasons why a groomer might decide not to. For instance if he client had not been accurate in describing the dog's condition in the first phone call, it seems pointless to call them back just to have an argument. Might be easier just to make the dog comfortable and allow the client to go elsewhere for their magic and miracles.

Woody guards our property against blue tongues. He won't attack them, but he does bark quite disapprovingly at them.

Came into this thread and expected to read about a disaster. A groomer cutting a dog's ear off or something. Instead we get a story from a person with a matted dog complaining about her dog being clipped. Blonde, what did you expect the groomer to do with the matted area? Did you expect one clipped leg and three fluffy legs?

Greytmate, why do you suggest to have Ares check by a vet first? What should we check him for? In relation with the tick paralysis? He still seems to be a bit slower than he was before but it was only 3 weeks ago. That could explain him being a bit "moody"! Thanks again Sylvie. The vet would check for things like sore spots, dental problems or limited motion in limbs or anything that may indicate the dog is in pain. Pain will make a dog much less tolerant than it will normally be. I have heard of tick bites making dogs more anxious, but not more aggressive. If it's still affecting him physically, he may be feeling unwell. In many cases a vet will find nothing physical wrong. But it's not a good idea to start behavioural work unless you have checked that there isn't an obvious physical problem that needs fixing first.

I would look at getting help for them. Training in obedience is always good, but you have a problem which needs to be looked at more closely, so I would get a good private trainer or behaviourist in to have a look. I would get Ares checked out by the vet first. This page NILIF is good for helping pushy or anxious dogs, but it seems Ares behaviour has gone a bit beyond pushy.

I don't think it is responsible to consider rehoming either dog just yet. If one dog is anxious at the sight of the other, then separating the dogs might not work at all in a normal domestic home and may be too risky. This isn't just about which dog is harder to part with, this is about putting a dog up for rehoming that has serious behaviour problems. It's something which puts other people and animals at risk. It isn't the right thing to do. That's why I feel more needs to be done to understand why it's happening before either of the dogs are considered ok to rehome.

Exactly. And it seems that anxiety is misinterpreted by him OR he's a complete a**hole and seizes the opportunity to hurt her when she's at her most vunerable. But judging him by his behaviour previously with her, with other dogs and with us, I can't see that. But I have to consider it. Yes, you will unfortunately. How a dog is with people is usually no indication of how it will be with other dogs. It may be something that he would do with other dogs, if he was around them enough and the triggers came up. It doesn't sound like he would be a safe bet for rehoming, because I don't know how you could predict whether he would start to act like this again in future. Whether he is misinterpreting the anxiety and reacting to that or whether he is the instigator. It isn't his fault, he isn't an arsehole. But he might have a genetic tendency to behave this way and over time that might have been inadvertently reinforced. I think its commendable that you are getting help, many people don't. Good luck with this.

Yep this is where we are at now - we are keeping them seperated eg one in one out or in seperate rooms. Its a bit of a pain for us but I agree its better than either them fighting or losing one of them. The problem with this though is that the Sibe's anxiety levels are still quite high, whenever she can see the Mastiff x, even through a barrier, she starts to display anxiety and I hate the thought of her next seven years being stressful on a daily basis :-( This is the sort of thing where a behaviourist might suggest ways of reducing the dog's anxiety. But without seeing what is happening with both dogs over time, it's impossible for anyone here to give meaningful advice. Anxiety is a problem, and it wouldn't be right to just rehome an anxious dog. An anxious dog isn't good. But could there be something about the mastiff's behaviour that is likely to cause anxiety in a normal dog? A really good behaviourist should be able to provide a little more insight I think. Have both dogs had a very thorough vet exam? That should always be the first step. I have seen situations where separation was not a practical solution, but in those cases, rehoming wasn't either.

Your behaviourist should be able to give you more insight into the behaviour and what might be triggering it. With that information you can then decide whether rehoming is the right thing to do. Then, only if one of the dogs is suitable to be rehomed you need to think about what sort of home would best suit the dog. What has your behaviourists advised? Maybe you need better help with this? We are working to identify the triggers, but they keep changing with every instance. As to her advice, she has raised this as a last resort - she has met both dogs and thinks they are both good individuals but as she says, sometimes two dogs just don't get along, and it may not be an 'issue' of either dog, but a personality clash. When you say "Maybe you need better help with this?" - what do you mean? A behaviourist should be able to offer a little more insight than that. Sometimes dogs just don't get along, but that is often to do with one dog more than the other. Did they give you a management plan? I wouldn't be happy to pay for a behaviourist only to be told both dogs are 'good' and one might need to be rehomed.

Rehoming isn't always a last resort or always an option. Your behaviourist should be able to give you more insight into the behaviour and what might be triggering it. With that information you can then decide whether rehoming is the right thing to do. Then, only if one of the dogs is suitable to be rehomed you need to think about what sort of home would best suit the dog. What has your behaviourists advised? Maybe you need better help with this?

Yes, it would have been better if they had a specific way that people can help that they just ask for that help. Guilt trips are not the best way to promote anything. I don't think the useless bling and other crap that people buy to put on their dogs is any worse than all the other bling and manufactured crap they can buy to put on their cars, in their homes, or on themselves at this annual festival of consumption. Rescue does have a harder time at this time of year. So many irresponsible people drop the dog on the shelter as they head off on their holiday. It's would be good if the people that don't normally visit the rescue forum could sometimes see the issues that come up there. I reckon heaps of DOLers already help rescue, but at this time of year, it doesn't hurt to consider the extra strain on rescue.

I use drontal intestinal wormers, and advocate for fleas and heartworm. If you live in a high-tick area you will also have to consider tick prevention, maybe Frontline, although that is less effective on fleas than some of the others. You will need to use intestinal wormers on your puppy. Drontal is one but there are many others. If you do not worm your puppy it may get very sick and die. I don't think DE is going to be a suitable alternative to an intestinal wormer. If you do a search, this topic has been discussed many times, here and in the health forum. There are many different products on the market that work in different ways. Your vet will be able to give you advice on which combination of products may suit you if you are unsure.

I know of several kennels where the person at the 'admissions' desk doesn't know the difference! Just ask the kennel/cattery in advance, or get it in writing. It's complicated. It's dynamic. It's a mess. Everyone has to make their own decisions. I've had vets tell me that the actual vaccination used in the one year stuff is exactly the same as the three year stuff, and that a few years of regular vaccination confers immunity for life (except for 'kennel cough'). It's going to cost me $30/hit to read the scientific journal articles on such subjects, and many of them will contain so much jargon that they'll do me no good. They keep developing new vaccines. Legislation gets written, and then gets interpreted through the courts. In most cases we're arguing about numbers of angels on the head of a pin. How many parvo or distemper epidemics have arisen in boarding kennels? Rapidly evolving viruses, like 'kennel cough' are a different question, but fortunately, none of them are lethal. Knock on wood. I don't see why it has to be. The boarding kennel association or whoever sets the rules needs the rule to refer to a vaccination protocol signed off by a veterinary surgeon. They are not really qualified to decide what the vaccination protocol is themselves. In the same way that the Brisbane City Council regulations are written, as long as the dog is being vaccinated according to vet advice and a current certificate is held, nobody else is qualified to argue. The regulations don't have to include the current protocol, they just have to refer to the protocol and require it to be followed. The whole reason vaccination certificates are issued is that so that the vet can certify than an animal has been vaccinated properly. It doesn't make sense that boarding kennels would see themselves as being better qualified than vets to decide whether a dog is vaccinated or not.

Vaccination certificates always have a due date, and so that is how you decide if the certificate is current. That part is very clear, regardless of where your personal stand is on the timing of vaccinations. It's up to people to use a vet that has the same ideas that they do. They can have the argument with their own vet, rather than the boarding kennel operator having to argue with the client.

Before you buy one, make sure you also check out the diesel wagons. Mazda, Subaru, Volvo, Volkswagen and others have diesel wagons that have lower combined fuel and running costs than a falcon on gas.

How old is the dog Mille? We have only ever tested one of our boys prior to a mating and that was because he was an older dog that had never been used at stud. He'd been in four homes prior to coming to us so we wanted to make sure he still had swimmers The dog is 9 years old. They said they tested him in order to freeze sperm and he was ok for sperm count. I did ask about fertility because they originally wanted 3 matings over 3 days. I guess stud dog progeny record is not open to public view like online studbook AQHA horses? I have been out of dog breeding since 1970s (might be still out of it). Thanks for your comments. I tried to get information on stud dog's progeny through Dogs Vic but was advised that this information is no longer available due to the privacy laws now in force . How annoying and illogical. Somebody should take this up with them. The privacy laws should cover people very strictly. But dogs should not be covered by privacy laws at all. All information on their achievements, hits and misses should be something available on the register for all to see, as it is conducive to breeding to improve the breed. Hiding information about dogs available at stud is harmful to a breed. A dog is not going to be able to sue the registry for breach of privacy, and as long as there is no identifying details given about owner or address, there is no breach of anyone's privacy. How ridiculous that privacy laws should be abused in this way. :rofl: :rofl: Privacy and litters are printed in the Gazette. :rofl: Good. The services that result in no litters should all be recorded for everyone to see as well.

Hopefully Dogs Q can convince him that he must sign the certificate. Have you explained the current situation to them? I would be taking everything into consideration right now and weighing up whether it is best to abort the pups rather than have to deal with this person any longer. I think you are lucky he never bothered to do the lease paperwork.

Yes, if they are leasing the bitch, all registration paperwork to do with the litter is their repsonsibility, and not anything to do with the lessor. There are good reasons to lease out a bitch some times. Leasing one out in this scenario is not really a good idea, as you lose control of what is happening to your own pet in your own home.

From the Dogs Qld Rule Book Rule 36f. The application for registration is accompanied by a duly completed service certificate which must be signed at the time of stud by both parties. Thank you for that legality Dracdog. So if the date signed does not coincide with the service date, registration of litter probably denied. In my case, where the stud dog owner would not sign anything, he has already waived his rights along with mine for a registered litter. You need to ask them about that. Denial of registration of a litter would be something everyone wants to avoid. There can be other penalties for failing to supply the correct paperwork at the correct time, and sometimes people just get away with things.

The costs of running our diesel wagon are very comparable to that of running a small petrol car. I would always prefer to have my own dogs in the car rather than in a trailer for safety reasons. But you can always use a trailer for all the gear and have the dogs in the car with you.

How old is the dog Mille? We have only ever tested one of our boys prior to a mating and that was because he was an older dog that had never been used at stud. He'd been in four homes prior to coming to us so we wanted to make sure he still had swimmers The dog is 9 years old. They said they tested him in order to freeze sperm and he was ok for sperm count. I did ask about fertility because they originally wanted 3 matings over 3 days. I guess stud dog progeny record is not open to public view like online studbook AQHA horses? I have been out of dog breeding since 1970s (might be still out of it). Thanks for your comments. I tried to get information on stud dog's progeny through Dogs Vic but was advised that this information is no longer available due to the privacy laws now in force . How annoying and illogical. Somebody should take this up with them. The privacy laws should cover people very strictly. But dogs should not be covered by privacy laws at all. All information on their achievements, hits and misses should be something available on the register for all to see, as it is conducive to breeding to improve the breed. Hiding information about dogs available at stud is harmful to a breed. A dog is not going to be able to sue the registry for breach of privacy, and as long as there is no identifying details given about owner or address, there is no breach of anyone's privacy. How ridiculous that privacy laws should be abused in this way.

Signing a blank certificate is also dodgy. And you wouldn't allow your stud dog to mate with a bitch without knowing her details, because that would also be dodgy. Millie, a sperm count test is measured in motility. I can't recall the exact details, but there is information you can get about what figure is viable and what is probably not viable. If you are in any doubt you could ask for the actual result of the test, rather than accept an assurance that it is ok. Might be too late to do that now. The priority is getting them to sign.

I agree with Souff, the service certificate is to certify that a service took place and should be signed straight away. Those that wait to see if the bitch is in whelp, why wait? I would think it would be helpful to know if there are studs or bitches that are repeatedly not producing litters. If you are advertising a dog as a stud dog, people should be entitled to find out the dog's success rate. It is dodgy to pretend a service didn't happen just because it wasn't successful.