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Depending on the plane and size of the dogs, we could fit 2-3. Yes we could potentially take 1 -3 passengers. The cost is a put off, I agree. This would be something rather exclusive!

Hello! I'm putting out feelers to see if anybody is in need of a private plane to move dogs or cats around Australia. My husband is a pilot and would be flying, I would accompany the animal. This is a service we've been considering offering, not as a job as such, but because I know how frightening animals can find travelling by air. I wanted to offer an option with the pets health in mind. Prices to each airport will be calculated differently, however all flights will leave from Camden Airport in Sydney. If the animal needs to be picked up and dropped off from another location, that would incur further costs. Example of costs: Camden > Gold Coast: $3,952.00 Camden > Dubbo: $1,580.80 Camden > Cowra: $2,277.60 Camden > Adelaide: $6,292.00 My question is, would this be something breeders etc would be interested in? Thanks :)

I don't think Bonnie is really relevant to this directly and I'm reluctant to go off into a tangent on this one as I feel like this thread has finally gotten back on track. I will mention briefly that Bonnie was never set to be adopted directly from the pound. A very reputable rescue group was lined up to take her with an experienced foster carer. This group has some of the best behaviourists in Sydney on board with them should they ever need them, and they are not afraid to make the decision of euthanasia if it is the right thing to do. All pound staff and volunteers were totally confident she would pass the temp test as in three months she never showed any aggression to dogs or people, even dogs that went off at her. One of the main reasons they stuck their neck out for her was for this. The temperament assessment was performed by a vet in his vet surgery (we all know how some dogs can get at the vets), hardly a neutral place and by someone with no behavioural qualifications. It was performed after the dog had been impounded for three months. Again, not really neutral or fair. She apparently reacted to the other dogs there and was failed based on that. She deserved further assessment out of the pound environment, like any other dog would have gotten if they had a great rescue lined up to take them, especially after showing no behavioural issues in the pound. There have been numerous studies done in the USA recently showing that the way an impounded dog reacts in a temperament assessment, even a really well researched and performed one, can differ hugely from day to day and generally does not predict behaviour outside that environment. Unfortunately the legislation set her up to fail and denied her that. I am well aware of the temp test and the vet involved. Why did it take you three months to have Bonnie assesed? A NOI and assesment is a fairly straight forward process. It would have taken a couple of days max. Hi Nic, shoot me a PM if you want more details, but just quickly (I don't want to derail) she was impounded for 2.5 months, it was about 2 weeks into the impound time that the rescue group found out she was there and they sprung into immediate action. There was much paperwork to be done behind the scenes and was dependent on Blacktown Council and the DLG. She was breed assessed by a person appointed by the DLG who declared her a Pitty x, which meant she had to undergo evaluation by another person appointed by the DLG (which was the vet), and it was at this point she failed.

This boy is release to rescue only due to very poor quality back legs that need further investigation.

When we are met with such hostility on line, why would anybody now take the time to phone you CBE and ask the questions posted here on line? Furthermore, when several people are asking the same or similar questions, why not answer them publicly here, instead of potentially taking several phone calls and repeating yourself? I realise I am probably talking to the wind here, CBE has expressed that he will not return, but I just wanted to put those questions out there rhetorically.

I totally agree Steve. I'm not complaining at all about BP now temp testing. :)

PR have stated time and time again that they take the dogs that are left last on the list. In other words, they take the dogs that no other rescue or adopter wants. Quite often that is due to the nature of the animal, and yes I realise many of those left on the list are large bull breeds, sadly many find these much harder to work behaviourally with than a small terrier type (for example) due to size and strength. Therefore, shouldn't this magical group have been screening the adopters thoroughly to ensure they are going into the right home? Shouldn't they be working with the dogs behavioural temperaments PRIOR to adoption or placing into a foster home? Shouldn't they be offering support when the dog is placed into foster care/adoption? I believe they should. Yes both HP and BP are not as strict in their rehoming as private rescues are, unfortunately they don't have that luxury. The staff also have the pressure of either taking a chance and rehoming the animal, or risk euthanasing it a few days later. If push came to shove, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have an easy time euthing the animal when a "what if" situation presented beforehand. Also, I have said this time and time again. Their are worse places for a dog than death. No animal can be stored indefinitely, and the sad fact is that difficult dogs can take longer to place into a foster or adoptive home... so they end up in a kennel situation for months, even years. I've seen perfectly behaved dogs turn into aggressive, self mutilating, highly strung beings after only months in a kennel. I can't imagine what type of hell that is for them to live in.

I havent read through the whole thread.. can anybody enlighten me as to whether a solution to this problem has been found? Cause it's a common one in rescue

Great idea, trakkies make great jumpers! I am happy to be the (volunteer) contact for Hawkesbury Pound :)

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Considering my name is on the top of that list, you'd think I would have heard from the police by now regarding this baiting or whatever else it is that MN thinks I have done...

Pound Rounds: Cease functioning Petition

Not via the media Plan B the media is a good idea if its well thought out and used effectively but there is much to loose here if it gives off any impression that there is a risk in taking rescue dog - again if this is a potential tool it needs to fit in with a strategy plan. . and then MN would just threaten to sue for defamation.

Scenario: You have space for one dog, do you: Take in and spend the time and money, working with a DA or escaping dog OR take the nice re home able dog on the list? Sometimes that is what it comes down to, and we, as the sensible rescuers seeing the bigger picture and are not operating with a bleed heart, trying to save them all. We take the nicer, more well adjusted dog that society will accept. Sucky? yes. But we can only do what we can do. PR have prided themselves on taking the "dogs nobody wants" or "the ones left on the list".. what did they think they would end up with!? Of course they will have a never ending stream of difficult dogs, and hey.. if they were doing the right thing by the dogs and members of the public, then I would be but I'm

Personally I think any new laws will just be made a joke of, the same way any current laws are.

I wouldn't be allowed on the premises. That's not to say I haven't seen them though. And, I'm sorry, but any group that puts a dog in boarding, that has been told by the kennel manager that the dog is pregnant on various occasions, and refused to believe it or even get a vet visit organised, is just downright neglectful. That dog whelped in boarding and had four puppies. She could have been given vetcare much sooner and whelped in a home environment. But no. They know best. And who cares about just one individual dog in boarding when there are dozens? Maybe they could have spent more attention to dogs if they weren't dealing with arm chair rescues and keyboard warriors, I've never heard of that story but the reality is stuff happens, I got my car serviced once and they didn't put something back properly where it was meant to go, I went back and had them fix it, I didn't create hate pages on facebook, find out where the mechanic lived and stalk his address, and finding out who his friends were and talking crap about him to them. It's a sad day when arguing on the internet ranks higher in priority for the care taker of this animal than actually caring for it.

No Kill shelters do not have kill lists. Anyone, everywhere, can also do this. If they believe in warehousing animals, placing animals in incompatible homes, or otherwise giving a bad quality of life. Have you personally seen the facilities? I suggest you look for yourself. Which facilities are we discussing here? I'd like clarification here so I can be clear when I ask where I would like to visit. :)

I don't believe people should shut up and not act, when dogs are being failed by the very groups created to help them, just because some see bickering as a blight. Besides which, until I see a decrease in adoptions or foster carer applications, I would say that discussions like this have no impact on rescue as a whole. The actions of reckless and irresponsible groups, however, do. ^^ What he said plus this is a last resort, a last attempt at educating the public and letting our voices be heard. Ethical rescuers want people to know that the way PR operates is NOT normal and NOT considered a standard in rescue. We want to be heard loud and clear. The libel would be nice to leave out, but most of what I have seen from ethical, mature rescuers is defence against it.

If they have any insight they will do a FAQ list and then when anyone requires answers they can direct them there but I understand in a small org getting started why they don't have the time to play too much with answering individual questions publicly and why they would choose to ignore those they feel are vexatious. A FAQ is never a bad idea, if they get the time with all the dramas they get hammered with (rspca & council visits due to disgruntled ex-tenants). Think of it from your perspective, how much work would you get done if the phone rang off the hook and all you wanted to do was make some progress? Worst part is the staff at PR aren't suffering, the dogs are. Perhaps if the members of Pound Rounds are unable to make progress, they need to rethink their strategies. I don't know of any other rescue group whose phone rings off the hook due to (as you imply) rspca & council visits due to disgruntled ex-tenants.

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/245177-pound-rounds/page__st__315__p__6096113#entry6096113

Adorable!!!!

Good point Gertrude...

I'd send that letter registered mail, so you can be sure she got it.

Did anybody call BAHF and ask about the dog? I only just saw this thread but the pound closes at 4:30pm, making it too late for me to phone