Pailin

I saw it in Coles today and it is on special for $29.99 for a 5.5kg bag.

And the RSPCA are onto no kill shelters and not these puppy farmers? Same on RSPCA

My first thought on seeing these pictures was Puppy farm, EWWW! My second thought was- The facilities look 100% better than the Moorook pictures....

People need to remember that how we behave in our personal lives reflects back on those around us ESPECIALLY our place of employment and employers will not take kindly to that kind of negative light.

Yes she should definitely face the repercussions of her actions. How else is she to learn that behaving in such an atrocious manner will have consequences?

I am a touch younger than this person and I would never, in a million years, say something so horrible under any circumstances. It honestly boggles my mind that saying something like that would even occur to someone let alone be said by them.

I think there are suitable and unsuitable dogs and pups amongst all breeds.

I personally have a mixed breed, medium sized dog that I adopted from the RSPCA as a young pup. I've no idea on her breed mixture- she could be anything bull arab, am staff, dalmation, staffy, working breed... I don't even bother guessing because there are many possibilities. I viewed at least 10 puppies (from different litters), they were all about 10-12 weeks old and she was the only one there who didn't excitedly jump and scratch my 3yr old daughters legs and she gently sniffed my 6month old son (who was sitting on the ground), nuzzled him and walked off exploring and sniffing around.

She would not have been my first pick but her nature and gentleness were so obvious that she was perfect for a family. I adopted her and we have never looked back. Her nature continued to be loving and placid, and with continued training of both children AND puppy we have NEVER had an issue. She adores my children and follows after them into the funniest of situations at times.

My point is that I think it is about the pup or dog and their individual personality and energy level. I am sure most breeders will agree that amongst their litters there are varying personalities, some are laid back and relaxed and some are very full on and outgoing. I think it is about picking the right energy level and personality pup for the right home and then being consistent and dedicated to training and controlling the interactions until both dog and children know what is expected of their behavior and act appropriately.

Thanks everyone for your input.

I think the easiest for me will be the VIP. Something I can buy in the local supermarket, affordable and quality. Ticks all the boxes and I had never heard of it before. From what I have read there is a bigger bag (7kg I think?) but I have not come across it yet.

I do like the Canidae (price for money and quality) and I think it would be my choice if I was feeding more kibble but she is on a predominantly raw diet and I am just looking for a kibble for 1 (or 2, tops) days per week and sometimes not even that.

Pailin if you have a Costco near you there is a food, Kirklands All Natural or Natural Selection (or something similar it's in a blue bag with a Sibe on it) that is grain free and about $40 for 15 kilo.

My dogs love it and have been doing great on it.

Unfortunately, no. There does not appear to be any Costco stores in QLD. Thanks though- sounds like a real bargain!

I have been feeding the VIP also - the ingredients look just as good to me or even better than some of the premium brands. I wouldn't think that Canidae is inexpensive though?

I can find a 20kg bag for $100 which is on par with the Black Hawk.

I will check the local Woolworths for the VIP Grainfree. Thanks for the suggestions.

Hi all,

Funds have gotten extremely tight for me of late and so I have to look at some dry food alternatives to Artemis (current food). My girl is predominantly fed raw but I like to feed dry food every few nights for various reasons.

I have been looking at Black Hawk which seems to be marketed as an affordable quality food but have noticed that Canidae is very close in price (depending on the online store) and seems to have better ingredients.

Anyhow I am looking for something I can buy in bulk, that doesn't cost the earth and then some, but is also considered a quality and healthy food.

Thanks for reading.

For all anyone knows, the person who captured the video footage may have called the police prior to the recording.

On the one hand he seems like a lovely old dog, and I am upset that he may be put down at the RSPCA as I am not entirely convinced he will have owners looking for him given his poor condition BUT if I was looking for my missing dog that is where I would go to find her, so on the chance that he DOES have owners, the RSPCA would be the best place for him...

Please don't let physical condition influence your decision. Dogs can lose physical condition very quickly. He may have been on the run for a while, or just a short time but have become very stressed. They can also pick up parasites whilst on the run which can deteriorate condition quickly as well.

Take him to a vet for a microchip scan if you can. Otherwise, I would notify local vets, councils, shelters, the local paper's found classifieds and online lost and found sites that you have found him, and then take him to the RSPCA.

The RSPCA/AWL/council pound is the first place owners go looking for lost pets, and if they are looking for him, it's the best place for him to be. Tracking a dog through websites and/or rescue groups is much more difficult, and has failed in some cases altogether when a bad judgement call is made.

If you are concerned that he won't be reclaimed, as another poster said, I believe you can put your name down to adopt after the reclamation period is up, and you can organise for a rescue to take him on.

Edit - I used the wrong bracket to bold...

Thank you, I am very aware that condition is not a factor to be judged by. My mother's elderly staffy who has cancer has difficulty keeping condition on and has a patchy coat as a result. She looks poorly looked after but is doted on, so I do know that it happens.

There is no way I could afford to adopt him from the RSPCA once he has done his time, it is simply not feasible unfortunately.

- I have put a poster at the local shop, put him on local FB sites, listed him with the vet's in the area and had him picked up this afternoon by the council ranger.

I was not able to have him scanned myself as I had car issues this morning.

ITA with above - who are you to judge his living conditions and treatment based on what he was like when he was found, you have no idea how long he has been missing or how far he her also travelled. Put yourself in the reverse shoes - would you like one of your dogs to go missing, and someone find him, decide that since he had lost condition that this meant you were a bad owner, and just keep him, denying you the chance to ever be reunited again? There is a law regarding what to do with found animals for a reason, so that owner is given a chance to reclaim the missing animal. To keep him and rehome him without following that process is theft, IMO., pure and simple

Please don't jump to assumptions. I didn't judge his living conditions and treatment at all I merely said that I had DOUBT, due to his condition, that there *may* not be owners looking for him. I didn't say that they wouldn't, I said nothing about keeping the dog or that it was my intention to not reunite him with his owners if he does indeed have them. I never said a single negative thing about the possible owners and I really do not know what post you read but it is clear you did not read mine properly before responding.

I was asking what the law was BECAUSE I had people telling me NOT to surrender him to the RSPCA and emotionally blackmailing me on FB websites because I had stated that the dog would be surrendered to the RSPCA today. I had one lady claiming to be from a rescue organisation asking me to give the dog to them, if I did not find his owners, instead of impounding him and so I asked a question on here asking what the legalities were because that didn't seem like the proper process to me.

I know of a dog rescue that operates in the area of Dakabin Pound (run by RSPCA). From one case, I know that the RSPCA at Dakabin wisely turned over to them a small dog that was not coping with the shelter situation. So there seems to be some working relationship... or was.

Maybe that rescue would be able to advise you on laws about finding lost dogs in the area. Phone no is on their entry here:

http://www.petrescue.com.au/groups/10025

We're close to the borders with Moreton Bay Council. I was at a meeting inside their boundaries recently.... & found a lovely well-cared for Border Collie playing alone in the park nearby. I couldn't drive away & leave her (just over the hill was a 4 lane busy road).

She had a phone no on her collar ... but I didn't have my mobile. I rang the Council from the meeting venue... & the officer who answered was very helpful & understanding. She tried the phone no. No answer. Tried again & again.

Speaking only for herself, she asked me could I take the dog home, while still trying to get the owner to answer. As I was not going straight home.... couldn't do that. So she alerted the dog control people. Went back to the park.... & there was the owner playing with the BC And talking on his mobile!!!

Told him what'd happened & asked him to phone the Council and tell them the dog was now safe. It was his habit it seemed to let his dog go ahead of him when going to the park.... & he'd got distracted by a phone call. So she was in the park alone for some time.

Thank you Mita. Hopefully he has a chance, whether that be finding his family or finding a new one.

Can anyone tell me what the legalities are surrounding what to do with a found dog?

He was here overnight, but it is not a permanent option as my own dog cannot go into the backyard at all with him here, nor can my children. I have him plastered all over the local FB sites but am being inundated with people telling me to surrender him to a rescue rather than take him to the Dakabin RSPCA (which serves as our local pound) as he will only be *killed* at the RSPCA come Friday.

Is that legal?

On the one hand he seems like a lovely old dog, and I am upset that he may be put down at the RSPCA as I am not entirely convinced he will have owners looking for him given his poor condition BUT if I was looking for my missing dog that is where I would go to find her, so on the chance that he DOES have owners, the RSPCA would be the best place for him...

I always thought that legally people HAD to surrender found dogs to their local council pound??

I have heard people claiming that their vets advised not to microchip the very tiny puppies, perhaps that is what happened here and she forgot to get it done once the dog got a little bigger.

Not saying that is legitimate but some people will say anything and some people will believe anything they are told...

I hope the little dog is found and returned.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/two-children-injured-after-attack-by-rottweiler-dog-roaming-streets-at-caboolture-north-of-brisbane/story-fndo4ckr-1226604343832

TWO children have been attacked by a dog roaming the streets in Caboolture, north of Brisbane.

A 7-year-old girl and a 5-year-old boy have been taken to the Royal Children’s Hospital following the attack about 9.15am Sunday.

An emergency services spokeswoman said the dog was a Rottweiler and was believed to have been roaming the streets alone.

The young girl was in a stable condition suffering from facial wounds while the young boy had arm and back injuries.

He also was in a stable condition.

Police said Moreton Bay Regional Council were investigating the incident.

A spokesman for the Moreton Bay Regional Council has confirmed the dog has been caught.

He said other information was limited but the dog was "in the custody of a Council Community Response Officer".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b24E-hZcAIA

What state are you in?

In nsw it's under the companion animal act.

Thanks, I am in QLD. Will check out the Companion Animal Act, thanks.

I know the general consensus on these boards is that it is illegal to keep a stray and NOT turn it over to be impounded by council...

Is there ACTUAL legislation to that effect? Can anyone link me to it please?

Thanks

When. Will. People. Learn. What does it take? Weather it was unrestrained dog, unsupervised child, poorly trained dog/trained hunting dog or a combination... both owners and parents need to take that responsibility. Thoughts are with the little girl for a speedy recovery.

THIS ^^^^^!!!!!!!! I could not agree more.

As a parent, I am responsible for the well being of my children. If I needed to be on a property with my children and there were large (or any size for that matter) dogs, and quite a few of them, I would request that the owner restrain them or contain them. If they could not do this I would not enter, I would choose NOT to place my children at risk. At the end of the day a young child and a pack of dogs just do not mix.

Restraining or containing the dogs should have been done by the owners of the property before a strange person and child entered. My dog is neither a hunting dog nor dangerous but if someone I don't know needs to come into the yard, whether they are an adult or one of the kids friends, then I will put my girl on a leash and keep her with me or pop her in the garage. She is brilliant with kids, ok with strangers but prevention is better than cure and I am protecting HER as much as the people in my actions.

The property owners obviously reacted to the situation quickly and appropriately and contributed to saving that poor little girls life. I cannot comment on whether or not "charges" should be laid because, without knowing ALL the details surrounding the events we just cannot comment on blame. There are just too many ways that they events could have unfolded.

At the end of the day ALL the adults on that property, including and especially the father, failed in their duty of care to that little girl. I really hope she recovers quickly and doesn't have too many physical and emotional scars from what happened.

a lack of training doesnt create a dog that lashes out and latches on. That is genetics and from my guess the pup didnt come from the best of breeders.

Jane is very experienced and fair but ultimately it is up to them whether they take advice or not, or what they do with the dog. PTS decisions are also on behalf of dog and owner. Frankly any dog that has done this at 6 months I would loathe to recommend to be rehomed, and if they don't want to keep it there are few options for dogs that are HA.

When it comes to being unstable the owners have to realise this is a dog that will probably require a lot of ongoing management, forever. They have to leave the lovey hat off and put the rational hat on instead when making decisions about the dogs long term future (I'm talking after assessment, not me telling them what to do as I have not seen the dog)

They are not talking about rehoming. The tone of the conversation that I got was "He's great/perfect in every way... but he bites over food". I don't think they, as owners, think this is a deal breaker as it is now. If that makes any sense? What I meant by "major incident" was I think he would have to be full grown and biting for it to get to the point of PTS for them. They are very attached to him and love him very much and I am not sure if they will be able to separate that and make a logical choice on it....at least not yet. That is assuming it is as bad as it sounds/sounded and that becomes a necessary option to consider.

I do agree though. He is going to need to be worked on and managed for his entire adult life with this kind of behavior exhibited so young.

a major incident.

biting to the extent of having to have jaws prised open does it for me.

Did the owner need medical attention ?

Not that I am aware of. That was how she phrased it when telling me over the phone and I didn't question for specific details so I really cannot offer anything more accurate than that.

MITA- Thanks so much for that phone number I will call her this evening and pass the information along.

Hopefully it won't come to that and that it is just inexperienced (although well intentioned) handling. I just hope they call Jane and that she will be able to help. They really adore this little guy and I don't know if they would be able to PTS before a major incident... If Jane feels the pup is just too unstable, would she recommend euthanasia?

Either way before PTS is even a considerable option he should be thoroughly assessed by a professional.

Thank you all, I have passed Jane's contact info on and STRONGLY advised my cousin to call NOW. It definitely is concerning behavior especially being so young a pup. She also described that one of the bites, her BF had to pry pups jaws open to get him off his arm .

There are no children in the home and as far as I know they are not intending to have any any time soon. They are great owners, and are trying to do everything right with puppy preschool etc. but they do not have the knowledge to deal with this without professional help IMO so I am just really hoping they will chase Jane up and get started ASAP.

Thanks again for the suggestions.

Thanks, I have passed on the details although the website is being flagged by my anitvirus as an attack site! It was picking up lots of trojans off there

Anyone?

Hi all,

My cousin has a 6 month old Labrador X German Shepherd pup who is resource guarding to the point of biting (and drawing blood) on his owners. They are looking for a GOOD behaviorist in their area to help them deal with the issues.

Thanks

Qld legislation statews that all animals are to be microchipped before ownership changes, so those thinking they are being clever are actually breaking the law.

ETA- Looks like you are right. Huh! Unfortunately it is not enforced at all, at any level so it really makes no difference in the long run. Cheers for the correction though.

I am pretty sure in QLD you cannot sell a puppy under 6 weeks old but if you sell a puppy after 8weeks old it legally needs to be microchipped. This is causing the phenomenon of "breeders (BYB & puppy mill)" selling their puppies between 6-8weeks so to avoid the necessity and added expense of microchipping.