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A well written paper . . . thoughtful conclusions. The data shown tend to make me angry with the anti-BSL people who jump on others saying that 'any breed can bite' and APBTs are no more dangerous than a Labrador, etc.
There does seem to be a problem with bull terrier types and Rottis. I . . . and a few other breeds. I agree with Sachs that BSL is not the way to address it. But denial is a bad idea. And the worse the denial, the more likely it is that society will resort to BSL.
I keep coming across anti-BSL discussions saying this or that data are biased and the CDC data show that breed does not predict propensity to attack. I was just on the CDC site and the only dog attack data I could find was a paper by Sachs et al that is rather damning to the pitti and rotti. http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dog50.pdfWhere is the data that are supposed to be unbiased?
Yep and here is the data through to 1998 from the same author.
I'm still on the fence with BSL. I'm not sure which way to go but with the current situation with bull breed/crosses attacks the public demand action.
It's amazing that when people see statistics that don't suit their purpose then they'll pick it to pieces (as in what sandgrubber posted) yet if they see one where bull breeds/crosses arn't in the top 10 (havn't seen one of those yet) they'll wave it around for the whole world to see.
The tenacity and aggression in the APBT"S (again I only mention this bull breed because it's the one I am most familiar with) could be reduced substantially through proper breeding practice but from the 1980's imports till now that is not many generations. PLUS the breed didn't have the opportunity with BSL. Excepting of course the underground breeders which again won't do the breed any favors by breeding APBT's illegally. I'm sure the ones that frequent here hate me mentioning it and hate it every time I do.
When I don't agree with what was mentioned in the "news" forum, instead of addressing my point:
"APBT's are not for the "average joe" dog owner.
Not ONE person addressed that. Instead posts get selectively misquoted and insults such as
"bog ignorant"
"uneducated and illiterate"
then t-shirt quotes of "judge the deed, not the breed"
People who post on these forums need to be aware that the journalists read these forums as do the general public. I can't remember if it was the Geelong Adi or the Herald Sun but the Australian dog forums were referred to in their newspaper article.
If the DoL people are the same people that are at the forefront of anti-BSL campaigning then they havn't got a hope in Hades of changing BSL legislation with their attitude.
I concur. The Sachs study is thorough, measured and "well" conducted. If it doesn't suit a view point it will instantly be denigrated and another study supporting the view will be posted as an example of robust science.
I don't think BSL will work in the same way that prohibition didn't solve the problems caused by excess alcohol comsumption.
BUT it is so frustrating every time a particular breed is implicated in an attack to see the same tired responses. First denial that it could have been that breed, then mud slinging on the victim suggesting they have provoked the attack and hence deserved to be mauled, then the T-shirt slogans etc etc etc.
Measured, intelligent, articulate responses did much to remove restrictions on GSD and greyhounds. If only some breed enthusiasts would listen.
When we paint dogs as these passive blank canvases whose make ups are totally dependent on their socialisation and training we undermine one of the great attributes that selective breeding has brought us as well as doing the individual dogs a disservice. They each come with their own personality.
Sadly I often find myself agreeing with the authors of the TBL webpage in their assessment of those who embrace anti-intellectualism....
Anti-intellectualism the bludgeoning device the bogan deploys against the nerds of the adult world. It affords the bogan the opportunity to validate its poorly-informed opinion on complex issues, by stating that a lifetime of studying the subject at hand actually serves as an impediment to any ivory tower elitist’s analysis. The bogan believes its knowledge of the ‘Real World’ (which is limited to Today Tonight, explosive domestic arguments, and last summer’s trip to Dreamworld) trumps the intellectual’s access to the university’s considerable research resources and decades of wide reading within the field. -
I keep coming across anti-BSL discussions saying this or that data are biased and the CDC data show that breed does not predict propensity to attack. I was just on the CDC site and the only dog attack data I could find was a paper by Sachs et al that is rather damning to the pitti and rotti. http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dog50.pdf
Where is the data that are supposed to be unbiased?
Yep and here is the data through to 1998 from the same author.
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He's wearing undies. Where's the dedication to streaking? Terrible!
Oh believe me he is a dedicated streaker. A professional if you can believe it. People pay him to advertise and then streak at events.
His name is Mark Roberts and he has streaked at events all over the world.
Have a look here
Hard to believe I know.
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Its not raining yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!going for a quick ride at castle hill (too wet everywhere else) then taking the dogs for a run........hopefully it wont rain in between me typing and getting to the front door
Finally stopped raining. Went for another little ride and run last night after completing construction of a family sized ark. So wet. looking better this morning.
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Thanks team
Got some salmon heads, whiting and a few mackeral bits and pieces.
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Hello All
I am cooking for a dinner party tonight and am off to the Fish Markets this morning in search of something worthy of my culinary skills
I was thinking I could take the chance to pick up some whole raw fish for my whippet. He is currently on a raw diet... Barf Patties, RMB, Some blended veges and tinned sardines.
Any guidance on what I should be looking for? Will the little fish bones get stuck in his throat? Should I gut and scale them? What species?
Any tips?
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Did the daily walk this morning. Couple of K loop around to the off leash area then a fair bit (20 * 40m) of sprinting chasing a ball, then came home and did another bit next to the bike. Pulling a little bit this morning until we stopped a few times to work out who was going to be in charge:)
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where i take my two x country running has 2 huge full swimming holes at the moment. for the last 2 days we have actually got our morning runs in and they have just swam solid for about 20 minutes on top of their run. Jones just floats, cause he looks like a seal at the moment, and poor megs nearly drowns trying to stay out deep with him
Woops. Did another 5 km loop on Sunday night. All good though very wet about. My boy seems to love it. Ears back and locks into a rhythm. Might go for a run with him later tonight.
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The "30 day money back guarantee" appears to be only for faulty workmanship, not if the product doesn't work. The rest of the FAQ reads like a lot of hocus pocus to me with lots of disclaimers in case it doesn't work.
I've spoken with the Shoo Tag people - their product is not going to work in every and all circumstances. Generally speaking, if infestation is high, the tags might be insufficient. They report they have had people who even in high infestation areas, have informed them their dogs didn't seem to be attracting (eg) fleas. But they've had the reverse as well. When I spoke with them, they seemed honest and upfront about the fact that whilst they do get many successes, they admit to some situations not being as effective or successful at all.
If I had a flea issue, I would probably like to try the Shoo Tag - if it worked, then it is something that means I do not need to apply or administer any drugs to control them. If it didn't, then at least I would know.
I have PM'd the OP, as I am trialling the Shoo Tag to determine usefulness. It will only be a small trial, because I only have a couple, but I have offered the OP to send the tag to her to trial - the only conditions being that she adheres strictly to the directions for use of the tag and promises me to provide me with regular reports regarding progress/outcome.
In areas where paralysis tick is a liklihood, I would not be prepared to 'try it out' on my dog to see if it works though.
Hi guys I have been meaning to get back to you about my "trial" with the shootag. It is a bit difficult to generalise from an experience with just one dog so please take my account as just that. It is by no means a perfect trial.
I put two shootags on my dog. One for fleas and one for ticks. He is a whippet and at the time I put them on about 10 months old. Before he had the shootags he had never had a flea or tick and I had applied advantix to him about ever 8 weeks. I am not keen on lots of chemical treatments. Being a whippet he is fastidiously clean and is mainly inside when he is not out walking.
After putting the shootags on he remained tick and flea free for about 6 weeks and then we went on holidays to a pet friendly house at Tallows Beach at Byron Bay. There must have been a previous doggy visitor there with fleas as the little courtyard had a bit of an infestation. It took 24 hours of our boy going to the courtyard for toilet breaks before he had a lot of fleas (50+ ?).
Now I don't know if he had less than he would have without the shootags or not. He had fleas. As the Byron area in December was supposed to be a bit of a hot spot for ticks I was a bit worried that if fleas could get on him so might ticks (even though it is easy to check him over after each walk). I gave him a flea and tick bath. Waited a day and then advantixed him up again. Shootags in the bin.
I remain interested in whether they are an effective control.
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Thanks for the input Dyzney. Great to have your thoughts.
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I've taken the plunge and started adding a short jog to my daily walk with Ziggy ;)
I haven't run for about 6 years since I injured my back so the muscles ached dreadfully
While it did stir my back injury up I'm *hoping* that it will be better than leaning over a bike for 20kms. Will take it very easy and slowly for the next few weeks! And jogging will be, logistically, SO much easier to train for than cycling 
All praise to you!! I can't imagine running the full 20km. There may be smoke coming out of one of my knees and my tiny lungs would be protesting. Riding 20 km on the other hand...... I commute 30 km a day (15km each way) and often can't remember any of the trip as I have been day dreaming all the way. You might be able to fiddle with the set up of your bike to take the pressure off your back. Pavement pounding is going to be rough on a bad back.
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OK.... in the interest of keeping the thread moving........
Took my boy out yesterday afternoon for his first trot next to the bicycle. Went very well. Only concern is that he is so used to heeling close to my leg he had to adjust to what I considered a safer distance away from me on the bike. Only went about 2 km in total mostly on grass but he was obviously having to concentrate on what he was doing as he had a big snooze straight after.
Anyone had a puncture during the test?
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Good.. Whippet pup being taught to approach children and sit (rather than leap and zoomie all over them)
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Well Gap was challenging this morn. Gotta love those tree roots in the wet....did my quick 30k minus the dog:-). oops new i forgot something....nah ill take him out this arv for a nice lil 10k run( i'll run not ride). He can sort of cope with that at the moment with a few drink stops . At least its cooler here at the moment.
Oh I am very jealous. I was supervising a game of fairies..... Did get in about a 5k dog walk this morning and a run with him last night. Concluded that I will be on the bike for the 20 km. Would be embarrassing to have myself ruled out by a high heart at the 14 km mark.
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by the way this is the dog in question to do the endurance:-) do you think he has it in him. He wont be 2 until the end of the year thank goodness ive got time up my sleevewhat sort of dog /dogs do you have bryan. better ask that questions since we're not on mtb dirt :-)
Looks ideal. What a repose. We know that recovery sessions are critical to a training programme so he seems to have that well and truly covered. I have a whippet who won't turn 2 until early in 2011. So again lots of time to see whether it is something that he would enjoy doing.
And yes I am frequent lurker on MTBDIRT and post occasionally. Interesting to contrast and compare the two forums.
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I did an Endurance Test last year and started training 3 months before, I gradually increased the distance to about 5/7 ks a day at a speed of 10ks per hour, Riley was taken swimming once a week and would swim for about 15/20 mins . He was trained on 3 surfaces and I also conditioned his pads daily. We also walked a minimum of 2.5ks daily.
He passed the test with flying colors.
Invest in a good comfy bike seat and bike shorts help you bum lots to.
Good luck
Alright that's it, I'm out, I refuse to wear bike shorts
Other competitors would be thankful for that just get a pair of bike knicks and put normal shorts over the top
Or you can buy some mountain bike shorts - they have built in knicks under the shorts and it just looks like you're wearing shorts. The knicks under normal shorts is probably cheaper though.
Good news. Lets hope we can a get little group on DOL interested and share experiences along the way. The bike part the easy bit for me too. Perhaps I have bumped into you whizzing around Gap Creek or up at the Flight Centre Epic. Good to know there is another XC mtb rider on here!I used to do downhill and xc. Had some pretty bad injuries a couple years back and haven't ridden for 18 months (lack of time and I don't want any more broken limbs!) My poor bike (like yours, costs the same as a small car!) has been sitting in the shed. :D I'll be riding my cheapo hardtail for the ET.
sounds like my OH. He's had that many bad accidents from downhill and moto dirt bike, its a wonder im not pushing him around. gotta love the dirt though.......he has no jugular vein on one side and shoulder is wrecked. his hip is not existent just about, and every other limb has been stuffed up somehow:-)
You two have me well and truly covered in terms of bike bling and hospital admissions!!
I'm on a trek hardtail which I have greatly souped up with judicious internet purchasing raids and team it with a riding style best described as conservative
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Any takers for 2011 in Queensland? I am hoping to complete the ET then as my boy will be old enough.
Please keep us all up to date with your training and experiences along the way. All information very welcome.
I am more expert in the world of bikes than I am in the world of dogs so if anyone wants any help bike wise I might be able to help you out.
i am bryan_mannix. im a taker for 2011. The bikes dont worry me as i have ridden them for 25years, i ride endurance mountain biking every week, so anyone want tips on keeping it together just let me know:-) i was thinking of running it as i used to do 1/2 marathons years ago.
Good news. Lets hope we can a get little group on DOL interested and share experiences along the way. The bike part the easy bit for me too. Perhaps I have bumped into you whizzing around Gap Creek or up at the Flight Centre Epic. Good to know there is another XC mtb rider on here!
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Any takers for 2011 in Queensland? I am hoping to complete the ET then as my boy will be old enough.
Please keep us all up to date with your training and experiences along the way. All information very welcome.
I am more expert in the world of bikes than I am in the world of dogs so if anyone wants any help bike wise I might be able to help you out.
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Thanks guys
I will head out to bunnings tomorrow and have a look at them but that sounds like it could be a goer.
Cheers
In this photo you can sort of see the bunning's compost fencing zip tied to a crate which worked very well for us through the puppy stage.
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Quote Steve
I'm sure she would expect nothing less of me and would understand but I do think there are probably some things to be gained by treating each other with respect and sharing principals and science resources in canine husbandry. Id like to think that even though we have differences in our goals we could still benefit more by seeing what we might have in common rather than bring what we disagree on to the table.Careful Steve. You are going against the DOL grain if you start making intelligent, reflective, conciliatory comments which may benefit the future of purebred dogs
And to top it off you were actually there to listen to the presenters. Imagine making informed comments!!! rather than throwing opinions about based on hearsay.
Thanks for making the time and effort to go, for participating in a productive manner and taking the time to report back to us all.
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What is their definition of a good dog though?
He He. I was wondering how long it would take for you to weigh in with some negative barb. My world is not as full of gloom and conspiracies
Probably a good idea to wait for the transcripts of the seminar before we all go off half cocked.
It is an interesting thought though that there is a problem when it is the responsible breeders (by my definition ones that are producing very healthy, well adjusted dogs) that are also desexing the majority of their dogs when the rotten breeders perpetuating health problems in dogs are also sending them off into the world entire and into the hands of BYB and puppy farms.
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Could be the backing of a disgruntled gardner. He always fancied himself as running an organisation in opposition to the ANKC. Remember when he asked registered breeders to join him in another organisation?
In hindsight, I think it would have been an excellent idea.
The "old boys" running the CCs seem to be lost in the 19th century, with shows and afternoon teas, and nice registrations. They haven't demonstrated any ability to cope with, and steer their organisations through the stormy waters of 2000s. I think the gardener could do that, and do it well.
He'd prefer a heap of ANKC dogs to some abbadabbadoo ones. After all, his promotion of DD was simply to spite the ANKC
*scuttles down the back to hide*
Jed!! This is out of character! Have you been picking your own mushrooms
I concur.
Though would a d*ckhead become a good di*ckhead if he was on our side. Certainly he has the political ability, media savyness and streak of stubbornness that would be required.
Give him a ring!
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I haven't watched the video so can't comment on it. But these comments from the screed below it seem quite sensible to me
What is a designer dog?Well, it is actually a cross-bred and they are not officially considered a 'breed'. Attitudes to dogs that have parents from two different breeds have really changed in the last ten years. They are often seen as bringing the best of the breeds together but it can also bring out the worst if two dogs have the same hereditary problem such as hip dysplasia.
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If they are crossed with a larger dog such as a Labrador or a Golden Retriever, the resulting Labradoodle or Groodle will be a large, energetic dog that requires lots of exercise, clipping and grooming.yep
When choosing a cross-bred puppy, meeting the parents is the best thing you can do. Consider whether one or other of their parents would suit you and if you are happy with the temperament. Also consider the puppy's likely temperament, exercise needs, grooming requirements, energy levels and whether it is mainly going to be an indoor or an outdoor dog. It is ridiculous to pay more than $1000 when you know little information about the pup you are buying.yep
However, if you are crossing two breeds which are predisposed to a condition that shows in their bloodline, you will certainly be setting up future generations for problems and heartbreak for owners.yep
Remember there are plenty of cross breeds at your local RSPCA shelter that don't have the fancy names and clever marketing behind them but make just as wonderful a pet.yep
Its not all doom and gloom people!
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To quote from the site linked above
What is a designer dog?Well, it is actually a cross-bred and they are not officially considered a 'breed'. Attitudes to dogs that have parents from two different breeds have really changed in the last ten years. They are often seen as bringing the best of the breeds together but it can also bring out the worst if two dogs have the same hereditary problem such as hip dysplasia.
Why the popularity?
People look for pets that they perceive will be well suited to their living arrangements and lifestyle. The 'oodles' are very popular because it is likely that they will have a non-shedding coat but often cross-breeds are popular just because they are active, smart dogs that may be easier to care for than some of the pure-bred dogs. Unfortunately, many people fall for a cute 'made up' breed name and a bundle of fluff.
What are they like?
They can be fantastic pets. Any of the 'oodles' are part Poodle and Poodles are energetic, athletic dogs that make great family pets. Their coats may be non-shedding but they still require grooming and regular clipping. If they are crossed with a larger dog such as a Labrador or a Golden Retriever, the resulting Labradoodle or Groodle will be a large, energetic dog that requires lots of exercise, clipping and grooming.
How do I choose one?
When choosing a cross-bred puppy, meeting the parents is the best thing you can do. Consider whether one or other of their parents would suit you and if you are happy with the temperament. Also consider the puppy's likely temperament, exercise needs, grooming requirements, energy levels and whether it is mainly going to be an indoor or an outdoor dog. It is ridiculous to pay more than $1000 when you know little information about the pup you are buying.
Do they get health problems?
We have seen that crossing breeds which are not prone to the same disorders, such as hip dysplasia, eye problems etc, can reduce the chance of it appearing in any of the pups. However, if you are crossing two breeds which are predisposed to a condition that shows in their bloodline, you will certainly be setting up future generations for problems and heartbreak for owners.
The most important things dog breeders should strive to produce healthy, hardy and robust animals. Remember designer dogs are still a cross breed - albeit a carefully managed cross breed. Remember there are plenty of cross breeds at your local RSPCA shelter that don't have the fancy names and clever marketing behind them but make just as wonderful a pet.
There is an organization that has recently been set up of pet dog breeders aiming to promote responsible breeding of pet dogs such as designer dogs. More information can be found at www.petnet.com.au.
Cdc Data On Dog Attacks
in General Dog Discussion
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Dog attack deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada September 1982 to November 13, 2006
Merritt Clifton
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