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So many hugs to you Halledaisy and other members of your family and of course Daisy. Many here are following the same path in one way and another and I am sure those who read your posts of your journey have been or will be helped by them and also the invaluable advice from the other very friendly forum members here.

Michelle.. RIP Halle

I cannot thankyou all enough for helping clear my mind. I have made a appointment with another vet for Saturday morning and the receptionist seemed very puzzled by what I told her as to my limited to nothing choices and info. She will of course contact the other vet to get the results. I knew that I just could not go back to that other vet no matter which decision I made I had felt so terribly uncomfortable. I live in the Mid-North of SA so it is harder to get to town than the norm, have also looked up holistic vets none near us but have written info re Pugmum for the specialist centre in Adelaide.

Rest assured this time I am going in armed with the right questions, helpfully given to me by you all. If I have to make that awful decision then at least I feel I have tried.

My thoughts are with you today Pugmum and little Maggie Hugz.

We are in Canberra and dealt with All Natural Vet Care in Sydney via email, phone and fax - worked out great for us. Our vet used to fax them all Ollie's results and they treated him from a distance... I talked to them on the phone, explaining what was going on, how he was, what he ate etc and they planned all his supplements based on the info supplied by me, the vet and the canine oncologist - who just happened to be in Brisbane... Rod Straw is an amazing man and has a great team to help him (oncologist)...

Good luck and keep us updated

Ah yes just Googled another good option at least I can see some positive alternate directions now. Thankyou will kep you all posted

I know of a alternative medicine vet in Adelaide but ive never been in to see him, so cant say how good or bad he is.

Here is the link here:

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I hope this can be of help to you.

Thankyou pepi, although I have it only showing in NSW although you can have phone advice.

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I hope all goes well for your boy, these furry kids of ours can be such a worry can't they.

I cannot thankyou all enough for helping clear my mind. I have made a appointment with another vet for Saturday morning and the receptionist seemed very puzzled by what I told her as to my limited to nothing choices and info. She will of course contact the other vet to get the results. I knew that I just could not go back to that other vet no matter which decision I made I had felt so terribly uncomfortable. I live in the Mid-North of SA so it is harder to get to town than the norm, have also looked up holistic vets none near us but have written info re Pugmum for the specialist centre in Adelaide.

Rest assured this time I am going in armed with the right questions, helpfully given to me by you all. If I have to make that awful decision then at least I feel I have tried.

My thoughts are with you today Pugmum and little Maggie Hugz.

Hi Michelle,

So sorry to hear about Matey's diagnosis it really is the pits and your head is in a whirl trying to deal with it all and trying so hard for your baby to be doing the very best for them as quickly as possible.

Is Matey's paw the only tumour or are others suspected. Can I ask exactly what your vet has recommended any suggestion of surgery at all? Or radiation to shrink the tumour if this is at all possible.

Hi Jesterbelle, have answered more questions in Staffyluvs post, I have not been told or noticed any more lumps and I have certainly looked and felt was not offered radiation.

Staffyluv has a wonderful insight and experience with MCT and is just so wonderfully willing to share her experience and opinions. She was my lifeline of support when my crisis was happening.

I have posted my journey with Vada today with her MCT and I have another stafford that was recently diagnosed with another type of tumour on her leg that radiation and maybe amputation may be a consideration.

Best wishes and hugs to you and Matey

Thankyou for your help and kind words

What was the diagnosis? Mast Cell Grade 1/2/3 - did they remove the tumour? if so was there clear margins? Is there only 1 tumour site? did they check the lymph nodes closest to the tumour?

The tumour is on the bottom totally now on the paw of his left back leg, it was not removed the vet I saw said it could not be removed from there ?? Diagnosis from biopsy; Aggressive Mast cell carcinoma may have already travelled up his leg. No mention of checking Lymph nodes. No category grade given.

Sorry for all the questions but it is easier to answer if we know what the dog has been dxd with

There is no reason why the dog cannot do chemo at 14 IMO - but the vet may have a reason other than age, I would ask.

Personally I think the vet was annoyed with me because I had left it a couple of weeks while trying to, what I thought was to remove possibly an ingrown grass seed, so is my fault. She stated if it is cancer we will euthanase, if it is benign we will remove the leg. This had totally thrown me , no mention at all other than to put him down if it was cancer. When a different vet told me the report last Friday I was so upset I asked no questions and still havent.

Grade 1 is usually fine with just removal of the tumour, grade 2 can act like a grade 1 or a grade 3 depending on the tumour... Grade 3 if removed can also be OK (if clear margins are obtained)... However the chance of recurrence is higher with grade 3 than with grade 1.

Limit carbs, carbs feeds cancer. Veg is fine but no pasta, rice, cereals or grains.

Have followed this since reading Ollies post and also fresh fish and Sardines, egg cooked and raw, Fish oil supplement.

If no surgery and chemo is out, see an holistic vet to get chinese herbs and supplements. Vitamin C is a wonderful tonic for dogs and was the first thing Ollie was put on - 1000mg a day... Flax is a good oil to give - we use it with cottage cheese or yoghurt...

Will get the Vit C and flax, I also am now thinking that I will go and get another vets opinion

Read Ollie's thread if you have not had a chance - there is heaps of info in there. He is MCT grade 2, no clear margins on excision and already systemic (it was in his lymph nodes closest to the tumour site)... He was initially give 12-18 months.. it has been 5 years in October/November this year.. He had aggressive chemo at 8 years old for 6 months as has been treated holistically since diagnosed with supplements and herbs...

MCT can do very well...

Thankyou for your advice I am so very grateful

Was the prognosis for Matey today. I haven't been offered chemo etc as he is 14. At the moment like pugmum said, he still appears healthy and pain free and is eating well.

I am seeking alternate therapy knowing this is no cure but may give us a little extra time, putting off the inviteable I guess. The tumour is on the bottom of his paw so I will keep cleaning and dressing daily as I have been. I have him on meat and veg only and fish raw x 2 weekly. Still giving him a raw egg twice weekly and 2 fish oil caps and Garlic daily

Any other advice would be appreciated.

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Sorry to hear about Matey - its the pits

I see you are in SA too - I'm struggling to find anything but conventional vets here. I heard Marni's Herbal had a pet specialist and I went there the other day. I didn't see the person I went to see, but I was seriously disapointed with the attitide and service I got (or didn't get to be more precise). So, I'm winging it. I have Maggie on Essiac tea twice a day. Its apparently meant to help with tumours, but basically detoxes so that the body can put more into repairing itself.

As you'd be aware, the internet can be a great source of information - but theres no guarantee that anything you read is correct. The reason i am going with the essiac is because my sister in laws dog was diagnosed with cancer on her tonsils that spread and was apparetnly untreatable. She used essiac and the dog lived for 5 more years. This was a while ago - most likely before they were treating any dogs for cancer here.

At worst the essiac should make Maggie feel well and help keep her healthy. See what you think, or maybe give the correct person at Marni's a visit and see if they can recommend some supplements, it was there that they recommended essiac for my SIL years ago.

best wishes,

Brigitte (pugmum)

Hi Brigitte,

Thankyou so much for your kind words, I feel in a dreadful conundrum atm The tumour is growing very large and weepy since the biopsy I am bathing daily as I have all along,putting medi-honey on a dressing applying and then bandaging. I have to tape a clean sock on top to keep the little devil from licking it off, actually I think he likes the honey LOL. I contacted a homeopathic company recommended to me by a friend and have ordered with their advice the product with these herbs etc in.

"I prepare a specific herbal Mast Cell Cancer support mixture of concentrated extracts of: Bladderack, Comfrey, Dandelion, Golden Seal, Parsley, Rosehips and Violet Leaves along with appropriate Bach Flower Remedies.

This mix is given in conjunction with my Super Antioxident Maritime Pine Bark Antioxidant and together they have the potential to slow down and reverse the development of Mast Cell Cancer bringing it into remission"

I am going to research essiac and will see if I can give it in conjunction with this. I am waiting also for a friend a Registered Nurse who was fantastic in clearing up shocking leg ulcer wounds in the elderly and then left to study veterinary science.

My other worry is I am going in for a major shoulder op early April and I don't know if my daughter could take over the dressings Anyhoo I am following as close as I can the Cancer diet recommended here. We virtually carry Matey everywhere he needs to go, outside and feeding etc I might add he is lapping this up.He still appears not to be in pain,is eating very well.

Will fill you in when I have more news. Thankyou again.

Glad to hear all has gone well today for Ruby and for you.

Was the prognosis for Matey today. I haven't been offered chemo etc as he is 14. At the moment like pugmum said, he still appears healthy and pain free and is eating well.

I am seeking alternate therapy knowing this is no cure but may give us a little extra time, putting off the inviteable I guess. The tumour is on the bottom of his paw so I will keep cleaning and dressing daily as I have been. I have him on meat and veg only and fish raw x 2 weekly. Still giving him a raw egg twice weekly and 2 fish oil caps and Garlic daily

Any other advice would be appreciated.

Michelle

Hi,

My 9 yo pug Maggie, has just been diagnosed with TCC. the cancer is near and in the urethra and is inoperable. Apparently chemo will help make her more comfortable and possibly buy her some time. The chemo will be by IV one day every 3 weeks.

As all of you in here would know, its hard to think straight when your heart is breaking.

Has anyone else had any expereince with this - what questions should I be asking the vet, and is there anything I could be doing ?

I started her on essiac tea today...just to be doing something......

thanks

Brigitte

Hugs to you Pugmum,for today I have been given the same news not the same Cancer though.

Hugs to you both and your beloved dogs I sincerely hope you have happy outcomes.

I was wondering if you could explain the statement carbohydrates "feed the cancer" and grains are a no no. as i am new to all of this I am trying to gain as much info as I can.

Yes feisty! It was one of the things I used to battle my old girls tumors. I'm actually also looking for that too - another product I used to get from the Melbourne mob

BTW in case anyone's getting confused. There is a difference between grape seed extract and grapefruit seed extract - tho both are good!

Not sure if I am allowed to post this link so please remove Mods if not.

http://www.herbal-treatments.net/dog-cancer/

Spotty chick a friend recommended this person to me but admittedly has only used them due to his King Charles Cavalier having diabetes.

Sent an email and they are going to phone me for a consult I worry about quacks but am willing to try anything at tha moment

Michelle

<I am worried about the Egg white deficiency as I give my dog a raw egg every day with fish oil and garlic oil I better stop this!

Will give it him on his fish days. >

As long as you are feeding the whole egg that is fine. It's when you feed the white on it's own you can end up with a biotin deficiancy.

OH thankyou Gretel I thought I was causing him more health problems

Off to read some more feeding threads

HI

I feed for my lot 1 x raw fish meal a week , this is often canned tuna , pilchards , sardines fresh whiting the odd frozen cod when it is hot I replace the mince or RMB portion of their meal for that day with the equal amount of fish EG 47 kg rottie female will get 2 x 400gm tin of tuna and one small tin of sardines in oil,

for the staffy cattle cross will get 1 x tin tuna same size as the rottie and 1 x small tin sardines.

we mix this with egg and veggies slop .

As feeding large amounts of raw fish or egg white to dogs can create deficincy in their b vitimin levels as will liver you should not feed these things everyday once a week is enough for them to gain from it without it doing harm to them and they do love their fishies mind you I am not so keen on the fish kisses after dinner

Thankyou Scmoos boss, my dog is a Maltese x Shitsu weighing 8.6 Kg. I am regularly supplied with Garfish or Tommies for looking after a friends dog each day while he works so am lucky and will use some of that with Sardines and Tuna.

I am worried about the Egg white deficiency as I give my dog a raw egg every day with fish oil and garlic oil I better stop this!

Will give it him on his fish days.

Its helpful at fighting infections and drug-resistant bacteria, alkalising the body, treating candida, boosting the immune system, wound healing and can also be used as a safe disinfectant.

Hi spotty chick I cannot help you with a supplier but I have been spending a good bit of time researching natural health for my dog with his tumor. Grape seed extract comes a good bit,I know it cannot be a cure for him but may assist greatly along the way. For me too I think

Michelle

I have been reading the post on raw fish but am unsure how much and how often to feed

I have a neighbour who has an aging Akita cross. The dog is about 12 I believe but the owner doesnt believe in vets. As wrong as that it is I have noticed the old dog getting stiff in the legs (when getting up from a sleep for eg) Is there an off the shelf Glucosamine tablet I could offer to buy to make this dog a bit more comfortable? In the past ive clipped its nails for him, helped with a hotspot the dog had- I imagine this dog is a decent weight- my experience is just with the smaller dogs.

Hi redangel when my dog Matey started to stiffen up bit like his owner really LOL I started him on Fish oil and eventually it has been beneficialI give him the same brand as me but pierce the capsule and put the oil on his meat or with his raw egg

Am wondering how often fish can be fed, I give Matey Sardines and havent tried other fresh fish

As Staffyluv said I would have thought a needle aspirate first but you know you think the vet knows best and so they did a biopsy yesterday. Result due probably Wed due to public Hol. However I have decided either way to see this through I am going to get another opinion I will not have the whole leg removed for a non-cancerous tumour and if cancer then I am going to nurse him through it with appropriate pain medication as needed. My reasoning is at this stage he is not ill he hardly got in from the vets yesterday and he wanted to eat come what may.

He is always happy as long he is beside my self or my daughter even now he is cuddled in a rug on my bed,Comp is in my bedroom. Even when I am at work, I have rugs here and there so he always has warmth to lie on. He is one spoilt dog and boy don't we know it.

Take this one step at a time.

1. Biopsy. You can't make any decision until you know what you're dealing with.

2. If benign, can it be successfully removed? You don't know yet because the vet hasn't seen it.

3. Can you and your dog deal with an amputation. Dogs tend to take these things in their stride and provided your dog is healthy, he'd probably be fine.

The smaller these things are, the easier they are to deal with. Delay removes options.

I hope it's benign and removeable. Think through the options and talk to your vet.

Thankyou poodlefan. Totally agree one step at a time and until I have the biopsy result cant really say how I will feel. The tumour has gone large, very quickly from when I became aware of it, infact I am surprised Matey hadn't been limping sooner as by then it was almost the size of his paw but flatter, now it is more raised. According to the vet it cannot be removed. I can deal with the amputation am a nurse in the real world. My worry is will he! Fingers crossed. Thankyou also Snoopy and Becky for your input.

Hello everyone my name is Michelle. I have read your forum on and off for a long time gleaning bits of info and interesting advice but never did I think I would be asking this kind of advice.

My 14 year old male Maltese x Shitzu has a tumour very large on bottom of rear paw.I had finally psyched myself to get to the vet and if told it was cancer had made the decision to put him to sleep.

Vet threw me a curve ball if it is benign it cannot be removed successfully from where it is and he would have to have the leg removed, Crikey she also said that due to his age not to put him through the biopsy if I didnt feel I could go through with the op, but of course if cancer then we will euthenase.

I booked for the biopsy Friday but am terribly confused re this leg removal if benign. I am in a total confusion.

I really appreciate your comments