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The SBT's are on now, doing agility. :laugh: One was wagging it's tail so much you couldn't look at anything else.

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A TOORADIN puppy farmer has escaped conviction under new laws designed to stamp out puppy farming after a vet described him as far too kind for his own good.

Koo Wee Rup vet Luke Morrison told the court Derul Van Hollis and his wife Judy ran one of the best dog-breeding establishments he had encountered, with dogs well cared for even when well beyond breeding age.

"Mr Van Hollis could have made a lot more money if he'd got rid of them," he said. "As far as I was concerned, it's a totally inefficient business and that's due to their passion for looking after their animals."

In the Dandenong Magistrates Court last week, Mr Hollis and his company Demfield Pty Ltd pleaded guilty to 115 charges of running an unregistered breeding business and failing to comply with the code of practice for breeding and rearing establishments.

The case, brought by Casey Council, was the first prosecution in Victoria under 'Oscar's Law', named after a puppy rescued from a dog-breeding factory in central Victoria in 2011.

Magistrate Brian Barrow fined Demfield a total of $11,500 plus $6700 costs, but did not record a conviction or penalty against Mr Van Hollis. He said he was satisfied from the evidence that he was not one of the rogue puppy farmers targeted by Oscar's Law.

Prosecutor Brett Melke told the court council officers visited Mr Van Hollis' property on January 12 last year and found 112 unregistered dogs and 11 puppies on the premises.

Counsel for Mr Van Hollis, David Starvaggi, said this was not a case of animal cruelty. He said Mr Van Hollis had previously had a permit for 84 dogs but he had let certain regulatory matters lapse after his wife suffered a stroke.

Mr Barrow said it was clear from the evidence of Dr Morrison, and that of two other animal welfare experts, that Mr Van Hollis was highly conscientious in his care of his dogs.

Mrs Van Hollis gave a cry of relief when Mr Barrow said he would not make an order for the removal of the dogs "from what I'm satisfied is a caring environment".

He said Mr Van Hollis was entitled to benefit from his good record and discharged him without conviction or penalty on condition that he register the dogs and the business and comply with the code of practice.

Casey mayor Amanda Stapledon said the council was disappointed in the verdict, which did not reflect the council's repugnance about puppy farming.

Well as they are banned in several States - including SA, ACT and NSW - I can only presume that law is there for a reason whether you agree with it or not. Perhaps because of the potential for mis-use? I also presume that your "clients" are in Victoria and have a vet's authority for the use of one on this deaf dog?

Thanks for the info Lollipup - I wonder how many people have actually tried the collars on themselves?

Not to be rude but the OP didn't ask for your opinion on the collar, she asked for people's experience with an ecollar and a deaf dog.

Its not my "opinion" - its the law. This would be a pretty strange forum if opinion was banned anyway. Stepping away now - I have seen how people are flamed for saying anything negative about e-collars.

Seriously! You should do some research into them before you comment on something you clearly no nothing about.

Excuse me? Are you saying that they are not banned in certain States? If you are a trainer then you are showing your ignorance - better let the RSPCA know how wrong they are then.

http://kb.rspca.org.au/Is-the-use-of-electronic-dog-collars-legal_279.html

Can you please stop taking this thread off topic? If you want a discussion on whether it is illegal to use e collars, start a new topic. I personally was interested in some of the responses that this thread might get but you have totally taken it off course.

For a person that is a stickler for rules, maybe you should read the forum rule 12 which you agreed to when you joined.

Well as they are banned in several States - including SA, ACT and NSW - I can only presume that law is there for a reason whether you agree with it or not. Perhaps because of the potential for mis-use? I also presume that your "clients" are in Victoria and have a vet's authority for the use of one on this deaf dog?

Thanks for the info Lollipup - I wonder how many people have actually tried the collars on themselves?

Not to be rude but the OP didn't ask for your opinion on the collar, she asked for people's experience with an ecollar and a deaf dog.

you can train any intelligent dog to do what the human wants it to do.

People continally say this in regard to training dogs to be aggressive and bite which really couldn't be further from the truth. Unless an individual dog is genetically equipped to do so, at best you may get most dogs to bite if cornered and abused perhaps, but the ability to be actively aggressive is in the dogs genetics.

Where professional training of biting/attacking dogs is active, police, security, armed forces etc, a large proportion of individual dogs of breeds renowned for successfully training in these disciplines will not attack/bite people and consequently fail in that role, even dogs who are trained to bite sleeves and suits worn by people, many are biting/attacking in prey drive for reward of the equipment (tug toy) and will not bite/attack people without the equipment being worn regardless of the training to do otherwise. The German Shepherd is the most commonly used breed globally for professional biting/attacking working roles which is said to be only aorund 1% of the breed in general is genetically capable of being trained in such a role?

With that said in relation to Pit Bulls, yobbo's are often blamed for Pit Bull aggression by raising/training dogs to show aggression and ultimately bite, but the question is: Why are the yobbo's using Pit Bulls and not GSD and Rottweillers etc to create dangerous dogs? It's often said by anti BSL activists that the yobbos at breed ban will move onto something else on the basis that "any" dog can be trained to be dangerous?. The next question: How are the yobbos going to train just any dog or breed to fullfil a role that professional trainers can't achieve with the wrong dogs and breeds?

Is the Pit Bull type of dog easier genetically for the yobbo to extract aggression from, than other breeds, are they an easier dog to make dangerous? I don't know the answer to that from a BSL perspective, but is it to do with genetic capability to attack/bite being greater than other breeds being a reason for restriction?

Professional dog trainers aren't training for uncontrolled aggression. And personally I don't think many 'yobbos' go out of their way to train their dogs to be aggressive and most of the dogs aren't. And most of them are heinz variety mutts.

I was a teenager in the 80's, Rottweilers, GSD's and Bull Terriers were very popular dogs and with that went all the same 'issues' we have today with 'pitbulls'. Nothing changes if people don't follow the laws (containment, leash and registration laws).

If you defrost in the fridge the meat will be alright to refreeze.

So now all lapses in concentration causing a death can be excused because "someone forgot" or "wasn't paying attention"? Where do you draw the line?

A truck driver has a lapse in concentration, crosses his lane and kills a family on the road. That's OK though, it was only a concentration lapse. Plus he did charity work in his spare time so that doubly excuses him. Right?

Really?! People can't express empathy now? If he has done the wrong thing he will be punished, doesn't mean I can't understand how it happened or feel for the guy.

What I find interesting in the forgotten baby cases is that the parents are frequently not prosecuted, and when they are they frequently acquitted.

It seems when the full facts are considered, the courts often decide it is a genuine accident. Even in the face of baying for revenge by some. There but for the Grace of God.

Donatella, does your apology extend to calling me a troll?

Thank goodness for our justice system, while not perfect some people (as shown in this thread) would hang people on a sniff that they did something wrong. Judge, jury and executioner!

And as for making the comparison to nurses making error, who wouldn't have sympathy for a nurse who made an error that cost someone their life. Probably harder on themselves than anybody could be.

Hmmmm our justice system, what a joke that is. Perpetrators of the crimes seems to have more rights and decisions/viewpoints going in their favour than the poor victims. Lack of accountability and every excuse under the sun being trotted out to defend the perpetrators actions . How about standing up for the victims more, screaming out for justice for THEM instead!! This innocent victim doesn't have a voice, she doesn't have a life anymore, thanks to the negligence of her carer. I for one will not stand idly by and try and excuse this person's negligence by blaming it on some form of memory lapse/forgetfulness .

Lets not forget this poor dog DIED in the most HORRIBLE of circumstances This dog was going to provide a very valuable service and be the eyes for a poor blind/seeing impaired person.

Ok, so what would you like to happen to the guy who has probably spent a lot of time helping blind people?

And instead not standing idly by, what are you going to do?

Belle:

-Constantly puts her cold, wet nose on the back of your leg or your hand while you are walking along.

-Sits on your feet.

-Chases lizards to the point that she rips out the plants trying to get to them.

-Will knock you out of the way to get to her bed in the lounge because she must think I am going to sit on it!

-Has a drink and on the last mouthful she doesn't swallow but shakes her head which results in you getting covered in water and slobber.

-Randomly starts staring at you and making chewing noises (maybe she is sizing me up!)

-Has to turn around and sit facing away from you when she is getting her collar or lead on.

-Will get a squeaky toy and start playing with it at 3am.

-Barks at the crows.

What I find interesting in the forgotten baby cases is that the parents are frequently not prosecuted, and when they are they frequently acquitted.

It seems when the full facts are considered, the courts often decide it is a genuine accident. Even in the face of baying for revenge by some. There but for the Grace of God.

Donatella, does your apology extend to calling me a troll?

Thank goodness for our justice system, while not perfect some people (as shown in this thread) would hang people on a sniff that they did something wrong. Judge, jury and executioner!

And as for making the comparison to nurses making error, who wouldn't have sympathy for a nurse who made an error that cost someone their life. Probably harder on themselves than anybody could be.

So, what is "wrong" with using the nickname "staffy" for a purebred SBT??? Why the hell not....after all it's just a nickname...since when did a nickname have to be "correct"? By the very term "nickname" it's an affectionate shortening of the proper name. I have an SBT and I refer to him as a staffy.

It's a funny old world when even the shortened nicknames we choose to give our breeds are policed....who decides what we are "allowed" to referto our dogs as anyway? :)

Most people I know love staffys and think of them fondly, no matter if they are purebred or mutts! To me, it's a term of endearment.

And I love the black brindles but I'm biased :)

My concern is the over an hour every day? I suppose you only have the customer service person's word to go on though.

Also, track suit pants with high heels

This is absolutely disgusting. I hope they got a huge fine. If this were a child he would be going to jail.

Not necessarily. Yes they would be charged if it was a child but there is nothing to say that they would go to gaol. Plenty of people have charged with manslaughter and not gone to gaol.

And I am pretty sure if the Guide Dog officer was found negligent, the judge would have the ability to send them to gaol, not that I have ever heard of anyone being sent to gaol for animal cruelty.

As I said, as we don't know the whole story we can't really judge.

Mine sleep on a trampoline bed but when I check on them if I get up during the night, they are often sleeping on the concrete. It is actually quite nice outside at night here, if I could, I would sleep outside!

Once it starts getting a bit cool, they sleep inside.

Mine sleep outside in summer and inside in winter, usually in crates but this winter I am going to see how they go free range. But they won't be allowed in our bedroom, they snore and fart too much!

Gosh, some of you people would have had me charged with child neglect :laugh: As I am sure the article doesn't have the full story, we possibly shouldn't judge?

RIP Collette

I was never able to understand how people 'forgot' children or animals in the car until it happened to me one day. I left my son in the car for half an hour after I had been out, thankfully it wasn't hot but it really gave me an insight into how distracted you can become under certain circumstances.

Once upon a time...Shiloh Shepherds were GSD's too- http://www.shilohshepherds.info/issrShilohShepherdsCoatColor.pdf would you say they were the same today?

http://www.riverwindshilohs.com/6.html

As someone who knows nothing about GSD, yes I would. And if BSL were ever to include GSD's again, I would think that the Shiloh Shepherd would be picked up by the local ranger and treated as a GSD. Would I be incorrect?

Plenty of people in my area have restricted access to front yards, including me. I lock my front gate. If it is law here it is not very well regulated.

But I would never leave my dogs out the front if there was any chance someone could open a gate and come in or let them out.

I have had it explained to me as the APBT is considered the working line of the breed and the AST is the show dog line. Not sure if it is true but I have always considered the APBT and the AST to be the same dog, rightly or wrongly.

I think to make things more difficult, the US media basically have labelled a dog with a staffy type head, a 'pitbull'. So it is more of a generic term over there, a bit like our 'staffy'. I think a lot of Aussies would be shocked to think that a lot of Americans would considered the Staffordshire Bull Terrier a 'pitbull'. I think even our politicians are confused by this.

She unlocked and opened a front door or are you sleeping with the front door open and fly screen unlocked?

Mine are a little thick and have been known to go through fly screen, I don't know if I could cope with a dog that is as clever as yours :laugh:

Oh my goodness, when you think you've heard it all.........

I am not a fan of any insurance for things that I feel that I can pay for. I have house and contents and car insurance, for obvious reasons. We even have income and life insurance but they will go once the mortgage is paid. I have health insurance but only because we get penalised if we don't have it.

For the dogs I put extra into the mortgage, in fact all my savings go into the mortgage!

I have heard nothing but bad things about pet insurance. Lady at the vet told me her that her insurance company rejected a claim as they deemed her staffy x as a restricted breed! But they were happy to take the premiums for five years

We stay at lots of caravan parks with our dogs & with the odd exception it is usually pretty quite. I think its because, the type of people who love their dogs enough to take them on holidays with them, also love them enough to train them not to bark. :)

A bit of a generalisation?! I know lots of people and plenty on here that love their dogs and they still bark! I know when we camp with our dogs they don't bark. Some nights at home our dogs sleep outside as it is cooler, and they will bark as they can hear other dogs barking.

It could be that they are sleeping with their owners in such close quarters that they are relaxed enough not to be on alert. Our dogs when sleeping inside don't bark.

Mine are never left outside when we aren't home, they are a bit on the dopey side and like to sleep in the sun, which isn't great considering they are black pugs

Hot days they are left inside with the fans on (we don't have a/c), cool mats or frozen bottles in their beds.

I guess if you guys were safe outside in the shade, and there was a breeze at any stage, they would be okay ... but would they stay in the shade?

I have some dopey dogs too. Let them out about two hours ago (at this stage it was 39C outside) to toilet. Both of them went and lay in the sun to sunbake!!! Double coated breed too. They do like their daily dose of vitamin D no matter the temperature. I made them come back inside. Felt like my mother....... "put a jumper on, I'm cold"

I can totally relate to this! Just coming off a five day over 40C stretch and yesterday was awful, house never seemed to cool down even with the aircon on. Let the dogs out for a toilet break and a bit of fresh air, came out to find the SBT laying on it's back sunbaking It was 43C

When I am at work they are outside in the morning, I am fortunate enough to work around the corner so I am able to come home from lunch. They are then put inside with the aircon on. I don't like leaving them inside as they can't access outside but when it is this hot, I prefer them to be inside during the hottest part of the day. They just sleep anyway.

My biggest problem at the moment is exercising them. We go for a swim but it doesn't seem enough, but yesterday it was still 34 at 3am!