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Hi all I have just moved to Mount Waverley and wanting to find a reliable vet for my little Lexie. She has on-going Ulcerative Eosinophilic Stomatitis since early 2014 and has since gone through multiple biopsy with SASH and also been going to All Natural Vet Care. Somehow all vets reside to having her symptoms being 'managed' than being 'cured'. So she is under medication at the moment with ANVC. Can anyone recommend any good holistic vet and also a good vet nearby my area or a suburb or two is also ok? Thanks!

Thanks! I called up the vet in SASH. He said if you can't see the pulp or nerves exposed - anything bleeding or red colour dots/ black dots, etc then let's wait and see. It's still ok. Probably just need to get her for teeth clean up in few months time. The yearly teeth clean up type. So I will wait and also ask All Natural Vet Care this coming Friday.

She is active and happy. Loves to eat. Noted on the blackness or discolouration. sigh.. another bumper Might need to find some calcium supplements Edited due to typo

Forgot to ask, did you give some calcium supplements?

omg, I thought I was going insane by thinking so!! Thank you for letting me know! I think that is why!! her teeth were all some how worn down so quickly comparing to last time. I am so so upset for not picking up this earlier. I can see that her enamels on most of her premolar & molar are 'filed' down due to chewing the antler. For the chipped enamel of her first molar.... I am shocked to see it

Hi all, I am going crazy anxious with Lexie's continuous problem throughout her puppyhood till now - going to be 2 year old this May. Some history (can skip to main topic below): She is diagnosed with Ulcerative Eosinophilic Stomatitis and has been going through treatment / surgery with SASH. So the vet in SASH is currently out of idea on how to treat Lexi because the ulceration just wouldn't go away and it is only focused on one area of her throat (left upper). Then, she broke two of her lower premolar (both sides) from nylon bone end of last year and has left roots in her gum. She loves the chew and is addicted to the nylon bone or anything that is tough - deer antler, bones, etc. We decided to do the waiting game as advised by vet sometimes the roots will die by itself and get dissolved into the body. However, after 3 months her gum was infected as she goes through more chewing. Believe to have the root poking on the gum and create opening for bacteria to go in. As she is still trying to recover from her ulceration with medication, we also had her on the medication with All Natural Vet Care. She was booked in for surgery to extract the roots on Jan 2015. Came out good with stitches. However, her ulceration flare back up pretty badly but this is due to the pipe that was put through her throat during anaesthetic that might have triggered it off. So we had to get her through the cycle of Predisolone, antibiotics and also continue with the ANVC's herbs medication. To date her, she is still under the small doses of Pred with ANVC herbs. The main topic: Just last weekend, I gave her a bone and she managed to chipped off the tip of her first molar teeth - lower jaw. Why why why Or maybe she might have chipped it earlier I don't know! But she is not having any problem chewing further on the bone or the antler that day. I took all hard chewing stuff away now. I didn't notice much of behaviour changes. I just had the habit of checking her teeth after the previous broken premolars experience! After much googling, by the look of it, she has chipped off the enamel part and exposed the dentin area (can't see any chip on the dentin area though). Very tiny chip as it is at the very top of the molar. I couldn't get any photo as she struggles a lot but manage to peak on it couple of times. I read all about the possible procedures. I do believe it appears that Lexie may have what they call it enamel fracture or uncomplicated crown fracture - where the pulp is not exposed. I find I am leaning towards the 'wait and see' again because of her throat condition - I can't find a way to avoid having the pipe through her throat again during surgery to get her molar crown. Then flaring up her ulceration, then going through another bouts of medications. Plus getting the tooth crown may not guarantee that the crown will not fall off , looking at her love of chewing. Having mixed feelings though as her first molar is consider the biggest one and I really do not want her to loose that tooth. ArggghhH!!!!!!!! or maybe she is better off without any teeth!! Contacting vets: I've just sent an email to the vet in SASH to asked if this is related to long term Pred that may have caused the weakening of enamel? Calcium deficiency if any? We will be having our revisit with ANVC this coming week or next, so perhaps the vet can advise as well on her tooth and see what we can do in the mean time, if bully stick is ok and no more hard chew stuff. Lexie is at her usual self. No issue in eating and still wanting to chew on stuff. Plays with her soft toys, runs around, etc. Any ideas / advices are much appreciated. Kind regards Lisa

Thank you all for your response.. Went to All Natural Vet Care and Lexie was prescribed with Natural medicine together and is ok to be taken together with her current pills. We will be slowly taking her off the pills once her ulcer has tame down a little bit more. It flared up pretty bad after her surgery to removed two of her broken teeth last month! Seriously, we need to be very careful with the nylon dental chew Anyway she was put on Pred for a week and now it has gone down. So will be slowly taking her off her antibiotics to continue with Natural medicines. Lexie was given a diet elimination that is being introduced slowly. My next visit is tomorrow to see how she goes .. Will keep everyone posted.

Hi I was advised to consider a nutriscan. Just wondering if you all have ordered the test kit from the website or got it from somewhere in Australia?

I have an appointment with All Natural Vet Care and looking at the possibilities of on-going revisits, I wonder if Pet Plan Insurance covers this type of Holistic Vet Care? Well I have claimed for Lexie's continuing condition and just wanting to know if Pet Plan covers this type.

thanks Erny for the info. Does the DNA Hair Test tells the genetic issues? I am new to this but I always assumed we can only test DNA for what type of dog breed and genetic / cell issues?

thanks everyone for your great input! After reading the replies here and also reading up their websites again, I have decided to book an appointment with All Natural Vet Care (they are closed by ) and also have emailed Mc Dowell. So will see how both goes. I'm just stuck and don't know what else to do and SASH has also gone out of ideas on how to heal her as none of the medication really work on her. Her symptoms didn't get worst but she is in too long antibiotics. Will probably call up ANVC this coming week. Thanks all!

Hello, just wanting to know if anyone knows which one of the below is good for the above subject? I am right now trying to engage a more natural way since all medication fail to heal Lexie's ulceration. https://www.mcdowellsherbal.com/treatments/for-dogs# http://www.naturalvet.com.au/our-practice/ Any other sites? Thanks Lisa

Just went out to get the same brand lol I will contact my vet to ask him about it. Hopefully he sees no issue with my little girl having it. Hopefully it helps her on it. I did gave her on some of the Manuka Honey active +20.. which certainly helps with the stomach acidic due to too much Predisolone, but the honey gives her a bit more softy poo so I took her off it. Oh gosh, I absolutely hope that our dogs will get so much better after all these medication! I need my little girl to get better ~~~

May I ask what were her symptoms & which antibiotics was she put on? just swelling and ulceration at the back of her throat. It got quite bad as her breath stinks due to the ulceration that looks like having yellow pus in it. Then bouts of antibiotics and predisolone helps to tame it down. but couldn't get her to fully recover.. so now it seems just very inflamed red ulceration only. I need to find a more natural way to heal her rather than the continuous of medication for months.. ! Too many type of antibiotics that she tried and couldn't remember.. My vet said get 1 carafate tablet & add water to make a slurry & put in syringe..the Carafate lines their throat & stomach but has to be given on an empty stomach 1 hour before feeding, the predisone made my boys stomach acid worse, but they were the tablets not the liquid steriods that are normally given & the Losec made his poos greenie/black & sloppy so I stopped the Losec now he's back to doing his swollowing & licking like his throat is sore again, I think I need to have the camera put down his throat to see whats happening as the meds aren't helping... the Metronidazole stopped the bad breath...I'm using Zantac again its not as strong as Losec for the stomach acid, with the Zantac his poos stay normal.. now it's coming back to me the antibiotic names .. She was on the cavulox for 2 weeks and it's not helping much although it stop from getting worst. Her breath still stinks badly. Then she was put on Metronidazole for 2 weeks with the Predisolone and the breath goes away, but couldn't get better. So she was put on Antirobe (antibiotics for gum disease or something) another few weeks. After that we were referred to SASH for biopsy and blood test. That's when she was diagnose with the Ulcerative eosinophilic stomatitis... This is when SASH put her on a longer term Predisolone with Antirobe. It gets a bit better but still has the swell with inflamed coloring. She goes through second biopsy and blood test to make sure we are still on the right track. Results came back the same so she was put off the Predisolone and then she is put on a new antibiotic Doxycycline which also has some kinda anti-inflamed property. She is with this new antibiotic for 2 months now. She had her third blood test a week ago and came back good. Nothing in particular. So now I need to catch the busy vet in SASH (whole week couldn't get a hold of him) to discuss about putting her on a certain diet. Vet thinks she might be allergy to something. Sigh.. I am emotionally tired and too much heart ache by feeding her all the medications!!!

oh what is the brand that you've got?

ChewieTAG, I feel like that too after several weeks of consultations with vet at SASH. AnimalLover99 has mentioned aloevera and it was mentioned to me by DOLer Steve and so I am about to PM her as to what she might recommend for my dog. My dog has different symptoms from your little one, but heaps of medications and virtually no appetite. Perhaps draw Steve's attention to this thread?? thanks Dame Danny Darling. Did you managed to find out what recommendation for your dog? I will be shopping for some Aloe Vera juice later. Will see if I can find any good ones. She is rather small (5kg) so I think as AnimalLover99 mentioned about 3ml will do.

May I ask what were her symptoms & which antibiotics was she put on? just swelling and ulceration at the back of her throat. It got quite bad as her breath stinks due to the ulceration that looks like having yellow pus in it. Then bouts of antibiotics and predisolone helps to tame it down. but couldn't get her to fully recover.. so now it seems just very inflamed red ulceration only. I need to find a more natural way to heal her rather than the continuous of medication for months.. ! Too many type of antibiotics that she tried and couldn't remember..

thanks for the info. Will definitely check out the Health Food isle. I think I saw one the other day in Coles! Did you tried for few months before seeing result? Can this be given for months?

thanks for the info!! May I know what brand of Aloe Vera you get and how did you come by the right dosage for you dog?

Hi Steve, do you know where I can get the Aloe Vera from? Need also to find out the dosage for Lexie. Thanks!

Hi all, Thanks for the input.. I have been busy running around 'babysitting' guests who is visiting.. Yes they are still around and I am only able to get to this post now. The blood test came back with nothing wrong and the vet will be sending off to SASH to see what else we can proceed further. Will keep everyone update with the progress!

thanks Steve, will get this book to read up..

seems like such a long period of time already but it seems like just yesterday Lexie was diagnose with this problem. Vet from SASH still couldn't find out why her last ulcer area at the back of the throat would not go away. She went through twice biopsy (it came back after the first 'clean up') and comes back same result. He is slowly believing it could be allergy to something rather than some viral / bacteria / virus.. So just done a blood test to see what else to rule out. She has done it 3 times already and every time different with valid explanation due to medications. She was under predisolone for few months and now is off for a month or so already, but is given antibiotics which also works a little bit like Predisolone. So now I'm at wits as not sure what to do or where to go..

Hello, I am feeling very devastated that two of my small girl's premolar teeth (both lower jaw, same place of premolar from both sides) are broken from nylabone chewing... She has always been a strong chewer and loves chewing so I have a few nylabone for her to chew on. She has been chewing for a good year and plus already. Her teeth are wonderfully healthy because of that. Although I do see how her constant chewing on nylabone does file down her teeth a little bit. I always supervise when I gave her the toy and will throw it away when the knob are quite file down.. However, just last night, she loves to lay on my lap to chew her nylabone and so she did. She suddenly was too interested to find something in between my legs and I noticed a piece of white stuff next to my knee. I picked it up thinking could be a piece of the nylabone but it was part of her tooth!!!!! Check the photo. It is her right premolar. I was shocked. Then I proceed to check her overall teeth and found that her right premolar has broken too!!! But it looks old as it has healed. However I can still see the 'leftover' premolar in the gum in her left side. She doesn't seem to be in pain at all even right after both premolar were broken! No issue in playing toy or chewing something else like socks, soft toys and no problem in eating (not like she chew anyway as she basically swallowed her kibbles whole). I've booked a vet's appt for this afternoon. I am utterly gutted for her lost of both the premolars. She has such wonderful and healthy teeth so the vets said. Sigh.. For now, I will not be giving her any nylabone , maybe once a week just to clean up her teeth but .. looking at how intense and strong chewer she is... I will be reluctant to give her bones or anything else too. She has bouts of swallowing foreign objects and so on too. I am feeling really upset by this and guilty for giving her the nylabone .. Regards Lisa

Hi there, Just a little bit of update... Vet wants to put Lexie for another month of Predisolone. She is with it for a month already. She is healing from it but not 100% so vet wants to clear it off her before tuning down the dosage slowly. Vet did said that he is surprised Lexie is so young to get such condition. wonder if anyone has any opinion or recommendation?