Sheridan

It's great when they're playing together and lying down together. The state of my wee ridden floor is what's doing my head in. Plus the lack of anyone to help do some stuff.

Belly bands seem quite hard to come by. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.

how did you manage the other puppy with one on lead?

As of last night I started feeding Roo outside. It makes taking him to do a wee a shorter distance. I'm cooking breakfast so they're in their lounge crates. Bunny sitting quietly staring at Roo's covered crate where he is apparently being murdered the shrieks are so loud. 'The sky's awake so I'm awake so I have to play,' is his motto. ETA: he's been howling for half an hour now. Bunny sitting outside her crate playing with a toy. She's just more mature and biddable. ETA ETA: and then there was silence.

The crates are not the problem. Last night they went from 10 pm to 6 am without a peep. It's everywhere else. I can't just keep them crated all the time either. No one I know sets their place up with pens and crates and dog runs etc so I'd say you're far better off than I am being able to borrow things, TSD. I am very frustrated by suggestions that crating fixes everything because my problem is not crating but when they're out of it. My experience with the pen is that he will go in there if left and suggestions to look for a signal when he will just stand up and go.

They have separate crates in my bedroom where they sleep at night. I have a single playpen in the lounge room, which as of today I took down as I now have two crates in the lounge for them. I am training them to use these but only started today. I'm not made of money and can't afford to keep buying pens and crates and compost panels and dog runs which everyone seems to think are essential to having dogs these days. They have the run of the back yard currently. ETA: they do not sleep in the lounge because the bedroom is at the other end of the house and I can't hear them if in separate rooms. They actually quite good at night and have slept through several times. They also scream blue bloody murder if separated where they can still see each other and my lounge is not big enough to have separate spaces where they can't see each other.

Not fabulously, Boronia. Yesterday was good. Only two inside wees! Today, not so good. Even Bunny did one inside and she's normally really good. Trouble is, Roo has no signal. He doesn't sniff, he doesn't wander around, he just goes. If I get him outside he nearly goes on command. The trouble is getting him outside. If I take my eye off him, he'll go without warning.

I'm having difficulty with training one of my puppies, too. :) not sure why you can't train for outside until you train for inside?

Yesterday, the pups and I went to a busy yummy mummy-style cafe. It was next to a lawned area where kids were kicking a ball around. Bunny was most intrigued. Roo ignored most of it. They were very well behaved, which does not reflect the terrors they are at home. Today we went to visit someone with an adult kerry blue. Roo, no fear at all. Bunny was quite frightened but she is at that fear stage. It took some time for her to come around but there was polite bum sniffing by the end of it. We start puppy school this coming week.

Not at all. I think I was lucky but it's true so I'm not saying it to be smart. Frankly, I'm sick of those who can apparently magic their dogs into being good canine citizens. I think it's entirely likely both of you have had as many sleepless nights as those of us who are struggling. Everything I've read about house training says a dog won't be house trained in such a short space as three weeks.

How nice that all the clever clogs are so utterly amazing at toilet training that they can snap their fingers and voila, their dogs are trained.

Is this the hairless kelpie that's been doing the rounds on social media?

Wheaten currently sobbing in a crate.

Separated the puppies for time outs. Roo has been picking on Bunny and she has been trying to get away from him. I am seriously considering that I won't be able to leave them out together when I go back to work.

Roo's signal for wanting to go outside to do a poo appears to be running straight into the sliding door and bouncing off. Ones of those doggy door panels might be the go in the future.

Today we went to a Turkish place for yummy coffee. Tomorrow we're going a little further afield hopefully but we're aiming at another school trip, too. This afternoon, we were all so exhausted that we fell asleep on the couch.

Water pistol. Crude but effective.

They're finding the back deck pretty attractive.

Thanks, Diva. Have sent you a DM. Today, Bunny and I went to a shopping centre where she had her first ATM experience. Then we went to my work where she met sliding doors, elevators, and lots of people. She was fairly subdued because she gets a bit car sick. This afternoon Roo and I went to a school. We missed school finishing by about ten minutes but he met several children and teachers. We also went to a shopping centre where he met a couple of people and heard some kids shrieking and shopping trollies.

Roo seems to get it at night when he's been crated but I have to carry him out then he goes. There is currently silence because I've given them the best toy ever: cardboard.

So when are you taking them out? I generally took mine out after eating, after drinking, after playing, and just generally about every hour. I was thinking that perhaps you could feed one, then take it out to pee, on lead. Only wait ten minutes. No interaction, and no moving around until the goods have been produced. Then put that one in a pen, and repeat with the other one. If they don't do anything, then I'd probably take the, back out again about 20 minutes later. Same thing, on lead, no moving about, and no attention until they've done the job. I'm not sure what you can do about them getting distracted by the other one having a tantrum except perhaps having them in a crate in a part of the house furthest from your yard, with some door closed in between so the noise is quieter. Are their crates small enough for you to move around easily? I had two puppies at once, but they were ok at doing things together and wouldn't distract each other too much, but that was perhaps because they were litter mates. An utterly despondent day, aside from when I took them to a cafe. Bunny has decided to bark. At Everything. A leaf drops. Barking. Something moves or doesn't move. Barking. Wants attention. Barking. Doesn't want to do a wee. Barking. Something she's seen before. Barking. Won't sit. Won't do anything. Wees in crate, wees and poos inside. Roo still doesn't signal when he wants to go. Very tired.

Well, what I've determined out of this is that I don't have friends, I have people on FB and people I work with. Sorry I should not have replied. I suspected this might be your response and it is not what I intended at all. I say 'expand your friendship group' which means including different types of friends - for example friends with young children. I will bow out of this thread and I am sorry I seem to have upset you. Oh, I was already upset, basically at the lack of assistance of people who profess to be friends.

Well, what I've determined out of this is that I don't have friends, I have people on FB and people I work with.

I've been thinking about this since I got my puppies. Puppies have a critical socialisation period to get used to people, situations, and dogs, etc. What happens if, like me, you don't have people with safe, vaccinated dogs to socialise with? Or don't know people with children? Or don't know old people? What do you do? Should you simply not get puppies?

The wet weather has been terrible at keeping active puppies occupied. Had a bit of success during the night. Roo let me know every time he wanted to go out and promptly did a wee and poo on command. Bunny was noisy for five minutes each time she was put back in her crate but also did a wee on command. We also had a bit of success in just walking around the house on lead with each of them. Unfortunately I wasn't able to take them to a cafe as planned as it was just too wet. Will try tomorrow. And downside, during the day, Roo does not signal wanting to go outside.