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    Dha/epa

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    Sources of GLA:

    - evening primrose oil

    - black currant oil

    - borage oil

    Up to you what you choose to use - dog dermatologists suggest EPO. Borage oil has twice the potency of EPO so if youre giving two caps of EPO a day, economise and use one of borage instead.

    Which Oil For Itchy, Dry Skin?

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    I have found Livamol to be absolutely fantastic to improve coat condition.

    I have a Dobe with skin problems especially in summer and Livamol makes a BIG difference.

    Boosting the immune system allows the skin to cope with environmental challenges.

    Hi Stitch, can you please tell me where you get this from? Just did a quick google, is this a horse product?

    Dha/epa

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    don't know if this will help you but i use hygain RBO oil it has omega 3,6,and 9

    i give the dogs 5mls on there dinner

    dfa

    eta 5lt cost me $38 and i also give it to my cat and horses

    Generally these 3-6-9 supplements have only plant based Omegas: 3= flax, 6= evening primrose oil, 9= filler stuff/nothing of benefit.

    Flax oil is great for heart health. Body also metabolises a small % to EPA/DHA. Widely disputed what this % is in humans, no idea for animals.

    EPO is great for coat condition/skin.

    Omega 9 requires no supplementation whatsoever - the body metabolises these from others 'fats' consumed in the diet.

    There is no EPA/DHA in these mixes. Just buy a EPO supplement and be done with it.

    Dha/epa

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

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    I am having trouble understanding this.

    Is the DHA and the EPA the main things in fish oil that we want? Fish oil only has Omega 3 doesn't it, I've read we want some Omega 6 as well?

    Yes, yes and yes.

    What does DHA do and what does EPA do? Everything I find refers to what it does to the human body, is this the same for dogs? All I can find is it makes the coat shiny, which one makes the coat pretty? EPA or DHA?

    Pretty much same application for humans and dogs. DHA used more for brain function, mood disorders etc. EPA known for heart health and anti-inflammation in joints etc. Neither of these are used for coat - you want GLA (gamma linolenic acid) which is found in evening primrose oil or borage oil (borage oil is far more potent that epo). GLA is part of the Omega 6 family.

    How much (in mg) of each is an ideal quantity to add to BARF? Will it evaporate or anything like that? How do I determine if a dog needs it? Can you administer too much? I create my own balls of 220g so would one capsule be sufficient per "ball" of BARF?

    Don't add to BARF when you make, add it when you feed it. Oils will oxidise, go rancid, taste horrid and be of no benefit. I think the normal ratio to work off is 1 capsule per 20kg of body weight. Too much oil and the dog will probably end up with the runs, thats about it.

    The omega 3 mix from nz health store contains 25% DHA and 15% EPA, each is 1000mg so 250mg of DHA and 150mg of EPA. 300 of those capsules for $112 NZ (so around $100 AUS?) It comes from Hoki but I need to find out if Hoki is sustainable.

    The green lip mussel mix from the same store has 18%/12% (from memory, and DHA/EPA respectively) but each capsule is only 500mg so only contains 90mg of DHA and 60mg of EPA, 450 capsules for $135 (on sale now). Green Lipped is 100% sustainable so I know I am causing little environmental damage to the marine environment with this option.

    So how much is really required? From memory Peibe mentioned 180/120 as the standard measure but is that how much we should aim to supplement? My foster dogs coat is a bit dull, I know either EPA or DHA will help this but I want to know how much is needed and which one is needed.

    I think it was me Midol, I am always banging on about fatty acids :mad EPA/DHA won't do anything for the coat shine but its a good supplement to add for overall health if youre not treating joint problems. Use a GLA supplement for coat. Up to you really but dermatologists recommend the standard 180/120 fish oil + evening primrose when treating dogs with skin problems, allergies and/or elimination diets.

    Fish Oil Or Flaxseed Oil?

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

    Posted

    To be honest, I have no idea.

    Will find out now though.

    I can't find any numbers like the one you gave buuuuuut.

    Green lipped mussel extract (pure) has 19% DHA and 15% EPA and 15% palmitic acid (nfi what that is.)

    Fish oil has 12% DHA and 18% EPA. So fish oil has more EPA but a lot less DHA?

    I don't really know much about this stuff :D But being a kiwi green lipped mussels are used a lot.

    DHA is really whats of benefit, rather than the EPA so then yes the green lipped mussel would be good.

    Importantly fish oil can be overdosed due to vitamin A content whereas flax / linseed oil cannot. This is why flax seed oil is recommended for skin conditions where daily dosing is optimum.

    Cod liver oil contains vitamin A, regular fish oil supplements do not. 'Overdosing' fish oils will give a dog the runs, thats about it.

    I use both, and only 1 type on my dogs. My flax only dog have very good results..but after many years. The rest of those that are on fish oil dun seems to get improvement...but it didn't worsen also. I do noe that fish oil is more easily available which is why Vit E needs to be given. For flax, I usually dun give extra Vit E anymore.

    Fish oil is normally supplemented with vitamin E as fish oil easily oxidises - its used as a perservative. Flax oil contains natural antioxidants to perserve it.

    Fish Oil Or Flaxseed Oil?

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

    Posted

    I was under the impression that green lip mussel extract is a better for joints than fish oils?

    Not many Australian vets would know much about the mussel extract though, it has a natural anti-inflammatory which helps arthritis.

    Possibly Midol. The higher the ratio of EPA & DHA per dose, the lesser 'filler' oils and the more beneficial the supplement.

    What's the the EPA/DHA ratio for green lipped mussel? Standard EPA/DHA ratio is 180/120 but there are several available now which have higher ratio's than that.

    Fish Oil Or Flaxseed Oil?

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

    Posted

    You can't make a direct comparison between fish and flax, it’s like comparing apples with oranges. Its dependent on what you are hoping to achieve by supplementing.

    There are 3 types of Omega 3 - ALA, EPA & DHA.

    ALA = flax

    EPA & DHA = fish

    In humans ALA is very beneficial for heart health. Body also converts a small % of ALA to EPA and DHA. EPA & DHA is used also for brain function, mobility, anti-inflammation, mood disorders and also heart health.

    Also 3 types of Omega 6 - LA, GLA & AA.

    LA = wouldn’t supplement, occurs in fatty foods

    GLA = evening primrose or borage oils

    AA = wouldn’t supplement, too much is not good for the body

    GLA also has mobility and anti-inflammation properties. Also good for skin conditions.

    Dogs with skin conditions are normally given an EPA & DHA + GLA supplement by dermatologists.

    Dogs with mobility issues I know vets normally treat with EPA & DHA but a GLA supplement would certainly be of benefit to them too.

    Cataracts/nuclear Scelerosis

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    Hi There, I am new to this site. I have been following this thread and I am so very happy for you that Ardee's eyes are ok.

    I have a shar pei who is only 2 and a while ago I seen cloudiness and a shade of blue in his eye that was since treated but not for cataracts or anything serious so while reading this thread I have been having heart attacks that maybe my sharpei was misdiagnosed. Have you started the vitamin E and bilberry yet?

    Hi Brig, welcome :rofl:

    The shar pei crew are all in here link. Pop in and say hi. Has your boy had eye problems, an ulcer, tacking or entropian surgery?

    PG

    Possible Food Allergy

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

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    CL atopic & contact allergies/food intolerances normally develop around the age of 12 months but several Dolers have had their dogs present problems well before that age.

    Pollen season has gone into overdrive at the moment. If she's itchy it could be a contact or atopic allergy. Start with a mild antihistamine every and see if helps. Antihistamines work differently for every dog. You might have to try a few different ones before you find one that works best.

    In regards to the elimination diet you could try roo. People grade cuts available at most supermarkets these days, and not just mince. You can also get roo tails for calcium.

    You have to try one thing at a time tho otherwise you'll never know what is effecting what - dont introduce antihistamines or change protein source at the same time.

    Blood In Stools

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

    Posted

    Hi Loraine has Zedley had a bone in the last 48 hours? My boy has medically diagnosed ibd (through barium swallow, endoscopy and colonoscopy), I have seen the same thing from him but far worse, its very scary :eek: Did the vet put Zedley on metrogyl and if so what dose?

    Frothy Bile In The Morning...

    in Health / Nutrition / Grooming

    Posted

    Does Gomez have atopic allergies out of curiosity? My boy has atopic dermatits, inflammatory bowel disease and food intolerances. I can control his problems most of the year through diet and antihistamines but when the pollen season goes into overdrive he will vomit a yellow sticky bile first thing in the morning just after he wakes up. Poos also change consistency.

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