Keshwar

If the dog was indeed DA then it is careless not to leash or restrain it in some way when you see another dog approaching imo.

Even though they should, not everyone has control over their dogs, dogs can't be reliable 100% of the time and imo, it is not worth the risk of letting my dog hurt another EVEN if they are in the wrong.

I've had a mildly DA dog, and I would always leave the area or leash her if i saw another dog approaching.

The point is that no-one actually knows if the dog was actually DA or not from your initial description.

Did the DOG show any aggressive behaviour or was it the dogs owner who was showing aggression (rudeness)?

We visited our regular dog park this morning at off-peak time and there was this guy with a dog, he was throwing the ball to it. As we approached the general area he was in, he called out and said: you'd better keep your dog away from mine or it'll rip his head off

So i called my dog away and quickly walked off in another direction and played in another area of the park.

So my question is:should i report this?

The dog didn't have a chance to act aggressively to mine (we didn't get close enough), and it was not like it ran over an started attacking her. I think it would have only reacted if we had come very close to it eg. sniffing distance. However, the dog was off leash and obviously had a known dog aggression problem. It seemed to be fairly under control, in the fact it didn't run over towards us. And the park is large enough for dogs to play separately if necessary.

I do feel it should not have been offlead though, what if a dog HAD run up to it? Or he at least should have put it onlead when he saw us coming. But no, he just contiued to throw the ball.

I don't know whether I am mad becuase the guy was so rude and careless and just expected us to get out of his way. I'm not sure i would feel so angry if he had just said "excuse me but would you mind keeping your dog away as my dog doesn't like/is not comfortable with other dogs coming up close to him". If he had said that I would have been more understanding having had a dog before that didn't like other dogs getting up in her face.

What do people think? Should I bother reporting this or just let it go?

It was off peak time - see bolded - this may be the only time he takes his dog to the dog park. ie it is quiet and no-one else is usually around.

Next bolded part - his dog was under control and he was playing ball with his dog, it didn't do anything to your dog or to you. No problem there sounds like a sensible dog owner.

Rude and careless????? You may have thought him rude but how was he careless? He prevented you and your dog approaching him and his dog. Sensible IMO but certainly not careless.

I used to ask people people nicely to keep their dog away or to put their dog onlead - I was inevitably ignored, resulting in my dog getting harassed until I got rude. Because of this I eventually went straight to rude because it worked. People kept their dogs away from mine or onlead when told too. BTW my dog was not DA. I just preferred not to have him hassled by strange dogs.

Sorry if this has already been answered but I was wondering if there was a website or something that explains how a show works with classes and points etc or if it's in this thread somewhere? Thanks if someone

can help

If you go back to posts 2 - 4 in this thread. They cover classes in shows, the point system and how to show your dog.

If you have a more specific question feel free to ask.

Same way a kid is taught to be polite and eat with the knife and fork in the correct hand.

Ah but which is the "correct" hand?

I think a lot of this debate depends on your definition of trick.

All of my dogs will turn on command - turn 180 degrees - and Faxon will weave between my legs.

Some people would see the dogs turning as a trick for me it is essential. They need to turn on command in the hydrobath and on the grooming table as they are too big to manhandle.

Faxon learned to weave because he loves going between my legs so weaving just became an extension of that.

As an obedience instructor I ask people to teach their dog a trick as a way for them to have fun learning with their dog. People get sucked into this mindset that obedience training is a serious business and they forget about enjoying being with their dog. Getting them to do something non-serious with their dog breaks this down.

Bear.

I found this sample entry form and thought it might be of some use. ;)

entryform_example002.pdf

I'm impressed at your self control SSM.

At no stage during this saga have your appeared to shout the words beloved by most dog owners.

SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!!

That's not my department.

My department and I am VERY good at it.

Have you ever served on a dog club committee Rottsup? Do you have any idea how much work needs to be done to put on and run a show and how few people are available to do that work?

Honestly :rolleyes:

But hang on a minute I suppose it's perfectly possible that there were a couple $100 notes secreted under the cream in one of those scones

I must be Stewarding for the wrong shows or my $100 note has blown away. :rofl:

ummmm 65 isn't exactly on deaths door.

Although I don't know your parents a 65 year old should be able to handle an active breed.

Puppies and dogs are never suitable as surprise gifts.

People can fawn over your dog or over other puppies/dogs but this doesn't mean they actually want one of their own.

Lots of people actually say "I wish i had a puppy/dog" ect but not REALLY mean it.

The best thing would be for them to decide on their own whether they want a dog, let them do the research and then you can pay for the dog if you wish to give it as a "gift"

Ooops I didn't mean to imply that anyone should give a dog - puppy or otherwise - as a suprise gift. :D :D

ummmm 65 isn't exactly on deaths door.

Although I don't know your parents a 65 year old should be able to handle an active breed.

From my understanding of what has been said - in newspapers and on TV - there is only a problem if you exceed the recommended daily dose. The figure I saw quoted was people who were taking 1200mg per day had significant increased risk of stroke (80% for Voltarin and 30% for Ibuprofen (Nurofen)). Also the numbers in the study in Denmark(?) were fairly small.

If you are prescribed these medications by your Dr and take the recommended dose I wouldn't be too concerned. If you are concerned talk to either your prescribing Dr or Pharmacist. I wouldn't be relying on what is being publicised.

JMO.

Same dog doing agility.

Fantastic - he sits so proudly too!

They obviously have a great relationship which is great to see.

Enjoy.

I did.

if you look at this page; http://www.cccq.org.au/Committees/Show-Man...nts--Forms.aspx

There are assessment forms so I'm guessing there is a course for Assembly Stewards and Writers that must be completed before you can steward.

I've got to say I think the Stewards in QLD have it easy with having a separate writer. Down here the Steward does everything - call numbers, write up the judges book and stewards card etc.

Does anyone know how it works regarding a National Show being held and the non awarding of CC's at a show within 1000k's of the breed National???

If there are dogs entered at an All Breeds show within 1000 k's obviously they arnt entitled under ANKC rules to be awarded a CC - can these dogs get a Best of Breed and go onto compete for Best in Group???????

Yup they can get BOB and can go onto Best in Group/classes in Group and then on to BIS/Classes in Show - just no points are awarded.

Thanks!

CONGRATULATIONS!!

:( :D :p :eek: :)

Lochies is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFOVugG5O4Q

I've entered both days with Humpty. Should be interesting as I haven't had him out for ages. I haven't fallen on my well padded a*se for a while - do me good!

At least the ground will be soft after all this rain.

We should be there with the Lochster on Saturday.

schedule for all dog events can be found at

http://www.theshow.com.au/showground/royal...s/schedules.jsp

From the Adelaide Royal web page

The Society reserves the right to alter the Judging programme.

OBEDIENCE at 6.15 pm

Wednesday 8 September - Utility

Thursday 9 September - Open

Friday 10 September - Novice and CCD.

AGILITY at 5.45 pm

Saturday 4 September - Master, Open,

Excellent and Novice.

JUMPING at 6.15 pm

Friday 3 September - Master, Open, Excellent

and Novice.

Judging will commence in all classes at 6.15 pm.

except Agility.

Agility Judging to commence 5.45pm.

Agility checkpoint between 5.15 pm and 5.30 pm.

All exhibits must pass through the Check Point

by 6.00 pm. Bitches without proof of desexing

must pass through the Check Point and Vetting

between 5.45 pm and 6.00 pm.

Agility, Jumping and Obedience classes will be

conducted indoors.

Can you provide a link to a court case or any other legal document that proves this?

I have asked this question every time this statement is made and to date no-one has been able to provide proof that this is the case.

It comes down to common law. If you put up a sign stating 'dangerous' or 'warning' you are admitting your animal is liable to cause harm to a person, more in the range of the dog will use excessive amount of force to an average dog (which is why Victoria wanted bitework trained animals caged, some would in all probability not just stop at one chomp or warning bite). Australian law now also has a new meaning to the term 'dangerous' and dangerous dog signs are set with specifications. The government wants these dogs contained properly, imagine a council ranger responding to a call about nutso dogs behind a fence or biting a childs hand and you have a big sign stating 'DANGEROUS' on your gate.

If you simply put 'dogs on property do not enter' then legally you are simply making people aware of the fact there are dogs on the property, not technically promising aggressive or territorial behaviour. If the person continues their illegal activity of tresspassing then they will be covered under this part (Vic)

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The law does make provisions for dogs to be dogs and in the case of break in/tresspass if it does bite the offender then if the bite is not out of proportion to the action of the offender (excessive force comes into play here as well). EG a dog biting a robber on the leg when he breaks into the house vs a couple of dogs shredding a child to bits if he climbs over the fence. If we look at the abouve section it's vague enough to cover the fact that if you know your dog causes problems or has aggressive tendencies and you do not completely control it, liability falls on your head.

Common law or not can you show me ANY evidence that ANYONE has EVER been prosecuted in Australia for displaying a beware of dog/ Dangerous dog sign?

If these signs did assign liability to the dog/property owner why are Beware of Dog signs so readily available from hardware stores?

'beware of dangerous dog.'

you NEVER put this sign up. You are admitting you own dangerous animals and if something happens it will be on your head since you admitted they were dangerous. Even 'Beware' and 'caution' signs will point to you as the accountable one.

I used thin brush fencing from bunnings, it will bend with the gate swinging or have the end over the gap. Just cable tie it on.

As for the sign, something like 'dogs on premises' is enough. If some dickhead child tresspasses on your property to stick his hand through the gap in the gate that is his or his parents problem for raising a child that has no respect for other peoples property. You could even argue provocation on the unattended childs behalf since he purposely entered your property, walked up to the gate and did god knows what to the dogs.

Can you provide a link to a court case or any other legal document that proves this?

I have asked this question every time this statement is made and to date no-one has been able to provide proof that this is the case.

Some basic examples.

Classical conditioning:

1)Whenever I take my dog for a walk I follow a certain procedure - put jacket on, pick up lead and collar, put collar on dog, go out door for walk with dog. Eventually when the dog sees me put on my jacket he gets excited because he has come to associate this action with going for his walk.

2)Whenever feed my dog I again follow a set procedure - open drawer to get can opener, open cupboard to get dog food, open dog food, put dog food in bowl, give to dog. Now after a week or two of this whenever the dog hears me open the drawer he is there waiting to be fed.

Operant conditioning:

I want my dog to sit. I initially lure with food getting him to sit. I then add a cue - sit. I can then add a signal - a hand going up in a vertical motion. Each time my dog does the right thing - ie sits he is rewarded and praised. Eventually he will do a sit whenever I say sit and/or do the hand signal.

Does this help?

Posted in Nutrition & Grooming also -

Does anyone know where in Sydney I can buy a decent shower head> all we can find presently are the "water saver" ones which take forever to get the dog wet through.

Have tried 2 different ones from Bunnings .

You might want to try some of the smaller hardware stores that may have older stock. ;)

If you can't find one give me a yell and I'll look in our local hardware stores.