Andisa

This is an awful thread to read through, very frustrating and what should have been avoidable. The owners need to be charged - imagine if there were children playing in the backyard at the time...

Really tacky to make someone feel like crap after witnessing the death of their dog - just reading through it I could sense they were not in a position to help the dog or it would have been worded very differently including words like "received horrible injuries trying to save the dog"..

Not everyone is that dog savvy, lets face it - the dog was attacked in the "safety" of it's own back yard and the owner would have been in an awful state of shock and fear..while we all like to think we would act - unless under the pressure perhaps not all could.

As a kid I broke up a fight between our GSD and a Dobermann, not sure I would have the guts to do it again - my parents went nuts at me telling me just what they could have done to me in that state of mind. Yes dogs will be dogs and that is the reason I will never allow a dog with an aggressive temperament to live in my home and I sure as hell would never rehome one either.

Sympathy to the poster for the loss of their dog in such an awful situation.

Yea I think I can feel a pug in my future. I never thought I'd go small dog but I also don't think I could meet the exercise needs of a large dog again.

My Pug is hands down the most energetic dog Ive ever had. And I've had Staffords and Rotties! Don't be lulled in to thinking you are getting an easy house dog :laugh: Alvin is three and not showing any signs of slowing down. He scares me - he's mental :laugh:

I agree Clyde - Pugs are great little dogs but have to admit my Rottweilers are easier to live with

Aw how beautiful!

But OMG unbelievable! Did that guy really think you would part with the dog after he told you what he was going to do with him? He must not have thought anything wrong with that kind of treatment if he was so upfront about it! And chopping the tail off a 5 month old dog :eek:

It certainly makes me concerned for the future of the breed if breeders have to deal with this kind of garbage. Nobody would have the heart for it for long after finding out what might happen to their puppies if they are ever sold on or otherwise end up in the wrong hands :( Some people would be a lot more sneaky about acquiring them than this guy you are talking about

He started off like any normal enquiry but I didn't like something he said so I had to suck him in a bit more finding out what he was after...didn't take long but I wasn't expecting his full intentions. It still sickens me to this day..

Oh no, how disappointing for you I have a funky knee that likes to randomly dislocate so I have a bit if an idea what it's like when your body won't do what you want, and I'm only 23!

I thought I'd read you say something about bad puppy inquiries before as well How terrible for them as a breed, too, to still have that stigma attached to them where losers want them for the wrong reasons I do hope they will eventually be able to get past this and become known for the great, versatile dogs they are, including family dogs! I always wanted one but since I have now found my heart breed (Weimaraners) I don't know if I will ever want another breed (apart from necessary farm working dogs, LGDs etc).

I'm sure we'd all love more puppy pictures (especially some more Rottweilers? ;) ).. It's not that I don't like pugs.. I just like Rottweilers better :laugh:

Here's one for you :D

eta: Actually the worst puppy enquiry was for this dog when he was 5 months old, some prick tried to buy him after he told me he was going to hack off his tail and lock him in a yard where no one would see him. It wasn't the only horrible enquiry I had but it was the ugliest one because he contacted me for 3 days trying to convince me to sell him - pushing for a sale and offering more cash in hand, he was told to where to shove it and if he called back again I would go to the police.

Thanks for the kind words about Lizzy, I shouldn't have mentioned her loss, it was sudden and we are still adjusting. I don't want to side track from the OP.

Silentchild, I am still researching a suitable mate, so fingers crossed all goes well - so make sure you stay in touch with me :)

Andisa, those photos are soooo gorgeous! Little pug babies! I just wanna smush my nose into those little bellies. Their coats look so soft. Oh those photos have me all clucky now, I can't wait for you to have your litter, LOL! And I totally feel you about not feeling physically capable to handle a Rottie anymore. I've recently went down in size from a Rottie to an Aussie Shepherd, which is still not a small breed but much smaller than a Rottie, and I wondered how I was ever able to handle a Rott!!! I do love them though, they are such special dogs. I agree an old, sedate Rottie would be nice in the future. I do wish they would live longer though, I lost my gorgeous girl at just 8 years old.

Fingers crossed if all goes well they will be here before we know it, if not then the wait will be longer..

I have plenty more pics to show you if you like - including newborn puppies. I posted the above because they are at the best stage and ready for mischief :laugh:

My dogs are easy enough to handle, but it's days like I am having now when my back lets me down it's hard to do what I want. It's more their size than strength for me now, while they are able to assist in/out of the car for vet trips it's all good but I worry about how I can manage them when I have to physically move them myself. I have stopped grooming large dogs now for the same reason. Mine are easy to manage but not all large dogs are. Hamish jumped on the bed last night and had me pinned while licking my face. I couldn't move my arms up to push him away but he did listen when I told him to go away.

They never live long enough - it's so hard losing them. We lost Lizzy only last week .

Danny's Darling - I have the right one for you here now and she is a gem :D

Silentchild - I love both breeds, had Rotties before the Pugs but won't be breeding another litter of Rotties, once my current dogs go to heaven that could be it for me. I am planning a Pug litter for early to mid next year, if you would like to stay in touch with me I am sure we could work something out for a play date or two :D .

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Gorgeous photos! But I was curious, why will you not be breeding (or even keeping?) Rotts anymore? Are you just specializing in the one breed or are there other reasons? Sorry if this is a personal question, please disregard it in that case. As I said, just curious :)

No, that's fine. I just can't do what I want with the Rottweilers any more and feel it's not fair on them. I have injuries (back and shoulder are my worst) from when I was younger, now at almost 48 I am not up to the exercise they deserve. If I do have another one later on I would be after an ex show or breeding dog who would be happy for a more sedate life style. I was also put off the breeding side due to some very horrible puppy enquiries - I would rather not have another litter than have to deal with those types of people again. Also I find it easier and better for me to stick with the smaller breeds and Pugs stole my heart when I was just a kid. I grew up with and have always had large dogs so it's always possible I will have another Rottweiler down the track but he/she would need to be suitable for us. My current Rottweilers are now 9 and 5 yrs old.

This was taken earlier this year.

Christmas time is not my favorite time for puppies but timing depends on when the girls come in season. My Pugs don't seem to have normal seasons, they have been every 8 - 10 months. There really is something very special about Pug babies - they are way too gorgeous :D

This has always been one of my favorites I am very lucky to have so many of these beautiful pic. I treasure them, I won't have this pack structure again, it was very special to me.

Think she was trying to join in with this one :)

Oh and some Pug babies :)

My current Pugs annoy the crap out of the Rotties so I don't make them put up with it - not fair on them. They look at me as if to say "deal with them" :laugh: .

Silentchild - I love both breeds, had Rotties before the Pugs but won't be breeding another litter of Rotties, once my current dogs go to heaven that could be it for me. I am planning a Pug litter for early to mid next year, if you would like to stay in touch with me I am sure we could work something out for a play date or two :D .

My first Pug had a lovely cheeky nature and she grew up in the whelping box with my Rottie pups - she must have thought she was one of them. She was a tough little bugger and ruled the roost here and at her new home - YES dogs can be rehomed and still maintain a close bond with their previous homes without any problems...or none that we had anyway.

Lizzy was only 9 weeks old when we got her and Piper was just 2 weeks from having her first litter. It was love at first sight for these two - they shared a wonderful bond.

Is this for the Seymour area - I can ask in a groomers group if anyone would be able to help you out if you like.

You can find it easily online - Clipperworld sell it.

Would be much cheaper to do it yourselves though.

A lot of groomers are doing it now...personally I am not a fan so don't offer it. If you get it done or do it yourself please make sure you place more priority on short nails than just making them pretty.

Any Pug breeders able to help/advise with hand raising Pug puppies in Penrith please contact me asap.

eta: Or any one with small breeds.

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Sadly they didn't make it

I promise you that I didn't make it up and I didn't imagine it (I'm starting to feel like I did now!).

Why would not one but five oncologists tell me that Pugs are prone to MCT's? I can't imagine that they're allowed to go around saying stuff that isn't true. And they're dealing with a person whose dog could die. This is serious stuff.

And these people aren't just anybody Max, they're some of the world's best oncologists.

I regret starting this thread and I'm really sorry that I brought this up. I'm upset now. And I feel like making a complaint to the veterinary board because it sounds like you guys think I'm being stuffed around.

I'm really shocked and upset because I thought it was true and I thought everyone knew about it.

I have had two different vets from two different clinics tell me that Pugs are prone to MCT's. Not that I'm saying their word is gospel, but they've told me they see a lot of it.

Not the first time I have heard this either. My first Pug (living with friends) had a low grade MCT removed earlier this year. All went well and will have to see how she goes. My current dogs are not related to her.

Not the fist time and won't be the last unfortunately. This story will get interesting, the owner was interviewed this morning and seemed upset about the dog being alive. The owner paid for a dog to be PTS and it should have been. She said they signed a statement explaining why it was to be PTS and wants to know where that went.

The death certificate was shown on TV and signed by a vet - nothing else should matter.

I have no respect for any vet who would sign something and straight out lie to save their arse - they are paid to do a service and honesty is expected. Happens more than most people know..

The rubber backed one isn't as bulky or hard to was as the green backed

Does the rubber disintegrate? I always buy new bedding for each new litter, so if it only lasts out one litter before wearing down, that would suit me ok......

It does, when I take mine out of the wash the rubber is all through the plush pile reminds me of grated cheese

Thanks......that solves that question....no rubber backed for me :)

But that doesn't happen with mine :)

Might take a few washes but all my rubber backed bedding is stuffed now - won't buy it again.

The green back does soften with wear/washing so no biggie there.

I have some of the old blue vet bed (blue backed) from 6 yrs ago and it has only been used for 2 Rottie litters and 1 Pug - still in really good condition. Wish I could find that again - but the green backed is a close second for me.

Pain meds after desexing seems to vary from clinic to clinic. I have had quite a few dogs desexed over the years and so far 4 Pug babies (hardest thing I have ever done was hand over 8 1/2 week old babies for desexing), all have the injection for pain management and nothing else. I was told a bit of pain stops them feeling so good and they will rest longer - less chance of hurting themselves. Contact your vet if you think she is not coping - if so she may need some pain meds.

My girls usually looked pretty sad for a few days after the meds have worn off but you can tell when they are feeling better. A nice comfy bed, plenty of rest and lots of TLC goes a long way..

Recovering from desexing is still easier than recovering from birth or a c-section and raising a litter.

Juno seems to be doing very well this morning... almost seemed like her normal self. She is confined in the laundry today so we doesn't run around like a loon all day. We had a collar on her originally, although the vet said she didn't think it was really necessary ... Juno kept dragging it along the ground as she was walking because she was still dopey and waling with her head held low Stitches looked good this morning.

I hope your pug did well Andisa?

Glad Juno is doing well Lasarenia, they usually bounce back very well after surgery but keep in mind they need rest longer than they seem to think they do. More so for girls than boys. I would be keeping them separated for as long as necessary to prevent injury and play.

Buzz is doing very well, he was more alert that I was expecting when I picked him up. He is back to normal now but still separated from the others, he can't lick the wound but the girls would. Buzz is leaving for his new home next week so I will be keeping him separated from now on anyway so he can get used to the idea of being alone, he is happy as long as he has someone to snuggle with. Thank you for asking :D

Well done, I will be thinking of you tomorrow when I take my Pug in for desexing too.

Sorry I was hard on you yesterday but you hit a nerve for me. I have one Pug in a BYB home and she had her 2nd litter at 2yo almost dying during the first and they bred her again. Long story but I could not afford to keep fighting them. - I now desex my pups to prevent it happening again. I have booked my 10 month old Pug in for desexing tomorrow because I believe he is not good enough for breeding.

Also as a groomer of over 10 years I constantly see pet owners who are forced to pay expensive vet bills due to careless breeding. Hard to explain to the owners most things are easily avoidable but unfortunately it's the pet owners who are out of pocket and heart broken.

Enjoy your dogs and good luck for tomorrow.

My mistake and I should have waited to reply when I had more time to read it properly.

I may have misjudged the OP, if so I am sorry but I am not sorry for saying the puppy bitch should not be allowed to continue with a pregnancy. If they do then I suppose we have a different view on responsibility.

I believe I answered your question above - The only reason I was considering continue this pregnancy was if it was considered less risky than trying to abort, which I had heard had some severe side affects. Not so we could have puppies to "play with". And yes, if we went ahead with the pregnancy I was prepared to be fully responsible for it including all the costs you mentioned.

As soon as someone who is not an experienced, registered breeder mentions anything about having puts they seem to be catergorised as the average bogan who wants puppies to pay for beer money, feeds their dogs chum and leaves them on a chain in the backyard day in and out. My dogs get the best food possible, are fully insured and are taken to the vet at the drop of a hat if anything seem off. Any puppies would receive the same care. I also believe you can have your own details recorded on the microchip along with the new owners so you can be notifed if they ever get into trouble - at which point of course we would step in and take them back. I know the general attitude on this forum is that only registered breeders can be ethical but I personally don't subscribe to that idea.

This is beside the point however as it had already been determined earlier in the thread that it would be less risky to abort, and this is what we have decided to do. We are now just deciding whether to give the injection or spey.

I know a lot of you have been saying just hit the bf over the head and spey, but in reality, Juno is more his dog than mine. Also, I think pet owners are allowed to have different opinions, even if not in agreement with the prevailing opinion on this forum. He may decide that speying is the best option, or he may not... he is also a caring, responsible pet owner who is aware of the inherent risks (and costs)of breeding so I don't think forcing my, or others, opinion is appropriate. I will make my opinion known however ;)

Thanks for all the helpful comments.

The most responsible thing you can do for this bitch is to prevent the pregnancy progressing. She is ONLY 9 MONTHS OLD - the male is a large dog and you have no idea what they may or may not be carriers of.

You have missed weeks of obvious signs of a bitch coming in season and being in season - you also missed the signs of a dog who would be aware of a bitch coming into and in season...just how many other things will you miss. So many things can and do go wrong - you are simply not ready for this now..

The most frustrating part in the thread is how anyone would allow a baby to have babies - this bitch is just a baby - protect her her and do the most responsible act of all is to prevent her body going through more than necessary.

It's nice to say you will be responsible for the puppies later down the track but what about starting with being responsible for the underage bitch first..

Hmmm, sounds like, as I suspected, she's priced it a bit high. Looks like she has someone else interested in it anyway so i might just let it slide.

What was the asking price? I would think around $250?

Sounds like you have burnt the motors out - if so will be a few hundred to fix it. Call around for best prices. When I killed my good drier (Melbourne Dog Center) I paid $650 to have it repaired...bloody thing died 4 years later and is currently sitting in the garden shed with a Liberty drier - also burnt out the motors. I have been quoted around $350 to fix the MDC drier and a bit less for the Liberty drier but instead I bought a cheapie that has rather impressed me. Looks like a toy compared to the other driers but has more grunt that I expected and is the same as what Clyde linked above but mine is pink.

Cull is not a dirty word.

In the old days puppies were culled, often ruthlessly, and I believe overall we had more stable dogs.

^^^ this..

Breeders who took responsibility and culled were often called names for doing so - how ever looking around at many different breeds it's become pretty clear culling was for the best.

Don't think for one minute any breeder gets enjoyment out of culling a puppy they have invested so much in to - respect to those who have or do.

Thanks for the responses. I definitely see the benefit of having the twin tanks, but I don't think I want to let this one pass for the price they're asking. Going to view it tomorrow and if it seems ok (do I need to see it in operation? Silly question?) then we'll buy it. Will keep an eye out for a second hand twin tank hydrobath if I decide I need to upgrade :)

Make sure they show you how to use it so you know it works :D