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Incidentally, there are some things that I have given up teaching Kivi as well. He is not very body aware. I can click all I like for something, but if he's not aware of what I'm clicking he tends to throw himself on the ground and whine in short order. He's not very patient when it comes to training. He likes to know how to win the game practically instantly, as opposed to Erik who just seems to love figuring out how to win the game. I always insist he is not stupid. He just doesn't notice much. It's what makes him such an easy dog to live with at other times. He doesn't often get scared or upset by changes, he doesn't make associations about things that lead up to good or bad stuff happening, and he doesn't get easily distracted. He gives amazing focus and he is very reliable when he knows a behaviour. Things like stand are kinda hard for dogs like Kivi, because it's hard for him to tell exactly what he did to get the mark. For him, he was doing nothing. It's better if I can mark a change in behaviour towards what I want rather than exactly what I want.

I honestly believe that some dogs (and probably more handlers) are not well suited to free shaping. It's too stressful for them.

For some dogs showing them what you want gets better results.

I find dogs frantically offering behaviours or tuning out can be consequences of free shaping gone wrong. I figure they're not dangerous animals where free shaping is the only option and most of us don't have endless time to wait for behaviours. Show the dog what you want and reward it - works for most handlers and its certainly how I teach.

A stand can be taught very quickly with luring and a hand on the stifle if necessary to prevent a sit. Horses for courses... a good handler will try a range of methods to get a result. A good instructor can teach a range of potential paths to the end result.

totally agree PF. free shaping stresses my dog and always has even as a puppy. she is very well behaved but i have to show her what i want then she happily does it.

she reads me well and anticipates what is going to happen but free shaping can stress her unbelievably....so i stopped using this as a training tool

I'd be conditioning him to it whilst it's not on and then my touching him with it, giving him affection via it, turn it and leave it on the table until he no longer reacts, then pick it up, put it down etc etc.

this approach worked for me getting my dog used to having her nails filed using a dremel.

i used affection and treats as the reward and i started rewarding any interest in the dremel when it was lying near her then for her sniffing it etc

she now sleeps when i file her nails

i would think the brewers yeast but i am not 100% sure

excellent news

will this help other dogs or just dogsqld members?

will this help other dogs or just dogsqld members?

from the pacers web site:

Our Mission

The singular mission of the MDBA Pacers is to prevent cruelty and neglect to domestic animals by saving domestic animals during disasters and hardship with our rescue, counseling, support, educational and recovery services.

Can someone let me know which of the charities will help 'all dogs' rather than just purebreeds? I suspect that a lot of the dogs on rural properties might be crossbreeds and in any case, as an owner of one purebred and one crossbreed I'd want to save both of mine :D

Don't PACERS help all dogs?

i have seen posts where pacers helps ALL animals regardless of parentage

a couple of things...i think the public would be interested in seeing dogs performing their original roles. i love love love to see a good specimen of the breed doing what it does best, ie a rottie pulling a cart, a cairn going to ground looking for vermin etc (not suggesting we let them chase and kill small furries but it could be simulated )

i do not think a vet check could show all genetic issues like sheridan has said re PLN but i do think a vet check would show some things that may make a dog less able to undertake whatever is required.

i would have thought that any chance we have to show off our dogs in a good light to the public would be a great pr opportunity.

i thought the general rule was age of pup in months x 1 hour?

Lets not forget that its possible to take a dog incubating the parvo virus to a show and have it shedding without ever developing symptoms.

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true PF. i was going more on a couple of posts where it was implied that the person knew the dog was ill but took the dog anyway

Exactly I would say that it's certainly possible to pick up parvo at a dog show, but considering that nearly 100% of dogs at shows are well cared for and vaccinated, your dog would probably have more chance of contracting a disease at the local dog park. Perhaps we should have vet checks at dog parks prior to entry?

no need to be sarcastic. dog parks are quite different than dog shows as you well know

Lets not forget that its possible to take a dog incubating the parvo virus to a show and have it shedding without ever developing symptoms.

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true PF. i was going more on a couple of posts where it was implied that the person knew the dog was ill but took the dog anyway

there have been several threads on this forum complaining that competitors take unwell dogs to shows, some have even said that dogs with parvo were taken to a show.

whilst you may know when your dog is unwell and act responsibly, clearly some others do not.

There've been several threads on this forum complaining about just about everything, doesn't mean that they're true or that the posters haven't misconstrued the situation. Some probably think that any dog that does a slightly soft poo is suffering from parvo. I've been showing for over thirty years and I can count the number of sick dogs I've seen on one hand. I've seen a few cases of kennel cough, but a vet check wouldn't pick this up anyway unless they were specifically looking for it or the dog started coughing.

The number of sick dogs taken to shows would be negligible, I am not saying that it never happens, but it certainly doesn't occur often enough to warrant a vet check of every dog prior to exhibition.

if people are lying or misrepresenting the truth then there is legal action that can be taken against them and i would be doing so if what they have said is false and serious.

how is any person to know what is the truth and what is not. i would have thought saying a dog with parvo was taken to a show fairly serious and if that was a lie then that is appalling.

So it's entirely do-able then, anyway, to conduct the tests at other events, it has just been seen to be no need for the tests at other events.

There are usually only a handful of dogs doing ET at any one time, whereas there can be anywhere from 300 to over 2,000 dogs at a show, even a very cursory vet check would be extremely time consuming.

Personally I don't think that vet checks are necessary, I am quite capable of judging whether my dog is fit enough to attend a show, I certainly don't require a vet's opinion. The MDBA is always telling us that the ANKC has no right to dictate to us when and how often we can breed our bitches and that these decisions should be left up to the breeders, yet on the other hand they are suggesting that we are unable to judge if our dogs are fit enough to enter the show ring. Sounds pretty contradictory to me.

there have been several threads on this forum complaining that competitors take unwell dogs to shows, some have even said that dogs with parvo were taken to a show.

whilst you may know when your dog is unwell and act responsibly, clearly some others do not.

i never use my dogs name for anything much except to talk to her and pat her but nothing serious.

i taught her to recall to "come" and a particular whistle and she rockets back.

Jaxx knows her name but she also knows when it is used it is for cuddles and general not serious things like "come on Jaxx bed time" when really i don't care if she is slow to respond

the only way to get on top of this is to euthanise the feral dogs, desex pets and educate the public

Yes but they need money

they might but i am not going to look at any website that warns me it has adult content so i don't know if this is a legit charity or what they are doing.

shock tactics don't work with me

the only way to get on top of this is to euthanise the feral dogs, desex pets and educate the public

We will not be judging dogs on their breed standard.

We are not having shows the way shows have been traditionally and when we have shows/events it will be for the same reason the ANKC have their traditional shows to test or exhibit the dogs against others of their kind but it wont be by having them handled by a judge and running around a ring.

So what exactly will these 'shows' entail? I've read that all dogs will have to be examined by a veterinary surgeon prior to 'exhibition' (very time consuming) and that the general public will be much more involved than they are at ANKC shows, but other than that everything appears to be very vague. Other than testing for working ability (possible, but will be difficult and once again extremely time consuming at an all breeds show) and ensuring that every dog can do the job for which it was originally bred (even more difficult as some of those jobs no longer exist) I cannot begin to imagine how one of your 'shows' is going to be conducted or what is going to be required of the exhibits.

Ok off topic but how can every dog be examined by a vet? Now most shows have hundreds of entries, you would quite a few vets on hand and what time would the exhibitors be expected to arrive at the show so they have plenty of time to have their dog/s checked..

When I was a gel (well, babe in arms) all exhibits were vet checked prior to the commencement of the show. There weren't as many entries then either,but it did take some time, so we all arrived early. In season bitches were not allowed to be exhibited, incidentally.

The system was abandoned because it too so long to vet check all the entries.

Perhaps if the mdba exhibitions don't have many entries, it will be feasible? Particularly if it begins at 7am or something.

Still OT, I must walk around with blinders on at dog shows as I don't recall seeing sick and injured dogs begin shown... I know a few people that have absentee their dog/bitch because she or he seems a bit off colour.. Just last weekend a exhibitor absentee her dog because the dog seemed to have a sore back.. Others have left dogs at home because they have been unwell, so how many sick dogs are really been shown??

i think there was a thread a while ago about parvo being at a show????

there have also been other threads about ill and sick dogs being shown so i assumed it happened enough for people to be concerned enough to post here about it.

trouble is sway that there is not the supply to meet the demand. how many times have i heard breeders say they breed for themselves? now i am not saying this is wrong but it doesn't meet the needs of the pet buying public.

no use advertising if the puppies aren't there

You inform them why they have to wait, what the benefits are of waiting, in the meantime they can research more, get to know a breederm build a relationship, join the club etc.

''All good things come to those who wait, may those who are impatient get bitten on the ass!''

Yes im joking about people getting bitten, but people need to realise puppies do not sit on shelves and some things are worth waiting for.

they do get bitten unfortunately. i agree with you, we need to inform about waiting times but some breeders also need to not treat puppy buyers with disdain (not all do this of course)

i am talking about puppy buyers who want pure bred puppies

As I said before Advertise where people buy puppies from.

List your puppies, promote your puppies - Sell the better product!

Oodles have done so well because they advertise everywhere - where people buy puppies!

If every breed club advertised on Petlink/Tradingpost about the benefits of buying from a registered breeder, it would turn around.

They need to be consistent - Push the better product!

trouble is sway that there is not the supply to meet the demand. how many times have i heard breeders say they breed for themselves? now i am not saying this is wrong but it doesn't meet the needs of the pet buying public.

no use advertising if the puppies aren't there

there is a lot to be desired in the puppy buying public, no doubt about that but it seems to me that we are making it a bit more difficult than it has to for them.

I disagree. I think the mongrel brigade are just making it easier.

Example - someone I know bought a designer mongrel. Desexed at 8 weeks. All health tests (whatever they were but the puppy farmer was pushing that bit). Clean as a whistle and had a bow in the hair (big deal but people seem to like that crap) and had a health guarantee. 3 thousand dollars for a non shedding mongrel that sheds all over the house They love it, they love the breeder so by the by really, but you guys need to get out their and promote your breed cos if you dont, some mongrel puppy farmer will do it and make people feel all warm and mushy

yes they are.

i am talking about puppy buyers who want pure bred puppies

there is a lot to be desired in the puppy buying public, no doubt about that but it seems to me that we are making it a bit more difficult than it has to for them.

i want every puppy buyer to buy from good reputable breeders but i also know that in order to sort the wheat from the chaff is almost impossible for the average puppy buyer unfortunately

People talk though, dont they? Hey I really really want a Mongolian Fly Catching Terrier. Heyyy I know someone who breeds them in Istanbul. I'll get their website for you.

ANKC wont get an ad campaign going. Breeders have been begging them for years. It's up to us to direct Joe Blow towards good breeders. Some of them will turn around and 'save' a puppy from a pet shop window but some of them will turn to a good breeder if you get in their ear enough.

trouble is they don't talk enough raz.

stormie i have used dogz as a reference where breeders advertise but again puppy buyers have to sort the wheat from the chaff.

sway i think you are seeing it from a different perspective. you know what you do and i assume you know other good breeders but maybe try calling a few breeders you don't know and see what happens to puppy buyers.

choose a breed that has genetic problems and see how forthcoming the breeders are.

i want every puppy buyer to buy from good reputable breeders but i also know that in order to sort the wheat from the chaff is almost impossible for the average puppy buyer unfortunately