jacqui835

Hmm interesting. Sometimes (as a doberman) he meets people who are scared of him, who like back away and sometimes even throw food at him if he looks at them because they think that like if he's full he might spare them or something... If I leave him alone with these people, he teases them, never hurts them of course and never does it at all with children but he will antagonise adults. He will stand close to them, lean on them even and put his head very close to their food. He ignores the people I don't like. Won't come if they call, even if they have like meat for him (as my mum's bf often tried to win him over). The bf often tried to tell him off when he peed on him, and he just runs away. Won't attack or growl or anything, just evades them, whereas with me he stops and crouches or rolls over, looking extra sad and sorry for himself. But how does he know in a group of people the one that I won't mind him peeing on when he's meeting like 10 people for the first time... eta: if you read the first post I mentioned in the first sentence that yes, he is entire.

Ok so I have a male entire dog and maybe that has something to do with it, but it's very weird. He pees on people that I don't like, and their belongings as well. He is completely toilet trained in all other circumstances, never pees in the house - can hold it in for well over 12 hours, never marks our house or even our backyard (he squats and pees like a puppy). But, for example, when I used to go over to my mum's house, should he find a bag of clothes belonging to my mum's new bf, he would pee on it. He would also eat his shoes (but leave everyone else's untouched), and if the guy wasn't watching him, ie drunk and watching tv, the dog will actually pee on him. This bf, without going into too much personal detail has not been particularly nice to me or the dog, and kind of kicked me out of the house which sucked. Anyway, I thought it was just him. I now live interstate, and there is a guy who takes every opportunity to put my partner down - so naturally I dislike him. That said, they have to work on particular projects together and consequently, this guy ended up at our house for dinner. Well Sammy peed on his jacket that he left hanging on a chair in the kitchen, and then, when we were all standing outside at the bbq, he peed on his leg. Now Sammy is being praised as a hero because the guy isn't too popular with anyone, but, I guess I just don't understand (not by us of course though - I am not happy about him peeing on anyone). Is my dog peeing on people that I don't like (can dogs even tell if you don't like someone?) or is something else going on here - and how do I address it? I know it could be worse, but, you can't really have your dog pee on people you don't like. We tell him off, he knows it's wrong, but this is now the 3rd 'enemy' he has peed on, and he hasn't peed on anyone or anything else but seems determined to just keep peeing on these people (ie if he sees them again, he will pee on them and their belongings again). Does anyone else have this problem?

I will be heading up with Sammy again on the 16/10 - and anyone is welcome, but I would also love to attend on the 30/10.

This. I have an entire male, and neutered males often take offense to his presence. My dog has never had an issue with an entire male, only male (bully breeds - maybe the breed or the owners have something to do with it) that were desexed at like 3 months old. My dog has no interest in fighting - he can't really be provoked unless he's defending me (ie unless he's at my feet I know he won't fight). His pee doesn't smell great, but he doesn't mark our house or backyard. Just pees somewhere away from the back door and we can't tell where if we don't see him go. He likes all females very much, but he doesn't forget himself even with females on heat. That said, my sister didn't do any training with her dog (a papillon) and he was always desperate to escape. Now he's desexed, he never runs away and is a much easier dog for them to manage. Horses for courses.

V. interesting articles - thanks for sharing. I'm doing my time in the corporate space for now, but when I have the money (and it's not if, it's when - I'm committed lol) I will be personally attempting to develop a doberman as their creator intended for them to be with erect ears (or connecting and collaborating with others looking to do the same). I feel that their tail enhances their agility - I see mine use his when moving at high speeds and as a rudder when swimming, and I use it myself to grab onto lol so I would like to see them keep that. The only thing is, I note that compared to breeds that have always had a tail, the doberman carries his tail high and consequently it's a weapon of mass destruction and pain, so I would like introduce the low carriage tail - like in the german shepherd etc. Issue is, the bob-tail is dominant, erect ears are not - they are neither dominant nor recessive - so you would need several generations to change that. And how would I maintain all the other traits we so love about our dobies - eg temperament, short coats etc - well I don't know, but it's a goal none the less.

Not to worry - there's always next time... and the time after that... and then once more!! I think we all agreed we'd be back. Most dogs did either 1 or 2 runs. I think Sammy did an extra, and may have needed 5 or 10 more!! Some of us started at 150m for the first run - a warm up... but those rotten Salukis just turned around at the end and coming romping back to mum!! ;) In fact most dogs seemed to have a decent recall... Sonia My money's on Sammy at Angle Park Sammy is a great adverstisement for anyone who thinks they can handle a dog from working lines... We love his energy - keeps us motivated when we go mountain climbing etc but the truth is he needs 1+ hours exercise a day, and literally one whole day of each weekend (preferably both though) just spent doing exercise - and if you think he crashes after that, you're wrong. I will definitely be taking him again. The petshop we go to decided Sammy was too skinny, so he just been switched onto a performance/working food - so who knows how many laps he will need next time... Trevor said the next time the track is available is the 16/10, so I will be heading up then and will grab numbers of everyone who wants to come too a bit closer to the event.

I don't know how but somehow my dog does too. I think it might have something to do with the fact that he was raised with 2 papillons and 2 cats... (he will chase cats if they run, but not attack, whereas possums and rabbits will be chased and caught, and um plucked but not killed...)

Will do The greyhound people also loved having some people there to watch the dogs, we were asked during the training to come and watch them race.

This seems very difficult though. The other day at my training class, a possum with a death wish decided to run across the entire field, past about 5 different dog classes (with about 10 people per class). You can imagine the chaos that ensued, and the possum didn't live to tell the tale. The biggest issue was trying to prevent fights over the damn thing once it was caught. The dogs were on lead, but pulled suddenly and many got away (even from the class that was at trial level) - I think some breeds and then some dogs in particular just want to hunt more.

Great pics. Thanks Rob Love the pics of Earl Pele slept most of the day on the couch. Had to wake her to go to the park Jealous Sammy is restless now and making a nuisance of himself as we try to make dinner - Dan reckons we should have let him run another lap lol

They need the track for the next two weekends for the greyhounds, so I plan to go not next weekend, not the weekend after that but the weekend after that (in 3 weekends lol). Next time I'll get Dan to stand in the middle of the track so we can see them coming, passing and going. The Pharaoh Hound looks amazing - we have high expectations now! (jokes)

I have to apologise, Dan was standing at the end so could only catch the ones who came close. Esky was a free spirited animal - she had other ideas

Looking great for 7... Whippets are long-lived aren't they?

It was 300m, but some people only ran a half track.

Awesome I would love to see a Pharaoh Hound :D

The dobie: Sorting the 'rabbit' out at the end... And um.. 1 pig:

Salukis - managing to look cool and composed the entire time: The Kelpie:

The Bull Terrier: The Bloodhound: "Strutting his stuff"

A couple of photos First, the masters to show us how it's done:

Hey guys, it was an awesome day thanks everyone for coming; and as I thought, my dog was beyond obsessed... After I don't know how many runs he actually ended up doing (including the very embarrassing off the track run :rolleyes:) he's still not tired. I love the photos so far - the salukis are particularly photogenic. I am in the process of trying to upload some myself now from Dan but it's taking aggggeeesss. I will definitely be doing this again - I have never seen Sammy so happy. We timed him, he did the course in 17 seconds and the greyhounds do it in 14-15 so he's not even too bad lol. Trevor has my number and I have his - they have racing for the next 2 weekends but after that we are free to go up again (so long as it's not too hot), and I would love to do this with Sammy once a month even and of course I'd love company Photos on their way...

Hey guys, the full name of the park is South Australian Handgun Metallic Silhouette & Shooting Club/State Shooting Range, Park Road, Virginia. I did offer to pay, but she never mentioned anything about money. I will call again either tomorrow (if I have time at work) or Saturday and I will confirm if there is going to be a price - Judi is really lovely to talk to So excited, I feel like my dog's dream would be to be in an environment where he felt like he could just chase rabbits and this is about as close as I think we can get...

Damn if you were in SA I would definitely let my dog help you. He has used mirrors to find us and if I gesture at him to come when he's looking in a mirror (ie no sound used), he spins around and comes straight to me. He sometimes checks himself out, seems to know it's him and isn't too interested. He will happily study us (his people) in the mirror though. Good luck with your study

Ok guys great news, finally heard back from Judi. They're happy for us to come this Sunday, 8:30am to the State Shooting Park, on Park Rd in Virginia, SA. I am so excited, I wish there was a way to tell dogs what's in store for them She made no mention of muzzles, just that we have our dogs on lead when we arrive. Let me know who wants to come, because I might give her or Trevor (the guy who runs the track) a final call to confirm either tomorrow or Saturday - I said we would probably have between 5-10 people and they had no issues.

Having just read the too submissive thread, it made me wonder about my own dog. He has never submitted to another dog in his whole life - and he spends a lot of time with other dogs. That said, he doesn't fight - and even if another dog is very obviously trying to start something, he will not fight or submit. He will just jump around so the other dog can't put his head over his back, or mount him or anything like that. And normally that's as far as it goes - the other dog seems to realise it would be quite a challenge to dominate him and they both just walk off and get on with it - sometimes they even seem to become friends (often in the case where it's another entire male). One thing I have learned though is that if he returns to me and the other dog follows, I need to intervene then and there. He will not walk away if he's at my feet - he will stand his ground. It's like he comes to me as if to say, this dog is going to attack me, can you do something about it? If not, I will have to defend us both. This has happened twice when I was too slow and not paying enough attention. The good thing though is that if we can remove the other dog, my dog is not at all interested in trying to pursue or continue the fight, and will just walk past the other dog without seeming to notice him from then on (normally the owner puts their dog on a lead at this stage). This doesn't happen often - strangely it is almost always a desexed male that will be offended by his presence for some reason. What does it mean though that my dog will not submit to other dogs? Is he too dominant? And should I be trying to make him submit to other dogs?

Oh that sounds awesome. I don't think dobermans retrieve anything - mine certainly won't unless you really insist. That said, he doesn't kill things either. He will hunt and catch rabbits, then lie down with them and pluck them a little, but the rabbit is otherwise unharmed. Before the dobe, we owned a terrier. If he caught a bird, mouse, rat or rabbit etc, it was dead.