APBT

HAHAH i always thought you were joke doit4thedogz. Rottiadora just enforced it even more.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Still a tool though....

HAHAHA so true.

HAHAH i always thought you were joke doit4thedogz. Rottiadora just enforced it even more.

the dog does need papers, otherwise the owners can keep the dog as is but will make it very hard to fly the dog overseas,

If i was the owners i would keep the dog no matter what, who cares if people thinks its an APBT, very similar breeds anyway.

Its very quick if you just pop her mouth open and chuck it down her throat. Once you get use to this it is really easy. I then give a treat after.

yah best way, give the throat a bit of a rub and good as gold.

TBH, $4000, i wouldent pay a cent.

shes a joke.

They speak of lock jaw in the APBT which we know is incorrect as far as it's jaw structure goes, but where they hang on to finish the job regardless if someone kicks, punches, puts the hose on them etc etc to break up a fight, the "gameness" of the dog is what keeps the dog fighting on despite all attempts to stop it.

A ranger told me once that gameness in a dog if a fight erupts don't back off until the fight is over regardless what instigated the fight. A dog that isn't "game" can be easily stopped from fighting, a kick or punch, hosing them down, or even yelling at them will cause a retreat which the ranger I recall told me was the difference???. He also said that some dogs have a vision for threat removal where they will bite if challenged, but if the threat retreats, the job is done. Some which is often consistant with the APBT if a fight develops, they fight to the end and virtually nothing will stop them???.

He was totally wrong.

Good posts "Greytmate"

Which part is totally wrong rottiadore , most of what the ranger told me reflects the same as what Greytmate has told us???

A game dog "can" be handled and stopped from fighting whilst retaining a will to win because of their level head. That is one of the things looked for in a pit fighting dog. Nobody wants a dog that can't be stopped or controlled by a handler. Both dogs must be able to fight another day.

exactly, owners are sometimes in the pit while the dogs are fighting, and some of the fighting dogs are kept inside with the family like any other dog.

the other owners should not of been encouraging your dog, but that aside i would only offer to pay for half.

This is "Game"

What is a Game Test?

I would describe a game test as a hard roll for your dog, usually, but not always thirty minutes or longer. It is a roll in which your dog will get hurt, tired and getting the worst of the fight. This game test will tell you what your dog will do when he is tired and being handled by his opponent. Does he have the gameness to keep trying to win against a stronger dog, when he's tired and on the bottom most of the time? How does he act in his corner? How does he scratch into a dog that's getting the best of him? The game test will answer all of these questions and also tell you about your dogs stamina and fighting abilities. A game test should never be against an opponent of the opposite sex. To make sure that your dog gets the most out of the roll, their opponent should be several pounds heavier, but do not overdo this!

-From The Bull Terrier Times Magazine

And yes Game dogs need much more attention and will be more DA then your average bred house APBT.

Pits were bred to be game, not DA. An aggressive dog is a scared dog and of no use to a dog fighter. Pits have stable temperment. In the states a Pit is defined as an Amstaff an APBT or a SBT. Rightly so as their history proves them to be one and the same breed. Looks differ due to different standards but what makes the dog is what's in it's head. DA is not a problem if the owners are not in denial. If we removed all DA or HA dogs from society there would be very few left. Pits were bred as hunting dogs and only a tiny minority ever abused, yes that's right, fighting Pits are the victims of abuse. The sooner this is recognised the better. Even so many of the biggest names in dogfighting had their fighting Pits (which they called Bulldogs anyway) as house dogs, raised with children and some not even willing to fight outside a Pit. Stereotyping is wrong whether we apply it to humans or dogs. Those attacking Pits are usually using the dogs to attack the owners. Illegal to do openly so get em by killing their pets. That is why Pits have such a bad rep.

mate the only way to tell if an APBT is game is to match it, and yes they were bred with the trait of being DA, HA was the trait culled out of the breed early on. And APBT were bred to fight not really hunt, If it wasent for there fighting past and the dogmen didn't do what they did we wouldn't have these beautiful APBT's we have today and people should respect that.

If its puppy milk thats ok, but not too much, and like stated above, dont be fussy, is your dog is hungry it will eat, they will not starve themselves

unfortunantly, some apbt owners do rather a da dog. if you bought a breed and it wouldnt act like it was interested in the task it was bred for it would hardly be a reperesentation of the breed. sounds stupid but thats just the way it is.

funny thing is the apbt owners that do prefer that are the ones that you will never hear about, mainly because their dogs dont get the chance to attack people or other dogs, they are contained properley, and controled at all times.

and i can say i know of a few people from the states that prefer that trait in their dogs.

I dont have a Problem with people owing game bred and DA APBT's if they have the experience and know what there doing with the dog, in the wrong hands its a different story.

yer need to be careful with car tires, they have metal in them which can damage the teeth, i think my girl is going to need some getting used to the traffic cone, haha its huge.

What about bike tyres, are they safe?

yes bike tires are fine, if you want something a bit stronger wheelbarrow tires are great, and the inner tubes can be used as a type of spring pole for the dogs aswell

We have owned 3 APBT's purchased from reputable breeders in the past and I found them to be the most loving and gentle dogs I have ever known. Personally I would have trusted our APBT's with our children/babies any day, over my mothers chihuahua!! All three would watch our kids as babies/toddlers protectively and get all concerned if they tripped or hurt themselves. They tolerated having ears and tails pulled, little hands stealing dog biscuits out of their bowls while eating, and being climbed all over. Though our dogs were very well socialized and professionally obedience trained.

It amuses me the most when you hear about a dog attack by a vicious APBT...and see it on the news or in the paper and it is a staf cross or some other breed, looking nothing at all like an APBT!!

ive had plenty of little kids come of to pat my APBT, i dont even have to think twice about her nipping ect, and like you sed, you can take food right out of her mouth with no issue.

yer need to be careful with car tires, they have metal in them which can damage the teeth, i think my girl is going to need some getting used to the traffic cone, haha its huge.

Just becasue the Breed standard says there DA dose not mean everyone will be, there is just a higher tendency, mines has no aggression towards any dogs.

Most of the APBT around these days are not game tested or game bred so to speak. so its not asif we have Fighting APBT's running the streets, just uneducated people running the streets.

Why don't you ask the Roads Authority (eg. Vic Roads, if you're in Vic) what they are made of? I presume you acquired them on the up and up, and that you wouldn't be dobbing yourself in by asking.

on the up and up? please, my uncle uses them for work.

its not plastic, its a real think rubber like a kong, the same traffic cones you see on the roads ect.

As far as I know they are not rubber, which is a natural product. Rather they are a flexible synthetic. But I guess different brands might be different.

There is some evidence that chemicals in those type of plastics can be ingested, and there has been a ban on children's toys being made out of flexible plastic for quite a while now.

The ingestion of those chemicals has been tenuously linked to cancer in dogs.

there would be all sorts of grades ect of soft rubber, just not sure about the traffic cones

its not plastic, its a real think rubber like a kong, the same traffic cones you see on the roads ect.

Got my self some of those heave duty rubber traffic cones and just wondering would they be ok for a chew toy, There huge so could be cut in to strips or even left whole for the real destructive one,

Not sure of the type of rubber they use so just wondering,

Pits have a bad rep because people don't understand them and anything they don't understand is scary. Pits are a game dog, not an aggressive dog. Coupled with the nonsense that they fight to the death, never give up, are unpredictable, have 2000lb jaw pressure can anyone not dislike them. IMO governments and the RSPCA have used them to scare people into donating to them and using the divide and conquoer principle to line their own pockets. The media love them because they can get all sorts of lurid footage from dogfightering busts and boost ratings. The dog world didn't recognise the breed under that name so didn't care even tho the SBT and Amstaff are one and the same breed! Finally they were an easy target for those opposed to pet ownership and for governments to control citizens through their pets. Dog owners, instead of standing together felt they could sacrifice the Pit and their breeds would be left alone. Now legislation is in place it is simpler for other breeds to be added in future which will happen unless the dog owners in this country grab the bull by the horns (or is it ba**s) and band together to vote out their opponents. IMO BSL also helps councils and "shelters" kill any dog that resembles a Pit without any justification, leaving more money to be spent on executive salaries.

you speak the truth

Anyone have a problem with the dogs and the blue tongues around? they seem to be pretty aggressive towards the dogs.

Another pic

beautiful dog.

The City of Brampton seems to be a joke, to even think the first dog is an american pitbull let alone the second which looks like a dane is pathetic.

thats not an amstaff, if anything from those pictures its an american pitbull or a x or one.

Disgusting.