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  1. I saw a Stewart take their sweet ass time last night intervenning.....made me wonder how quickly they are meant to come in after a dog has broken,

    I just had a quick look at the ANKC rules, but cannot see anything that states this. My understanding is that handlers and stewards are all under the control of the judge and must wait for an instruction from the judge.

  2. Unfortunately, in NSW unless a handler or steward is directed to retrieve a dog, they aren't allowed to. Having said that, I've seen handlers go and retrieve their dog without the judges permission (usually in CCD or CD) - and basically have the attitude of "damn the consequences". I think some judges tell handlers to stay instead telling them to retrieve their dogs because they think that sending the handler back may make all the other dogs break. If I ever compete, and my dog breaks, or if my dog is being stood over by another, I know that I will be going to retrieve/protect my dog, then dealing with the consequences from the judge later.

  3. Random thought here, so not sure how much it will help. Sometimes when you teach a dog to walk backwards, by luring with a treat, the will sit - I think it is partly it is what they are used to being lured into, and partly positioning of the treat/lure.

    When I was shown how to lure a dog to walk backwards, it was to place the lure in front of the dog, but towards the chest - they have to look down to see the lure (less chance of sitting) and for walking backwards, often they will step backwards to try to see the lure.

    My suggestion is, instead of having the treat "in line with the nose", to move the treat forward, but slightly downward (but not enough to prompt a drop!!!) - just a thought that it might be useful to play with the positioning of the lure to see if it makes any difference.

  4. How do you define stubborness in dogs???

    I dunno, that's why I'm asking you guys! :D

    On the other hand, my other dog gets very routinised. If I suddenly ask something of him in a situation that occurs often in which he is never asked to do that thing he will get this muleish look on his face and just refuse to do it. I guess I consider that stubbornness because it's hard to jolt him out of that mindset. It doesn't really matter much what the reward history for that behaviour I'm asking for is. He's just like "I don't do that here." He can be quite stubborn about his own rules. He makes rules based on what typically happens, so if I don't want him to make rules for situations that he will later stick to very stubbornly, I should vary what happens after what so he can't get into a routine. If that makes sense.

    I personally wouldn't call that stubborness, I would consider it an lack of ability to generalise, resulting in confusion.

  5. How would you define stubbornness in dogs? Do you have a stubborn dog? If so, what makes you think it is stubborn.

    How do you tell if a dog is being stubborn, or doesn't know how to behave, or doesn't have a strong enough reward history to overcome the pull of other rewards present? Just as an example.

    How do you define stubborness in dogs???

  6. Many people (including myself) have labelled our deerhound x as "stubborn". When we first adopted her, she was not at all food, toy or tug motivated. If you tried to lure her with food, she would happily watch the food move away from her and make absolutely no attempt to follow it. It was almost like she thought "oh, so that's how it works around here" and just accepted things. She was 12-18 months old when we first adopted her, and whilst she was very socialable, had not been taught anything - she did not know how to sit, drop or walk on a lead. And no concept that food or toys could be hers as a reward. So, not sure if this is what you would class as stubborn, or had just missed the opportunity to learn how to learn.

    Now, whilst she is not that food motivated, she will follow food as a lure. She knows that toys and tugs can be rewards, but isn't that enthused by them. You really have to work hard to teach her and motivate her - it is almost like she needs a really, really good reason to do something. I took her to a tracking day once. She seemed to get the idea of following the track fairly quickly on her first try. Second try, she was like "we've already done this once, why are we doing it again?!" Third time, I think I laid the track and she didn't want to start - I didn't push her, as I know from experience there is no point.

    So, perhaps not stubborn, but very, very low in motivation and bores of things easily. Due to personal stuff, I haven't trained with her as much as I normally would - I would normally try to shape a trick, for 1-2 mins, every other day (emphasis on try!) - because the "good" rewards haven't been available as frequently, I have noticed that she is much more enthusiastic in working for those rewards when they are available. So, perhaps "deprivation" (in it's mildest sense) has helped to increase her motivation.... not sure though...

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