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  1. Then there are accusations of bias, and an assumption the vet has intimate knowledge of a breeders program, goals and health history of dogs not in front of them. Some dogs seldom see a vet, apart from vaccinations and chips. It gives the expectation of a duty beyond the purpose Vets train for. A healthy dog has no reason to be seen by a vet.(edited to say little reason to see a vet) I Could see a lot of potential problems, but Its easy to see why Vets would want to help promote breeders who they do see as doing every thing right for the health of the dogs they produce, when they deal with the opposite so much.
  2. Yes. But I can understand their reservations. I think my idea could overcome those drawbacks, and reinforce the idea that breeders and buyers share responsibility for the dogs that are being supported by their choices. It would also bring back the more obvious missing elements of the natural selection processes that gave us domestic dogs, and eventually breeds, enhanced by the available science and its communication. A better familiarity with whats being utilised, why and to what purpose.
  3. There are now comprehensive DNA tests available, improving all the time. The Embark tests for multiple factors across breeds that could easily become compulsory for dogs used for breeding and tied into the dogs microchip on a publicly accessed data base. I believe it also tests for inbreeding levels and funds ongoing research into genetics and behaviour. Registration fees for entire dogs could be reduced for inclusion as part of the breeders program and transparency of practices. It could also be tied to veterinary interventions . I would expect such a system would serve to train both breeders and buyers to research more effectively, and understand the risks and limitations of any breeding program, while illustrating the importance of having one with genuine goals that look beyond the breeders immediate purpose. (show ring wins, profit work or whatever) I think its most beneficial effect would be in educating the public, on how and what to look for getting a dog, and would result in more effective breeders. Because breeders are only as good as the public that supplies and supports them.
  4. I had a similar problem with my boy. Feet and belly were always worst affected, and nothing seemed to help. I began to suspect a grass allergy. I had people telling me No, it would not be that. But after trying everything I kept coming back to the Kikuyu lawn I had started. Got rid of my lawn and hey presto, never again!. It took awhile to get rid of. It was very obvious I had found the culprit though because he would find a small patch and it would flare again. I would get rid of that patch and it was all good til another managed to sprout. Might be worth a trial to keep him off Kikuyu for a while and see what happens.
  5. What are they rolling in?

    Brings back horrible memories!The sloppiest cow dug available used to be a rinse and repeat treat. Its also made me realise.... NONE of my dogs have done this that I can recall for the last 30 years!?!
  6. Man dies from severe injuries caused by his pet dog

    Agreed. I wouldn't say prey drive is widely used as a training tool, but much more accepted for the purpose in many breeds and sports for the very sharp and showy response that drive can give and the greater availability of people/video able to teach how to make use of it. especially in its more extreme forms, I do believe it was much more quickly 'culled' from dogs in the past, with sociability and impulse control expected more often as individual traits rather than specific to handler control. And strong prey being a drive I expect is quick to resurface without being actively selected against. No training at all....quite likely. Dog parks have their problems and I don't see that a dog beach would be much different.
  7. Man dies from severe injuries caused by his pet dog

    I would not risk riding on a dog beach these days. Not many dogs could be expected to be 'socialised' to horses, and prey drive/defence/pack drives could all easily come into play. 1st with a strange beast rushing towards then galloping away. Prey drives, I believe, are much more utilised and accepted today than in the past as a training tool. Not to excuse those attacks, but I do think high drives in dogs intended as pets are much more prevalent than say 50 years ago, when dogs were less confined and sociability/trustworthy was part of their 'environmental selection'. A higher degree of selection for response to unpredictable environments and triggers was at play. Even dogs used to horses will often want to run with those when they are having a good gallop, and take a mixed group of dogs unfamiliar with horses and throwing them together with horses at speed, IMO is not worth the risk. I don't think many owners could say they would be well prepared for that situation.
  8. Nah, not the same thing, but I watched my sisters Dingo X GSD do the same. Sister on the phone, Dog stands over the rubbish bin and waits till she looks before grabbing a mouth full and bolting. Sis tried to cure counter surfing with chilli in meat. Dog takes one and gives sister a 'look' then deliberately takes the rest. A hand full that girl, with brains I loved!
  9. Are we stressing our dogs out?

    I 'm pretty sure there is a genetic component as well. Other research I've read says storm phobias in particular generally occurr around 6 yrs. I think it can be genetic or environmental, both or neither. Not sure if gun shy would be the same but I do know I would avoid a dog if either parent had noise phobia, and especially a young dog showing signs. Behaviour isn't some thing I would be willing to compromise for type. You loose an ability for the dogs bred to respond to their purpose.
  10. Are we stressing our dogs out?

    I also think the study was too narrow with only 2 breeds. With my own dogs, (livestock and personal protection) We kept mostly females over a long period . The male was just as sensitive to emotion but handled it very differently. A female was provided with a dark box in the lounge during a thunderstorm. Her phobia stemmed from a lightning strike at home while we were away. Two other females in contact with her during storms also developed storm phobias. ( I keep storm phobic dogs away from others when distressed now) Our boy did not. This day he lay at the entrance to the box offering comfort and would get up now and again to go outside and watch the storm before going back to comfort and guard. We had a woman visiting who was terrified of dogs after an attack as a child. She was visibly cowering. I was about to put the boy away for her when he approached the woman with the most submissive and loose posture he had ever displayed and lifted her hand with his head. He was allowed to stay, the woman was not afraid of him though he was a huge boy. It was beautiful watching her smile, reach out to him and her tension just melt away.( shes since got a dog!) This was not a submissive dog ever. The same dog I watched sitting a burley near 7 ft man down after I'd told him to wait and he leaped up out of his seat to follow me, and who kept a hatchet carrying intruder from the yard.
  11. Words don't come easy

    So sorry Sandgrubber. The size of the hole they leave can be overwhelming. Run free Jarrah. A lovely name. Be kind to yourself.
  12. Unplanned litter

    The op came here asking help in navigating their legal and ethical responsibilities. Not how to 'ethically' avoid them. I'm sure that advise was appreciated, as an option given, but the op has no obligation legally or ethically to accept that option. Judgement on outcomes is very premature. By assuming the worst of possible out comes is a given, The 'education of the public' thats so badly needed to avoid those is not given, its taken away. If you take away the rights of people to make decisions on the welfare of their own animals, they will understand less of how to do that, or why some things are done as they are. The problems get worse, not better. When the idea is promoted that pups be 'ethically' desexed before sale, because people can't be trusted to care for their their own companion animals, thats not addressing the problem. It does however feed the A.R agenda. Big time. Weather or not a profit is made should be irrelevant. Choosing the best homes for the resulting pups is not, though I doubt the members here will have the chance to assist in that outcome . The chance for education through this forum has been lost. Again. Because ANKC members and supporters don't support education of the environment thats needed to support them, as breeders. They believe, somehow, that shrinking that breeders environment to ANKC alone will some how leave them an environment worth having at all. So easy to argue that any environment left is incapable of responding favourably to Dogs as a species, or that keeping them serves any real purpose.
  13. Unplanned litter

    While I understand the concerns of people on this forum, I agree with Asal and see the mental health comments as unhelpful, at best. And a poor example of discrediting those you disagree with out having to resort to logic or fact. The O.P has shown concern for the welfare of mother and pups, a desire to achieve best outcomes, and operate with responsibility and within the law. If those without the experience and familiarity of potential problems feel they can come back for advise, many of those can be avoided. The education of your customer base is a responsibility of breeders that increases with knowledge and experience,. It doesn't decrease. Its not void when that assistance is to a non ANKC member. If that were true, ANKC would serve no real purpose to its environment or support base. ANKC purpose would not be to dogs, only to pedigrees. ANKC will continue to decline with no purpose beyond its 'self'. This attitude of censure for what ocurrs outside of ANKC rules and protocols, assuming the worst possible outcomes, ensures they will continue. It ensures that breeders will continue to desex babies unformed, instead of addressing the cause. If the public that supports registered breeders are so irresponsible such actions are 'needed', I think ANKC and other registering bodies need to look to their own responsibilities to a healthier environment before they supply it. I would simply not sell a dog to a person who I felt was unable to make important decisions on its welfare and follow through. When the public are unfit to make those decisions why breed indeed.
  14. Yes. The K.C documents purpose was to define the K.C identity. The space it would occupy in the dog breeder environment. The conditions members of that space sign up to support. In defining that space by what it is not, Its been included by definition. Their conditions tied together in opposition and reduction.
  15. "Dog breeding" Is a space in the environment where its conditions are supported by the values brought to that purpose. Its a space. As such, Its defined by its own definition. It can't be measured by any measure other than the confines of its own space. The K.Cs are defining that space based on its condition. The measure of a condition is reduced by definition. Its conditional. It depends on supporting conditions to manifest. The measures used to support the K.Cs are opposing , Both its space and its support, due a statement that a) Removes definition of that space, (It does the opposite) And b) to removes support for conditions because they are not recognised in that space. Opposing measures are being used to support the K.Cs and the space given dog breeding in the environment . Its physics. If the K.Cs realy want to ignore that, its on them. And on the future of dog breeding. Because The K.Cs have included all dog breeders space in their own definition.
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