bridie

This is all new to me .. this blitzing of backyards to control fleas.

Just what is done/used?

I would find it hard to consider doing this , as I imagine all other insects, etc would be adverseley affected by whatever poison kills fleas

Does anyone have any links/info about what chemicals are used, and effects on other arthropods?

I do use the occasional bomb in the house -dogs are treated with permoxin when needed..house dogs have Advantage because of their sharing beds etc with cats.Cats rarely get a flea, luckily, so don't need anything more than some paraffin oil on their ears when they do get some :D (we only get the stickfast/rabbit flea here.. dangerous little buggers, which also infest poultry/pet birds when conditions are right .

I have heard of dousing lime around the yard. I haven't looked into it,because I haven't

needed to...as yet!

Sorry I havent been online. We lost a friend to cancer last night. The last two weeks have been hell.

So far so good-ish. Indie seems normal so far but Bonnie is very lethargic. Her gums are a very light salmon colour now (usually bright red). She is drinking gallons of water but is still eating ok, she wont play (usually she is flat chat doing zoomies and wrestling in the yard), only wants to sleep on the sofa or sunbake in the grass. She is so quiet. I think Bonnie must have eaten most/all of it as Indie is only 20kg whilst Bon is 25kg so surely he would have been affected sooner. My poor girl.

After talking to the manufacturer of the bait, they said it would take 7-10days for the symtoms(bleeding) to appear, so we will know by Wednesday how they are coping. With all your positive stories and prayers I have so much hope that they may pull through this. My poor OH is still kicking himself everytime he looks at them. Needless to say the bait went straight into the outside bin and will never be near our house again. Im acting normal on the outside, just gutted on in the inside, I dont want my emotions to rub off on the kids and the dogs. Kids are already asking me why the dogs have to take tablets daily and why Bonnie wont play with them, I just said they have sore tummys and hopefully the tablets will make them feel better. Taking oh so many photos of my beautiful pups just incase the worst happens. Thankyou so much for all your kind words and for the candles, they are lovely.

Julzjc

Tomorrow is the beginning of a much better week for you,it never rains it always "pours" when there is strife.Sorry about your friend.

Julz, Indie & Bonnie should be kept quiet as they are,with the lethargy being another sympton,I was wondering if you can add Glucose to the drinking water......so she doesn't feel so flat.

All the best wishes are coming your way.

I'm not sure how much they ate? But we treat with vitamin K for 6-8 weeks and have never lost any dogs that get onto the treatment in time.

Dogs generally have 2 days of Vitamin K stores, so by rights you would have lost your dogs by now if you were going to. Did they take some blood and do an activated clotting time? Is there already evidence of blood loss in your dogs i.e. pale gums or bruising?

Unless it's some sort of new bait that I don't know about, if they are on the correct Vitamin K dosage they should be perfectly normal in 10 days but you need to keep treating for 6 weeks at least.

He said he will treat them for 6weeks. Its a slow release rat bait that takes 4-7days to work on a rat assuming they have eaten 4grams. The dogs ate between 20-40g. I am praying so hard that they do pull through this one. He said he didnt think the blood test would help as even if it came back negitive today, it may be positive tomorrow with the slow acting poision? He would treat both of them regardless with Vit K. I really hope your right and the Vit K stops this. praying your right. Indies gums are a bit pale and Bonnie eyes are pretty bloodshot but sure its from pulling on her collar at the vet. Indie, Im not sure, maybe his gums were always this pale? Not grey or white but nowhere near as rosie red as Bonnies. Bonnie has been eating grass all day long, she wanted out at 4.30am this morning just to go and eat grass and has been really quiet. Indie must have taken it down(not something Bonnie wouild do) but if she has seen him with it, she would have stood over him for it.

I just want to say thankyou so much to the DOL community. Im on my own tonight. My OHs 75yr old grandmother fell down a flight of concrete stairs today aswell and fractured her spine so OH is away to spend the night with his grandfather. Thankyou for giving me a (virtual) shoulder to cry on, its means alot. By no means is my mind at ease but all your positive stories have giving me so much more hope, thankyou so much everyone.

Julzjc

bump bump where are you is everything okay???? we are all thinking of you and wondering how it is today?

i have been thinking of this and was wondering if there were any natural remedies that might assist.

i have done a bit of a search and found the following:

-activated charcol can help reduce the effects of poisoning

-maybe something to boost the liver function to process the poison more quickly

-maybe a general vitamin

before giving anything though maybe call the vet and see if there is anything else you can give the dog to help reduce the effects?

My thoughts too...what else can be done,Charcoal is used to absorb but within 2 hours & no later than 12 hours. I'm sure we have all had a cry over this thread,whilst there is life there is hope,36-48 hours appear to be the critical periods,so keep pulling for them.

That's it for me,back to horrible mouse traps.I've been afraid mine might try & eat the mouse after.

No more Rat Sack,not ever.....rather put up with mice than all this worry you are going through.....I'm sure many others have taken this same discision today.

So Julz you are not alone we are all with you

All that have read this will think & pray for your two all day long,tomorrow and the next week for how ever long it takes.

Please try & stay positive,they will feel your sadness & there are many positive out comes from others that have been in your shoes so be optimistic for each day....each hour at a time to get through this terrifying time.

excellent thread: should be pinned...

I agree.

Look at all the time it took to compile how kind & selfless of OP. Otherwise it will get lost amongst all the pages.

Who can do this...Troy or his Helpers

Thanks everyone. Bridie, I'll be interested to hear how you go with it, please let me know once you've put it up. There are a couple on the market, which one did you get?

Oakway, do you remember what sort it was? I'm happy to spend more on a better unit so long as it works.

I purchased the Petsafe one with p+p it cost me $100.I am extremely happy with it,I had one dog who hid as soon as I as much as threatened to use it after the first time ,other doesn't bark as she did at anything that went past.

I would say no use for a neighbours dog unless it was at your fence line.I'm thinking of taking it around to them so they can see how effective it is.

Is there a human one....would be handy at times

We had one in one of the boarding kennels where I worked years ago and after being installed the noise dropped to little or nothing.

As soon as the new dogs that came in knew what it meant the barking would very minimal.

Gees I think every-one should have one. I had never heard of it until last week,so I suppose there are lots of folk that have never heard of such a thing.

Thanks everyone. Bridie, I'll be interested to hear how you go with it, please let me know once you've put it up. There are a couple on the market, which one did you get?

Oakway, do you remember what sort it was? I'm happy to spend more on a better unit so long as it works.

It cost me $100.00,I've no idea right now the brand etc. but it looks like a remote.I was told about it by an old breeder & was told that now-a days she only has to pick it up & they just know not to bark.Keep you posted.

My neighbours dogs are driving me crazy. They were still barking non stop at midnight on Saturday night.

Has anyone tried the ultrasonic bark silencer for someone else's dogs?

I know exactly how you feel,I have one on order ,so some-time this week,will let you know.I bought it for my 2 that carry on when they see some-one go past,BUT I also have neighbours dogs that drive me crazy.I've talked & talked & talked,suggested everything under the sun,

all to no avail,apart from council what the hell does one do,I have no idea how they put up with it.

I have no doubt "we" will get howled down even thinking of trying to shut the neighbours dogs up!

News flash on channel 7.

A Chihuahua was stolen from its pen at today's royal show.

Police are seeking 2 men of asian appearance.

Very scary. Hope the poor dog is recovered, its owners must be frantic.

Has Harry been found yet?

I thought about it but just figured if she hasn't been here since June she wouldn't see the pm? But thinking about it if she is still a member she would get a email to say she has a pm wouldn't she??

Hey guys,she is still here she posted a few ticks ago In Puppy Problems.

i think you must have seen the thread she started. if you look at her profile she hasnt posted since 31/3

Sorry you are right....but she is in to scrap booking gees that would take up any spare time they have shops that go on until midnight & all nighters,some of them are more obsessed than "us" Dolers

I thought about it but just figured if she hasn't been here since June she wouldn't see the pm? But thinking about it if she is still a member she would get a email to say she has a pm wouldn't she??

Hey guys,she is still here she posted a few ticks ago In Puppy Problems.

i think you must have seen the thread she started. if you look at her profile she hasnt posted since 31/3

No today

move the meal to first thing in the morning, not in the afternoon. Energy to work off the calories and wont sit on the food letting it simply be used as storage

Some one on DOL told me about cooked mashed pumpkin,great filler,I either put cooked liver with or sardines.I had to buy human sardines as they would not touch the "cat variety"fussy little sods.Have you also looked into Glucosomine & chondroiten for her joints & cartilidge?

You are doing well

I thought about it but just figured if she hasn't been here since June she wouldn't see the pm? But thinking about it if she is still a member she would get a email to say she has a pm wouldn't she??

Hey guys,she is still here she posted a few ticks ago In Puppy Problems.

One recent enquiry:

Im really really interested in getting a female black and white Border Collie and as i can see u have puppies due soon... Just wondering how much one will cost?.. It doesn't have to be show quality as i will only want it for a companion dog!

I tell people the price of my puppies and what they get (ped papers, worm, vacc, mico chip, puppy pack etc)

I do not charge more for colour or male or female. Where some in my breed do. It is often you see black/white $900, red/white or other colours $1000+, just because they are coloured. I remember one add there were also different prices for males/females and colours, including a difference between a blue merle male to a blue merle female. (All pet/limit price).

I don't justify my price so much as put it in a way "This is what you get for that price" in the form of health testing, back up reassurance, etc

I have found many pet buyers do not know the difference between main/limit register or show/pet. I give 99% of my enquiries the same time. (Apart from the obvious scam ones or asia ones). You do not know how much research they have done - You could be the first breeder they have chosen to contact and do not know our world. You don't want to put them off and send them to a BYB. So I give the first email the benefit of the doubt.

I have saved in a text document a structured response that has the essential information about what I do, and what you get by getting a pup from me, health test results etc. Saves me retyping the same information over and over again.

Misti,that is a time saving great idea,I also have a photo folder with pups & parents for "THAT" time,don't like that time actually,find it can be rather draining,hate parting with puppies.....as much as they create a lot of work(time)I postpone it until I know I have to get on with it.Can't help but love them all.

today I had two enquiries for puppies, (Of which I don't have any, not planning another litter until this time next year).

the long and short of the both conversations, both sounded like great puppy home prospects. Then it came to the question of how much i sell puppies for ,or the going rate for them.

When I said what it was both ladies were shocked, thought they would be able to get a puppy for about 1/2 asking price. Both said :"but I only want a pet one, not a show one".

I tried to explain that it doesn't matter whether they are buying a show or pet puppy, it still costs the same amount to raise them. (and as we all know, we really don't recoup our money)

How do other breeders react when asked this question. Should I be trying to justify the price or not,

thanks

scrappynsuzie

Nobody should ever have to justify what they charge for their puppies. A person is either willing to pay the price asked, or they will go elsewhere, nobody is twisting their arm.

Yeah get sick of talking

BUMPING

We are pobably all thinking......mmm what is she looking for a mobile vet......are you?

Sway - Would this be a better option for toy breeds - looks like it would be good.

http://www.whelpingsupplies.com.au/index.p...p;productId=170

Those bottles still use normal size nipples, Many toy breeders buy the Wombaroo teats they seem to be the preferred choice.

I also stock the premmie nipples. http://www.whelpingsupplies.com.au/index.p...p;productId=178

Thanks for the Links,saved will peruse t'morrow.

When i did buy the Avent baby bottle & tried it........I thought hell what was i thinking...it was ridiculous,be great on a larger breed but these pups are only 90-100grams.Just been speaking to a breeder & she says she uses a kitten teet,apparently very soft & subtle.Hope I never have to use any ever again........wishful thinking eh! so have to have on hand in-case.

today I had two enquiries for puppies, (Of which I don't have any, not planning another litter until this time next year).

the long and short of the both conversations, both sounded like great puppy home prospects. Then it came to the question of how much i sell puppies for ,or the going rate for them.

When I said what it was both ladies were shocked, thought they would be able to get a puppy for about 1/2 asking price. Both said :"but I only want a pet one, not a show one".

I tried to explain that it doesn't matter whether they are buying a show or pet puppy, it still costs the same amount to raise them. (and as we all know, we really don't recoup our money)

How do other breeders react when asked this question. Should I be trying to justify the price or not,

thanks

scrappynsuzie

IMHO I don't think you need to,they are not remotely interested in how much it has cost you, only of how much (less they can get you down)it will cost them.....gees if they only knew how much out of pocket we are.Most would think ....just let them mate and we are making a fortune.

You would be on the phone for hours justifying the costs.Don't fret we all get these calls,then along comes the buyers that do appreciate costings & really want one and pay what you are asking.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

Thanks Stolz, he is still small for age but will get there. He has had a good week.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

I had trouble with the teet being clogged with the egg.

OMG I wish SOME-ONE would invent a decent teet for toy breeds.

bridie, either use less yogurt or add extra goats milk to thin it out a bit. Did you use the yoke only?

You can buy premature baby bottles and teats or use the small animal bottle and teats. My pug baby was very small and still managed to use a normal baby bottle/teat.

Looking back it was either egg yolk or the yogurt doing the clogging,can remember that at 1-4 am it was so so frustrating..I even went & bought a baby bottle but the teet was way too big for a baby Chi,larger breed should be ideal.If this was in minature it would be great,this day & age there should be some-thing better designed & available.I had so many teets on hand at the time,trying to get just the right flow.

Also the Kara syrup,couldn't get but googled & from memory Golden Syrup was the closest thing.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

Thanks Stolz, he is still small for age but will get there. He has had a good week.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

I had trouble with the teet being clogged with the egg.

OMG I wish SOME-ONE would invent a decent teet for toy breeds.

bridie, either use less yogurt or add extra goats milk to thin it out a bit. Did you use the yoke only?

You can buy premature baby bottles and teats or use the small animal bottle and teats. My pug baby was very small and still managed to use a normal baby bottle/teat.

Looking back it was either egg yolk or the yogurt doing the clogging,can remember that at 1-4 am it was so so frustrating..I even went & bought a baby bottle but the teet was way too big for a baby Chi,larger breed should be ideal.If this was in minature it would be great,this day & age there should be some-thing better designed & available.I had so many teets on hand at the time,trying to get just the right flow.

Also the Kara syrup,couldn't get but googled & from memory Golden Syrup was the closest thing.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

Thanks Stolz, he is still small for age but will get there. He has had a good week.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds.

I had trouble with the teet being clogged with the egg.

OMG I wish SOME-ONE would invent a decent teet for toy breeds.

bridie, either use less yogurt or add extra goats milk to thin it out a bit. Did you use the yoke only?

You can buy premature baby bottles and teats or use the small animal bottle and teats. My pug baby was very small and still managed to use a normal baby bottle/teat.

Looking back it was either egg yolk or the yogurt doing the clogging,can remember that at 1-4 am it was so so frustrating..I even went & bought a baby bottle but the teet was way too big for a baby Chi,larger breed should be ideal.If this was in minature it would be great,this day & age there should be some-thing better designed & available.I had so many teets on hand at the time,trying to get just the right flow.

Also the Kara syrup,couldn't get but googled & from memory Golden Syrup was the closest thing.

I agree that is a great formula, I find the Leerburg site great for a lot of things.

So very glad to hear the pug baby is coming along in leaps and bounds. :D

I had trouble with the teet being clogged with the egg.

OMG I wish SOME-ONE would invent a decent teet for toy breeds.

If it were me, I would be more worried about the barking It's not pleasant, knowing you are going to be barked at when you move in your own house/yard.

Can you afford to have a trainer come and assess the situation/provide you with the tools to stop this behaviour?That would be the ideal - getting it sorted properly before it gets worse , and neighbour goes to Council or something .

This neighbour came and spoke to you,other neighbours may not,they may report direct to council instead,then there will be stress.I would keep them in until you sort out a solution,re behaviourist as suggested.Imagine this situation will get worse not better when they are not controlled at the time & think they are getting away with it as acceptable behaviour.

Suggest,: speak to neighbour that had the decency to speak to you & advise her that you understand how annoying this must be & what you are doing to resolve the problem,also perhaps she could let you know if "what-ever" you do is working.

Let's know how you resolved it.

Just a heads up for anyone interested. Topbuy have large/XL soft crates our really cheap at the moment but the offer ends tomorrow by the looks of it

http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Carries...Houses-c161.htm

Thanks SK,they are cheap,also note 400 thread sheets to the right on opening page Wow!!