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If she's immobile and cannot be given meds, then my very strong recommendation would be to leave her at the vet. I certainly would be extremely reluctant to be moving a potential spinal injury into and out of a car. Valium is often very useful in such cases - has she been given any sort of muscle relaxant. With my dog antiflammatories had no impact whatsover.

Um, yes??? If the OP had triggered a bunch of Lab fanciers to suggest that all Labs were gentle dogs that were entirely appropriate playmates for toy breed baby puppies I'd have offered some cautions. At the risk of bringing yet another group of breed fanciers down on my head (again). I'd have suggested that some caution was warranted with a breed that can have a very full on play style and that sometimes tend to think body slamming other dogs at speed is an absolute hoot. Maybe I should just learn to shut the hell up and let people do things with their dogs that I think are potentially dangerous. I'm sure I'd be a lot more popular around here but I'm not sure I'd sleep as well. I kept my mouth shut once for fear of drawing the wrath (again) of the rescue folk here after a few lively 'discussions' and a pup died as a result. So my list of detractors has expanded (again) but my conscience is clear .

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought this one might be over blown. Maybe it isn't but don't the media just love to scare the shite out of pet owners and other folk by madly scaremongering about folk we rely on. You'd think if it was serious the dog would be at the vet and the ASPCA would be weighing in. Oh well, at least its Petco and not some poor independent groomer that this would send broke defending.

Given his breeding, it would have been my first thought too.

For what its worth, I'd have freaked out too. Maybe he really liked your dog and not everyone thinks breeding crossbreds is a big deal. But just to be on the safe side, padlock your gates if you don't already. Might as well use the scare to tighten up security. Kind of sad when your first thoughts when someone really likes your dog are to assume the worst but I suppose that's what most of us do these days.

Dogs ACT have met with the Greens about their proposed Bill.

Can I just say that I don't think Bella's pup was fearful. He/she showed submissive behaviour when stood over by a larger dog displaying dominance - a completely appropriate response by a baby puppy in such circumstances but one I'd be hoping wasn't constantly triggered in a dog park. Baby puppies shouldn't have to spend their offlead time being constantly chased, bowled and dominated by other dogs. If I wanted a recipe for developed fear aggression, I'd be hard pressed to do better. Bella - two suggestions about dog parks: * If you were sitting on the ground when the Lab came over, all I can say is this is a very unwise position to adopt in such place. Firstly, you can't react quickly if something happens - indeed, it puts your face right in the line of any aggression. Secondly, you run a very real risk of having a warm stream of urine deposited down your back. Stay on your feet inside the dog park. Personally I don't think such places should have seating at all. * I suggest you take Bella's harness off in offlead dog parks. Dogs often like to wrestle in play and it constitutes a catch hazard. I'd hate to see it hurt another dog's jaw or for Bella to be tangled up in it. Of course, I must qualify my advice by saying I have never owned a CKCS, nor have I had a dog pee down my back.;) Full credit to Labrador owners by the way for not concluding that a less than gushing comment about their beloved breed constituted a reason to launch a full scale war on the poster. Most of uslknow that there is good and bad in every breed. I still see at least one poster persisting in her assertion that socialisation and training will make any dog of any breed a gentle and happy soul in all situations. If only it were true.

I think the OP has got the message folks. Don't you?

Sounds like a nice youngster. :)

I'm incredibly passionate about dog safety. If I think a course of action is standing a dog owner into danger, I think its justified to politely point it out. I own a breed that requires a fair bit of management around small prey animals. I know that no amount of socialisation and training is going to change a dog with a very high prey drive and a low trigger to chase into something else. I see a tendency these days to suggest that socialisation and training is the be all and end all of dogs that that genetics has no bearing on their behaviour. It was suggested here and that's why I posted in the first place, That way likes tragedy and I tried politely to point it out with references to other hard wired breed behaviours in breeds including my own. More fool me. OP has said she's making no assumption that a dog is safe because of its breed. I suggest she take that attitude with EVERY breed. About the video, all I can say is IMO the OP can thank her lucky stars she has small submissive dogs. Perhaps the larger dog owners restrict their dogs' interactions to such dogs.. smart move I'd say. I saw dominant body language and a pretty high degree of arousal.

Sounds like a pain reaction. Your dog WARNED your son that his behaviour hurt her. Count your blessings. She's not a pillow and he's getting bigger all the time. Stop this behaviour now. And thank your dog for having both excellent bite inhibition and would appear, up to now, to be a high degree of tolerance. There will not be a bite if you ensure that your son behaves more appropriately to your dog and that you supervise them or separate them when you can't be around.

And those with nothing of value to add be fanning the flames of conflict. Nice one. A member for less than six months and you're putting the boot in. I hope you feel real proud of yourself. I'm sure you'll get some congratulatory PMs though so that makes it all good. wish people would actually read what I write. But as I said earlier, this is all incredibly educative. It seems posting an opinion, not popularly held and not unerringly flattering about a breed gets you: * insulted * facetious counter posts in a thread you start * called a troll * told you can't post in accordance with forum rules if what you say isn't "positive" And all of that for what was, I thought, quite a balanced post. Fascinating. Just fascinating. Thanks all. I'm so glad I didn't declare my previous DOL name when I rejoined here. Its been absolutely rivetting to see how a relative newb can be treated for expressing an opinion not considered acceptable by some members. Thanks a lot. I shall never forget this when I comment on other newbs posts.

Yep. lol

She was playing and was bolled over and the Pit Bull went over to make sure she was okay, another dog was growling at her and another pit bull stepped in front of Bella... those kind of things. I could suggest other interpretations of that behaviour Bella that have nothing to do with a larger dog's interest in 'protecting' your pup. And believe me when I say that , they are not breed specific. I'll repeat that for those who want to see what I'm saying as pit bull knocking. NOT BREED SPECIFIC. I could suggest, for example that a small pup, knocked over and possibly being rough housed can inspire strong predatory instincts in many dogs. Or that many a dominant dog will 'step up' to a dog they see as posturing in such a manner to any other dog in the vicinity. The posture of the dogs involved would have been enlightening but I'll conclude by saying that there are few dogs who act in the role of 'dog park police' for any reasons other than their self interest. Owners sometimes find out when that many dogs rush towards some kind of fracas in a multi-dog situations they are are not doing so to see if the dogs are alright. Pack behaviour can be both shocking and frightening for owners of pets not used to seeing it play out in multi-dog situations. You need to be careful about such things. Dogs are not people. Understanding that can put quite a different slant on things whether the breed involved is a Golden Retriever or a pit bull. I have to say that the most amazing thing about all of this is that not one, but 4 people have identified their dogs as a restricted breed in situations where the dogs simply shouldn't be if the owners are obeying the law in NSW.

Why thank you Aussie 3. I was only offended by being called 'dense' and a troll. I expect to be disagreed with.. we all have opinions and many times they differ. Again Stop calling me names and you may rest assured I won't be posting anything about APBTs ever again. Including their GOOD points. This experience has been educative to say the least.

If someone starts a thread with the intention of being "yay!" about something, it's rude to come and rain on their parade just because you feel like it, regardless of what subforum it is in! I didn't rain on the OP's parade. She owns an 18 week old CKCS she's taking to the dog park. Some APBT fanciers took offence when I suggested that it might not be wise to assume that all APBTs would be so gentle with her pup. Was that so dreadful? Seriously, I had no idea it was not permitted to post any opinion you held on a discussion forum provided that you did so within forum rules. I must remember in future to only say positive and supportive things, even if I think what a person is doing is potentially going to see their dog in danger. My bad.

I think you mean "not what some of us would like the thread to be about". However, I'll opt out and return you to the sunshine and lollipops. Seriously, you've got a breed thread if that's what you want. Who'd have thought that in General, there'd be a group insisting on censorship. A less robust poster might think they were being bullied. im tempted to sound troll alert Be sure to report your very clear breach of forum rules while you're at it. :) I'm happy to opt out of here if you stop insulting me. I haven't reported you but it would be nice if you stopped calling me names. ETA: Looks like someone did - that post is gone. But I have to say I'm gobsmacked that you set yourself up as the arbiter of what can and can't be said in a thread started by another person, in General. Leave me alone and I'll return the courtesy eh?

I think you mean "not what some of us would like the thread to be about". However, I'll opt out and return you to the sunshine and lollipops. Seriously, you've got a breed thread if that's what you want. Who'd have thought that in General, there'd be a group insisting on censorship. A less robust poster might think they were being bullied.

No, its NOT done to death in the media. The breed is consistently painted as a threat to people. If well socialised (as many of the dogs that featureiin the stories are not) and well bred, then its in all likelihood to be the breed I'd be least likely to cross the street to avoid, if I didnt' have dogs with me.

Then you must have missed this: Yep, that's a lot wrong with a dog. I'll give credit where credit is due. A breed bred to be able to be handled by people when highly aroused and to be able to withstand considerable pain is going to to be a good choice for families where kids can tend to roughhouse a dog.. and they do make great pets for folk for whom the dog park isn't a 'must do' with their dogs.

Then you can make the valid points in the new thread that TW has felt the need to make :) Charming. God forbid we actually acknowledge that no breed is perfect. Unless of course, its yours eh? Far better to keep it all sunshine and lollipops than talk about breed characteristics, both postive and negative. I see little point in promoting purebred dogs unless a realistic and accurate picture is painted of breeds. Some of the points I've made in the other thread might help folk avoid making a poor choice or stop them wondering why a breeder knocked them back for a pup. But then, that would just be 'politics' now wouldn't it. ;)

Or shedding I believe :laugh:

I cannot think of a better or safer breed with kids.. if its a good example of one. I frequently recommend SBTs for young families. :)

Just getting my wrists slapped in a thread for pointing out one of the less favourable characteristics of a breed. I'm wondering, to make things a bit less breed specific, if folk have views on what would make their breeds unsuitable for some homes. Let me start. Don't get a Whippet if: * You're inclined to throw tantrums at your dogs and get physical when training them. You think raising your voice and jerking them around shows them who's boss? A Whippet will generally neither forgive, nor forget and if you keep it up, the dog will probably shut down and avoid you completely. They are quite sensitive and they sure know how to sulk. If you want to play "Alpha" dog the old way, this breed simply won't cope. * You have small animals or poultry and you expect that the dog will live in with them 24/7 with no lives at risk. Ah, NO. ETA: Whippets CAN be socialised and live well with cats.. the family cats that is. Others are generally fair game. * It matters to you that you can walk your dog offlead anywhere and everywhere and your dog will stay by your side or return instantly when called. Yes, Whippets can be trained to recall but when the dog can travel 50 metres before you can yell it's name? Don't stake the dog's life on it. Cars account for a lot of Whippet deaths * Your dog must obey you instantly and in all things. Whippets are hounds. No, 'whats in it for me' factor?.. don't count on it. Want to be the centre of your dog's universe 24/7?? Nope. If this will be a major blow to your ego.. get a Border Collie ;) * You want your dog to live outside, year round in all weathers and think a wooden floored kennel is fine. Whippets have minimal body fat. That means no insulation and no cushioning. If you're not prepared to provide at least coats and soft bedding and preferably to have the dogs inside, get a different breed. * You have low fencing and expect the dog to stay home? Most Whippets can jump like stags. Decent high fencing is a must IMO - and even then, some Whippets will be fence jumpers, particularly if left bored and alone.

Of course they all haven't owned one. Some however have trained owners of them, competed in obedience with owners of them and talked widely with owners of them. Some folk are never going to take a punt on one if having a dog that has the capacity to get on well with strange dogs is a strong requirement for their dog. Seriously, would you? But I wonder sometimes whether significantly more legitimate advice is given here by owners whose entire experience with a breed is one pet dog. You see it all the time in the "what breed for me" thread.. descriptions of dogs that are not typical of the breed and recommendation based on that. Like a Whippet that is totally safe with all small animals and never runs off at a million miles an hour. They do exist but they ain't common and to base an opinion of a breed on one such dog? Not wise. I genuinely wish people did better research on dogs before they chose one. Reading the breed standard would be a good start. It would stop some dogs needing new homes.. like Whippets that 'shockingly' kill chickens.