coneye

7 hours ago, Dogsfevr said:

Start walks onleash around the area teach skills ,teach good leash manners & more importantly teach being offleash is a privelage not a right including that mindset for yourself 
 

Agree 100% with this , ,  my little dog , in fact ALL my dogs    has been taught leash time is fun time , this little fella soon has he see's his leash  wants t get on it , if i let him off he runs around me  jumping up , wanting to get back on it , if he is off , i only have to hold it in the air wave it and shout  walkies , and he's back like a shot sitting down wanting it on , very very important you teach a good recall , then  you can put him back on BEFORE the play  becomes over whelming for him ,  But personaly  i would just never go to a dog park , with saying that i do go to a dog beach but   thats 3 kilometres long  and  only really really busy in summer , and i NEVER go then  , say  3pm to 7 pm , to much of what your describing going on .

6 month old , tell him NO, nows the time to teach him  , no if buts or maybees ,  he has to learn to behave . Good luck

I think your correct  , people do not relize a lead is not natural and just do not spend the time with them to teach .  I know  EVERY SINGLE PUPPY i have ever owned ,   has had a leash put on it for a short while   daily  just to drag around ,  get them used to it ,  every single dog   to start with has never gone out  unless on a leash with a big deal made out of  get your lead , get your lead , walkies ,  i have always spent a lot of time   teaching them lead time is fun time we go out , even going to the car , its lead on , get in car  lead off  , before we get out its settle and lead on , My  current dog  will rarely walk without his lead ,  , he gets excited , and wants it on , when  on my houseboat and out bush where he can go off and run around , he will not go off the boat  unless i put him on the leash and take him off . I can walk him out of the house , off the boat wherever , and  he just walks jumping up at his leash he wants it on

However i do use a retractable lead with him  , but  never on the road  , then its short  ALWAYS ,    on our own ,  on the beach i use it   because  he simply  will not    move away from me unless he's on it  crazy really , , but long leashes  ( usually  long long rope , tied to the leash ) i've always used    to teach a dog recall. .

I may also add this current dog is a small  little white fluffy thing ,  mixed breeed of  some thing or another , and not very strong , i have never and would never  use a retractable lead with  any of my previous dogs because they have all been large , them i just taught to love being on lead because it was fun and lots and lots of recall training

,  i think a lot of people  don't know the fun you can get from training your dog ,  to come , fetch , sit , down,  heel , ect ect . Got 8 grandkids  various ages , and the youngest ones now , love coming around  , and hiding  , while i send the dog to find them ,   and its something that the older grandkids used to love ,  when other dogs i owned  , used to do it with them ,

I used to do it with my boys when they were kids , tell them to hide and send the dog to find them , In fact i can go back to when i was a kid , and used to do it with my mates  , play hide and seek in the scrub and send my dog to find them  , always border collies , they were the only dog my old man would have in the house , people have forgot dogs are fun

Now thinking about it , I wonder what percentage of dogs leash reactive are just sencing and passing on there owners nerves , I'm saying this   because   my wife and I over the years have had thousands of walks on the dog beach  and you can bet your life if my dog has been off leash or even on leash ,if another dog approaches , my wife gets nervous and  will tell me   grab the dog,  grab the dog , i will say leave it let them sniff  let them socialize   , course i've always kept a close eye for  bad body language  and  on the very rare occasion   stepped in  put mine on leash or  said to the other person  grab ya dog mate , but thats been pretty rare .

Also   two rottys i  owned on different occasions i actuallu banned my wife from walking them , she would come home and tell me  they were aggressive with other dogs  and sometimes people walking towards her , i actually followed her one day to watch and straight away spotted the problem , SHE  not the dog was getting nervouse if others approached , she said she was scared to death of dog fights , but facts are   i NEVER had the problem with me both them dogs would totally ignore human or animal , with her i think they senced her nerves and went into protective mode .

I've also noticed  when i'm there , (dog beach ) its easy to tell the confident dogs, there usually with confident owners , theres a lady  who  first time  our heeler  went  to round up her ridgebacks , 4 or 5 of them  , i apolagised , she just laughed , said its ok   he's only a pup , and there loving the running  ,  she was just has confident has her dogs were , in fact she was the first one who noticed he was no longer with me often ,  .

Dogs can sence when owners are scared or nervous ,  makes me wonder if there reactive to other dogs , or going into protective mode ,  plus its amazing how  dogs can quite often settle down and mix ok , when there off leash and just left to sniff , course you always get the odd one who spoils the party , but  if people know they have a biter they should stay away

Think the answers to this question are has long has they are varied , its not one thing its lots of reasons , . But i think right up there is bad manners , from owners ,  that  let  little fido do has he wants , and  do not  disciplne or teach there dog manners just like they don't teach there kids ,  sign of the times

I'm not a breeder or shower of dogs  , nor am i a trainer of dogs , so i don't claim to know everything   we can all learn , but what i am is a guy who has had dogs all his life , and i've never had any problems really , ALL my dogs  have been behaved  had a couple  perhaps not so much , BUT  every dog has been under control  usually by  a look , a call , or speach , and  i  have never  ever hesitated to leash any dog that is remotly reactive to other dogs ,  , my dogs have been my mates  and i don't want to see them bite or get bitten by another dog , but above all i have always treated them  has what they are ANIMALS , and  you need to control them , I think   too many people nowqadays treat there dogs has babys ,  , even thats OK has long has you relize , babys grow into todllers , --- into children --- into teenagers , and manners need to be taught early ,   giving a dog a tug and saying a sharp NO is not cruel its quite often needed .

If i was looking for a dog and this one came up , i would jump at it , but thats because  i like scruffy looking dogs , and  the GWP is up there amongst them , my mates got one he's a great dog , smart but goofy , really nice dogs with a personality that suits my own .

However if they became popular and purposly bred for profit i would stay WELL AWAY from them , i would not want to encourage it by giving my money , think i'd just buy a pedigree GWP  , if i could afford one , i don't know what they go for

Regards 1500 dollars , well   Thats a hard one ,  i argue with my wife over this subject , so i've got no chance with you lot  LOL ,    i bought a dog years ago from the pound   ,  can't remember how much  100 maybee 200 dollars ,  i'm talking  probably 20 years ago , bought him has a companion for a rotty pup i had ,  , after a few days , i actually hated the thing ,  just could'nt take to the yapping crying , pooing weeing little thing that annoyed the hell out of my self and my neigbors , it just constantly  howled and cried day and night , BUT he was a little white fluffy thing that had become very popular , after a few days and   a couple of nasty notes left in my letterbox from irate neighbors i decided he had to go ,  now i advertized him and   my phone did'nt stop ringing ,  people were actually offering me more than i paid for him ,   these white fluffy designer dogs were popular .

But at the same time  a elderly lady  we knew , had  just lost her long time freind   so i approached her , if she wanted him , she could'nt afford  a couple hundred dollars like i said it was a lot of money 20 years ago , so i  asked if she wanted him for nothing ,, she was reculant at first , so i took him around to her house to show her , well it was love at first sight both of them ,  , when i left the house ,  this dog was curled up asleep on her lap , she was promising ro pay me so much a week ,  i told her NO way i don't want money just a good home , spend it on food , for him ,    my wife still goes around to see her now in a nursing home , and i believe her room is like a shrine to that dog   her  companion for many years after  money whilst important to me takes second place to finding a good home .

But by and large i do think people should pay , not everyone is like me   lots of people will not look after something  , be it animal or mechanical , if its free .   and with that in mind i doubt i would pay 1500 dollars for a rescue dog  , i got annoyed at the rspca , when the  current dog i own was  actually  $350   same has all the dogs they had  when i went in enquired said i would have it ,  but when i went in to pick it up the next day  , they demanded $450    i asked why the jump in price and was told ,  because  dogs like him are popular we can sell them all day everyday  , so want more for him , , i had my heart set on him so payed the extra , but it left a sour taste in my mouth that has lasted for the last 8 years i've owned him , probably because   i had actually  bought  dogs from them before ,  once i even donated a  worker of mine to go in there and spend a week painting kennels  i paid his wages for the week  , i felt ripped off , it was'nt the money  it was the proverbial principal of the thing ,

Same has recently looking for another dog , i wanted a adult dog     skip the mess ,  so its obvious  a breeder with an older dog , i approached a few who advertized , all advertized , brought up with children in the house bla bla bla ,, but NON  yes not one of the dogs i enquired about would give me a gaurantee they were house trained ,  that was  my BIGGEST priority ,     yet all wanted big money for  them dogs , not a good home ,  money was the key factor ,  so just like the breeder  checks out the buyer i was checking out the breeder ,, in fact i  could'nt believe    it when i seen the price of some dogs 5 years of age , that being big breeds probably would'nt live much past 8 or 9 before they were costing me big vets bills ,  .

Fine line between whats the most important , money or  a good home  . I know if for some reason my little mate had to go , a good home  over  money would be my priority all day everyday ,, but on the other hand  unless you were like this elderly lady i knew personaly ,  i would 'nt trust  that giving him away would gaurantee a good home in fact iit could work the opposite ,, hard one is'nt it , 12 years ago  a young girl  had to  get rid of her 10 month stumpy tail  cattle dog ,  i said to her i would take him but  did'nt want to pay   just promised a good home , i had him 12 months ,, then after minding him for  3 weeks while we went on holiday , my son and his children were    sad they had to give him back , i decded  that they could take him he would be better off with them ,   outdoor active familly , , he's coming to the end now  but had a great life well looked after cherished member of the familly , . If i knew then how he would off turned out i would of paid thousands for him  and considered it worth every cent ,  but at the time  alls i was willing to offer was a good home , the girl was just glad someone would take him .

Like i said its a hard one

2 hours ago, Kazm said:

Coneye, my girl didn’t even get the chance for a sniff or cower, the first she knew of the dog was when she was being shaken in its jaws. That dog had one intention and that was to maul her. Yes, I was yelling at the dog but I certainly wasn’t swinging my girl around on the lead. I actually laid on top of her to save her. It was only with the intervention of another person that we managed to get away. You can have the best trained dog in the world but as far as I’m concerned a dog is an animal and it can snap at any time. 
I’ll agree with tdierikx, best to go for a nice  quiet walk with dog on leash and avoid off leash areas even though I admit that’s what I was doing the morning my girl was attacked. Just need eyes everywhere to be safe. 

Think in that situation you have NO CHOICE but to do what you feel neccesary at the time , i sometimes don't come across with what i mean , , but i have seen your sort of scenario a few times too many and would agree with any dog owner the first thoughts are save your pet ,, what i'm more on about is  i've seen  perhaps 20  ---30 --- 40 times more almost daily  the scenario where  ,  on a public dog beach  people take there little dog and completly panic if another dog   freindly or not comes up , grab there baby hold them high , or pull them back  and actually wind up a freindly dog     into aggresive mode because they are scared not there dog , i see it at least a couple times a week , and shake my head and think if you have a timid scared dog do what i do DON'T TAKE IT   do not put yourself  in that position , , i don't know how many times a week i see it , freindly  but inquisitive dogs  getting kicked , shouted  at   because  people take there timid scared dog  on a leash free area , i'm not talking about  big reactive dogs attacking   little dogs ,  but scared owners  demanding  other people leash there dogs because they are scared or there dogs are timid .

Has much has it was my responsibility to leash my shepard and stop him running up to timid dogs , which i did because i knew he had this fault ,  i consider it my responsibilty not to take my  dog timid present dog to  unleashed areas and then complain  about every dog that comes to sniff .

I really do think if you don't want your dog to socilize  take him for a walk  on a leash  round your block , do not take them to a dog beach or dog park , Course we are not talking about  viscous dog reactive dogs  thats another story , and like i said   when i had a 60-65 kilo  black faced  mean looking  rotty  i never had that problem people just leashed there dog  and walked around  even though he was freindly  the idiots are only bothered about consequences

24 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

The issue @coneye, is that there are too many people who think that they have their dogs "under control", but in all honesty, they don't. It only takes one incident we haven't factored into the equation and it could be game over for that dog, another dog, or even a human.

 

Quite frankly, the most dangerous places to take a dog nowadays are designated off leash areas, as those frequenting them seem to think that it's a free for all playfest, and their dog that is snarking all the others is "just wanting to play". Most pet owners are completely clueless about their pet's body language, and all of the laws we should be following when we want to go out in public with them. Easier to just go for a nice leashed walk with your dog somewhere else and avoid that particular nightmare methinks.

 

As our society moves towards higher densities of humans and animals we will face ever increasing issues. Gone are the days when kids and dogs used to free roam together and only come home when mum called that dinner was on the table... sad, but also our new reality.

 

T.

Unfortunatly your correct , i see it EVERYDAY  , my little fella has not been to the beach with me once this summer , i look out the window  see people there with there dogs and leave him home , come winter when theres less people i'll start letting him come again , he's only small   runs around the house  so gets his excercise , but the dog beach is out of bounds for him till winter when its usually empty , your also correct about  people not having control over there dogs , i see it all the time a total lack of recall , probably the most important thing needed , like i said my previous shepard had NO RECALL , his idea of  coming back to me would to run back full belt  only to run past me to get a pat of the other person he sen a mile away ,   and thats why   for 17-18 years unless the beach was empty  he was ALWAYS on leash ,  Funny enough though whn i brought another dog in   his recall became better , but i've got to admit it was always the second dog  he was following not my command LOL ,, he was like the bunny energiser , kept on keeping on outlived two other dogs  , 17-18 years of just looking at me like i was stupid and doing what he wanted ,LOL , fortunatly that was only outside , inside perfect dog

I can also tell you about a couple of times dogs were not let go ,  one  funny enough also attacked by a ridgeback ,  the gent  pulled his dog away and up  ridgeback trying to get at it  got more and more incensed , gent started swinging his dog up and away , virtually hanging it ,  poor bugger was screaming both him and his dog , ridgeback  latched on and a tug of war started , little dog badly hurt , i don't know if it survived . 

Another time around 10-12 years ago , a big rottweiler got away from its stupid owner  she did have it on the lead  but brought a dog reactive monster to the beach  which when it seen an old ladys maltese cross , it went to sniff  , old lady would'nt let go of the lead  stirred the rotty up more by pulling her dog and shouting  it just pulled its owner and she let go , rotty latched on to the small dog  up till then it was agressive but not kill mode , the swinging  the little dog  once again riled it up   like i said it latched on  started shaking , i'm a big fella and it took all my strenght to drag the rotty in the sea  while its latched onto the small dog  and force its head under water  so it would let go  it killed the little dog  , owner of rotty  left it  and run while the commotion was going on ,

Both times i could'nt help but think if they had just let there dog have a sniff and cower  under supervision off course     things would off been different  both them times  and other times i've seen  where its definetly been screaming pannicking owners riling the attacking dog up more , course its going to vary from situation to situation

Theres more experienced dog owners tan me on here , ( breeders , ect ) like to hear there thoughts , on let them sniff or scream panic and pull  your dog away ,  course if its a full on attack you have no choice .

I think the operative word here is CONTROL , you need to be in control of your dog at all times wether  its in the street on a dog beach ,  dog park  wher ever  it does'nt matter if your dog is not under control DO NOT UNLEASH ,

Personaly  i've said on here a dozen times i spend half my days on a dog beach fishing its easy i live over looking it  ,  so i go at least 3-4 times a week , over the years like many  i've owned a few dogs  .  and they have all come down with me  to the beach , its a case of know your dog , unfortunatly a lot just don't care , , i had a BIG BIG shepard , he was the most gentle dog i've ever owned  , lousy watchdog , freindly has , but  when i took him to the beach  he was always on leash , he was too freindly he would spot another dog  and zoom he's gone wants to play ,  spot a person and zoom even quicker  wanting to lick then and get a pat , my worry was NEVER  him hurting  anything or anyone but scaring them when he came charging  up the beach at them ,  once he started his run there was no coming back when called ,  because of that   i'd be fishing  anyone else came on he was put on lead , till they had walked past patted him and shown they were not scared ,

On the other hand i had a big rotty who   to be honest i did'nt  ever put on a lead ,  i had total control over him , but that dog would lie next to me ,  and not budge , if i walked 10 feet to cast my rod he walked 10 feet with me  would not leave my side , i did  have the occasional argument over the years with other people  , who's dogs were not under control , and usually about the rotty , because although he would be next to me  other dogs  not under control  charge him at there peril ,  there were a couple off occasions when dogs   had come  charging at him  and although he was'nt dog reactive he would play  with other dogs , show him aggresion and  he would return the favor , like i said there were a couple off occasions where dogs off leash has they were allowed , were not under control and charged him  , end result being  myself telling there owners to   get there dog under control ,  he just would'nt put up with rude dogs , and too be honest i made no apolagies for him , because the owners   should do what i done with my shepard and thats leash him if others were around ,, then again i also had a heeler , smack in the middle , he would just run  and run up and down that beach , usually trying to round other dogs up ,  i got too know a lot of the dogs and owners who came down regular and they loved to watch him play with there dogs , especielly when he used to try round them up , once again thogh very freindly gentle dog ,  

what i did notice over the years was  people only became accountable and try to control there dogs   when its going to end badly for them , my rotty  i found when people seen a 60 kilo rotty with a black mean looking face   off leash theye tended to  leash there dog , and give a wide berth , with the heeler   he's been charged a few times , but he was always to quick and nimble  and would turn it into a game never the less i have had to say to people leash your dog mate if he's dog reactive get him under control , because all mine except for the shepard ONE CALL  and there back by my side ,  sitting down waiting for me to allow them to  carry on , Sam the shepard was my  most gentle dog i've ever owned , but unfortunatly outside only , the only one i could'nt control , luck  though 17-18 years  everyone knew him  , and when he was off leash   they would send him back to me ,  other wise he would off gone home with them LOL

 Its really all about MANNERS ,,,

PS  i will say though  don't want to tell breeders and experienced owners how to suck eggs  , but one thing i noticed  over 40 years off going to this dog beach is when  one comes running , the little old lady  / or man who grabs and picks up  there fur baby while screaming  makes it 10 times worse  , let your dog go ,  let it cower and show  defeat , or simply run away , because i've seen lots go into full attack mode when  owners are swinging  little pugsy in the air  by its lead  and fido is getting more worked up and attacking  

I've found this really interesting reading about these problems ,  WHY , because i'm having all these same skin , scratching , inflamed ears  ect ect , problems with my dog , I ask myself why is it different now  has opposed to dogs for the last 40 years , and i keep coming up with the same answer ,, when i was a kid we had dogs , they were always healthy  and in good nick ,  but my parents always said  there the kids pets , both of themn were not paticulary fond of dogs and animals , so the rules were steadfast , there your dog  , YOU c lean up there mess or THEY GO , there dogs  they eat what we leave , we were poor i suppose   so alls they got was a spoonful of pal , chappie whatever , over the scraps   to give it taste  and that was it  , yet i cannot remenmber a dog we owned that did'nt live a long live and  ever had problems  that took them to the vet , and to be honest my dad would of rather spent  10 cents on a bullet than 10 dollars at a vet .

Fast forward i got married we still had dogs  , i and my wife are dog lovers ,  but 40 plus years  later  . all our dogs lived to a far  far  more life expectency than what they were supposed to , and NOT ONE  of our ogs has cost us much at the vets , all of them were not fed  speciel diets  they were all fed  meat ,  bit of kibble tin of pal , lots of scraps ,  all of them were fed what we has a familly did'nt finish , all of them  topped up by supermarket kibble  , for when there were no left overs , quite often  a spoonful of tinned meat to  give them the taste , and ALL OF THEM have lived long lifes and very very rarely at the vets

Now present day , first little dog ,  first dog i've ever spent the money  on in regards money is;nt the object , i buy whatever he needs  i buy whatever i read is the best , I've spent THOUSANDS  trying to clear ear infections , and he still licks ,m still seems in distress           ,  so i said to my wife NO MORE  , stuff the expensive 150 dollars a bag of kibble , stuff everything i read ,   , for his ears about a month ago i  said give him ear , (scuse the pun ) and i  swabbed his ears with Cider vinigar , i stopped buying expensive kibble , and buy a small bag has a filler , the rest of the time he gets scraps  ,  meat , chicken , basicly what we eat , times like tonight theres no left overs so he gets kibble  and  a couple of spoon fuls of  pal to taste , ,      also he gets bones ,  i have started treating him like  what he is A DOG  back to basics  and guess what , his coats shiny , his nose is wet , he's running up and down the hallway , with his toy in his mouth growling and snarling , jumping on the furniture and  behaving like a pup ,  he's actually become once again a healthy dog

Ok just a question for people ,  What dog do you really like the look of   or desires the traits and temprements  of   that breed but do not and possiblly will not own for whatever reason , be it too big ,  to energetic , or too furry  . I will start off ,

I really like  the AKITA  , but  will never ever own one , the  fur and grooming would drive me nuts , ,  close second is the Giant Schnauzer  , but once again the grooming  puts me off, and the wife says a definete NEVER  ,    we had a long haired shepard for  nee on 18 years , and he drove her mad with bags of fur left everywhere LOL

I think your freind has 2 options ,

Option 1 ,,, Admit to themselves they have a possible dangerous dog on there hands ,  if a dog growls , bites and  attacks children , NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON , it is a possible dangerous dog and a liability , so they must man up , admit to themselves that  what used to be a nice freindly dog has turned into a biter , say to themselves not on my watch and basicly ban the dog from children ,  DO NOT ever allow it near children unsupervised  ,  be very very wary at all times and   just admit  to themselves , that said dog has to be watched , closely FOR EVER . . and you know what , its not hard i had a rotty , that from a very early age shown ,  has good a dog he was that he would'nt need much  to stir him up , so i just never ever allowed kids to play with him  and ALWAYS kept a close eye on him , i loved that dog   he was my best mate , but my wife and kids all said    he was harmless and i was over the top , that   it was my imagination , but i always said better safe than sorry , so option 1  keep him away from kids and constantly watched .

Option 2  , get rid of him  if they don't want to go to the bother of option 1.

If it was my freind i would be reminding them , just how many  babys , kids  and even adults have been mauled by the familly pet  , who NEVER shown signs of agression  i would be reminding them a dog is an ANIMAL  not a human , , its shown the signs it attacked there is NO EXCUSE if it mauls ,

Sorry to be blunt , but  i  love my dogs but  do relize there not fur babys , there not children there dogs

Only have a laymans answer , but i think its mainly the price followed by  lack of quality ,  over the last couple of years i've  looked at getting  another dog  and i will ALWAYS go  pedigree ,  not saying there better dogs , just that  i know what i want  , temprement and looks , and more likely to get it out of a pedigree , however when looking , i looked at so many dogs which were bad examples of there breed and  ridiculous with the price i walked away , plus has someone else said ,  vet prices now ,  then   housing which allows dogs harder and harder to find ,   , its probably a dozen combined issues has opposed to one or two ,, but i'm sure price and quality are big ones , people come up with  big dollars too buy the latest designer dog , but people who want  certaiun pedigree  breeds are more picky on what they want ,

We all have our preference for certain breeds  and unfortunalty  some of them get bored , and dig , bark , or get anxious  ,  for  nearly 40 years  i solved this problem  by  always owning 2 dogs  , just basicly worked on the fact they need company too  , ,  we don't work now so ony have one dog ,  cameras   throughout the house and all around the house , tell me  that  he does'nt mind being on his own  , i look on the cameras while i'm out , rarely see him walking about , he's usually curled up  asleep somewhere ,  mind you he's not a big boisterous  ridgeback , ,  i think really  what Rebanne said  would be my answer ,, digging pit ,  backyard . with a marrow bone ,    you will probably have a few barking sessions till he gets used to it ,

17 hours ago, Boronia said:

Thank you for your polite and kindly-meant reply @coneye it certainly shows what I know...not much apparently.

Oh by the way, one thing that I do know is that the apostrophe goes between the n and the t as it replaces the letter 'o' in the word not.

Clever little thing , Bet you were top of the class .

On 13/02/2024 at 6:55 AM, Boronia said:

Courts don't add more on if a person is a bit of a tool Coneye, imagine the amount of appeals that would ensure.

I think Sandrake has gotten our advice now so maybe just lay off and let him make up his own mind

shows what you know does'nt it , Courts do not have set fines , for most stuff , judge , magistrate  can  give out what they consider appropriate , pleadguilty you get a reduced fine or sentence in  a lot of cases , plead not guilty and be deemed to be wasting court time , and expect a harsher penelty , and this is FACT  ,

The one thing i can see coming out of this , is YOUR gonna get a bigger fine,   once you decide to fight it and waste the crts time , they will  hit you harder , make no bones about it  your GONNA LOSE , the court is going to  fine you the usual amount , plus costs and then they will add on some more for you being so pompous , self righteous and wasting there time .. Let us know how you went on

Longest living  , Long haired shepard , the biggest and  best looking shepard i've ever seen ,  just a few months short of 18 years

Shortest ,  Male Rottweiler ,  around 7  and half ,  never had a sick day in his life   just died  young  Ok in the morning just collapsed and died in the afternoon

Second shortest ,, Female Rotty  just over 8 years old  always healthy  until about 2 weeks before she died , on  her nightly walk ,  she just stopped  and i had to carry her home ,  , did'nt seem sick , vet said she was  OK    just old overnight ,  2 weeks later  died in her sleep .

Rough collie . I know they make good movies stars , I grew up watching one , LASSIE  lol ,, however what about actual sheepdogs , / working dogs ,,  are they still used for that ,  are they any good , say compared to Heeler , Kelpie , border collie ,, I actually grew up with rough collies , my uncle ALWAYS had one ,   he had 3  if memorie serves me correctly ,  everyone of them called Lassie , and every one of them   were snappy around kids  never me  , i could walk and play with them , but others he would'nt allow near them , he always said    its the climate , too hot for them here in Aust he would say ,   especielly there nose he would say ,  it gets burnt , and they get cranky , don't know if its true  i just liked all off them

On 24/12/2023 at 5:48 AM, sandgrubber said:

I just wish the effort that went into pushing extreme comformation had gone to breeding overall health (including the things causing most vet visits like allergies, obstructed breathing, ear infections) and traits suitable for the majority of modern families (friendly, playful, trainable, not overly barky or energetic, relatively small, good with children).  Oodles move in this direction, but not very well.  Systematic, pedigree based cross breeding could have done a much better job, but has been utterly rejected.

Nail ,,, Head  , you nailed it here , scuse the pun ,  but you just described my dog  not barky or energetic, small , good with kids , very gentle nature ,  does'nt malt much ,, BUT also  constant ear infections , constant  licking paws  , constant visits to the vet  ,  constant  money money money spent ,  never any results ,  put to sleep  ears cleaned ,  ching ching . $700 thank you ,,,   , its allergys he needs this that and the other   , visit %70 ,  allergy test $80- , steroind tablets $80  ,  this tablet $60 that tablet $60    3  , 4   hundred dollars later still  all back 2 weeks later .

Will say i've never had these problems before , but he's the first non pedigree small dog i've had  designer dog  just bred to make money , never again IF we ever have another dog its  pick a breed and   pay for  the right one , and its cheaper than oodles anyway

Very nice , there lovely dogs , my mates got one its 14 and still in good health , noticed you said you were fostering , and you had just been and payed , whats the score there ,  i would of thought if your fostering your helping out , therefore be no charge , why did you have to pay , is that normal , curious  i've never fostered a dog , i've bought dogs from the pind , but i was under the impresion fostering is just basicly looking after a dog till a home is found ,  i'm open to be educated , cheers

Nothing wrong with oodles , stoodles , coodles . whatever you want to call them no doubt , some if not most are lovely dogs , after all i own a maltese shitzu cross  at least thats what we think he is  , i just refer to him has the little white fluffy dog ,  BUT   to refer to them has anything but mongrels is silly because there not a paticular breed ,  dispite what anyone says , no matter what the breeder of these dogs say ,  there not pedigrees , does'nt make them a bad dog , just   makes people trying to sell something there not   if theres any claim to being a breed , after all which ones a breed the cross poodle  cavalier . or the cross poodle lab , ir anything else they want to call oodle .

The are in fact just a designer dog and it is mainly puppy mills who put thjem out and they DO NOT  do it to   try and come up with a different breed they do it for DOLLARS , Like i said we own a  maltese cross i got him from the rspca 7 years ago, but remember  they were  probably the number one dog of choice  a few years ago , oodles have took over  ,

Told the story on here before  after we bought him which was by accident ,  went in to buy a mastiff they had   he seen me , i seen him and that was it , but he had a hold on him  i put a secondary hold on him and the first reneged  , they rang me next day and said come get him .. But i found out by accident a few weeks later ,   a perfect stranger , who recognised him  on the river  250 klm from my home and where i bought him , , told me they were going to buy him but   could'nt come up with the $600  the seller wanted , guess what  the original hold ,  was put on by a staff member  at the rspca , . yep a staff member ,  the price was $300   , for him , but when i went to pick him up i was told $400 when asked why the $100  jump the rspca answer was , because there popular dogs and we can get more for these , pay it or leave him , i paid it . but it left a sour taste in my mouth regarding the corrupt rspca , There staff  buying them to sell and make profit ,, them themselves  , pricing by poularity  ,   adding money on  to there normal price . .

Still nothing wrong with ood;es after all they are a dog ,  but i do keep in mind  there bred for making money ,  not to create new breeds

Couple years ago  i seen a snake coming towards me  whilst i was on my houseboat , big bugger has well ,  it got to the water and went under the boat , i spent probably half hr walking around the boat stamping my feet  and banging the deck with a broom ,  i was convinced the thing had got on top of the pontoons , i had not seen it swim off , i also started the 2 motors   , telling the wife the moise will scare it of , after 30 minuites or so she was laughing at me stomping up and down , but i still never seen it swim off , i gave up  probably 10 minuites later   i went out the back  and there it was sunning itself on the swim deck    3 foot from 2 very loud outboard motors , noise certainly did'nt scare that thing off ,, the shovel did though , also went to a   fauna farm thing , guy there handling snaked told everyone , never to stamp your feet which i grew up thinking was the right thing to do  , he said it scares them and they may attack , stand still and let it  slide away he said , .

Also he said nightime was the worst time  to  run into them , because there out hunting , i always thought  thats when they went to bed ,  out in the  riverland on the boat i never walk the dog at night anymore since he told me that

Rescuoodles ,,, Oh well you can't blame them for trying , I suppose someones paid well to come up with this brilliant idea ,   I will say these dogs are very popular  , p[eople are willing to pay Oodles   to get the dog  who's name ends in Oodle , But i suspect its more about the idea they do't malt supposudly  have gentle temprements  are smart , and of course last but not least a present day fad. 

But calling a  staffy cross , or   a heeler cross a hoodle  or a stoodle  is'nt going to cut the mustard , its also about a very important thing LOOKS , Just like your wife  or husband people want a dog they consider   gentle on the eye  , and nice natured ,   , after all who wants a wife thats  they consider ugly , aggressive ,  and unpredictable  , ready to turn on you , . Got a few mates who have one just like that , but  unlike a dog it would cost them  the house , boat , car and everything else  to get rid ,  (He He started something now hav'nt I   LOL )

Theres also the scruffy looking aspect , its popular , personaly i like scruffy looking dogs  , but if i wanted one i would go buy a long haired  wire coated german pointer ,  an Airdaile ,   Shnauzer or something then not cut it too often .

But seriously the rspca want to get rid of some dogs , they can start by letting people in too have a look  , I told the story not long ago  , about going there to buy a dog , they would'nt let me in to look at them ,  so i walked away , few months later they said on facebook they were having a open to public day , because they were full and desperate to   get rid of some , so i rang up  there main office asked if its true was told yes   just rock up , i jumped in the car  left work and drove 80 klm   only to be told , Naaw , someones pulling your leg , make an appoinment , when i asked   what if i make an appoinment to see that dog on  your   board don't like it and want to see another they said make another appoinment ,i walked away in disgust vowing NEVER to deal with them again , theve got the lunatics running the Asylum .