coneye

You could also argue that . if a owner knew his dogs had to be locked away from public , all fences should be high and any gates should be locked to stop entry regardless a toddler who just wants to pat the doggies , or an adult delivering a parcel . I  have owned LOTS of dogs over the years  but will say i've only had one i did'nt trust with strangers , funny enough all my familly and freinds  said i was being silly  he was freindly with everyone . 

BUT from an early age i noticed he could be geed up and fire up very quickly , so NO ONE was allowed to play fight with him , i had done it  when he was young , and seen him change very quickly , so perhaps  no one else seen what i thought he was capable off , kids were allowed to pat him , but NEVER  gee him up , and they did'nt because i  ALWAYS kept a very close eye when  kids were there , anyway ,  ,  because i knew him and too be honest would never trust him  not to go a stranger if they came in unounced , i simply  raised the fences so he could'nt jump out , and kept  the side gate , PADLOCKED , . Yet that dog never ever showed aggresion to any one , everyone thought he was a lovely playful thing , UNTIL   i actually seen with my own eyes ,  some guy coming over the back fence ,i  lived in a double story and was on the back balcony  it was around midnight i was sat in the dark and spotted  this guy come over the fence has he was walking up  to the house , the dog without a bark any warning whatsoever , attacked him , i called the dog off  he came back the guy run , jumped back over and disapeared , but he was bleeding heavlly .

Point being i always suspected he was capable of this , dispite being freindly to everyone else , and thats why i always PADLOCKED THE GATE   i never wanted the chance of someone coming in by mistake ,  if the owner knew  they were capable of biting ,  a fence a child can open,  is / was not good enough , a todller was'nt doing wrong he just wanted to pat the doggies . I would also go has far has to say if a owner is not going to do this  them dogs should not be there ,  its irrisponsible to say ,  all dogs can bite , all bites can be fatal  , and especielly if you know your dog is capable of this  . NOT TO KEEP IT UNDER LOCK AND KEY , thats why this one of mine was ALWAYS UNDER LOCK AND KEY OUTSIDE IN HIS YARD OR RUN   rest of the time  he was always freindly when with myself or the familly , just a normal freindly dog with no aggressive   trends whatsoever , , i only suspected , this owner obviously knew

My dog by the way was a Rotty

Been watching that show Muster dogs , i really enjoy watching it ,  now the current one is border collies ,, v  kelpies  , which is the bst , without getting too the end i  suspect its gonna be a draw , general consencus is there both great at there jobs if trained and bred correctly .

Now a question for any of you out there who live on farms have had anything to do with farm dogs , where does the heeler stand in this equation .

Not long ago i seen a u tube   show with an american woman who had border collies and kelpies , but she claimed her blue heeler was the best by far . Thoughts from the farmers or the experienced in this department . . .

On 28/01/2025 at 9:39 AM, Little Gifts said:

Coneye I was one of those volunteers for a couple of years. I can still remember when they stopped letting us feed the dogs and pups (for reasons unknown). We were allowed to do the cleaning and socialising. The staff were nowhere to be seen for hours at a time. We'd have done all the cleaning and the pups in particular would be starving and we couldn't do anything about it The refuge would open at like 10am and those unfed pups and dogs were all feral so we couldn't be in there socialising them and noone was interested in them because they weren't being all calm and cute. There was noone we could talk to about our concerns either. This was a while ago now so things will have changed, but the staff attitude towards the dogs at that location was abysmal and that stuff is entrenched.

 

There was also a huge walk in cage up the front for surrenders. People would  come in tears giving up their pets. Reception would say all these kind things to them about them getting a new home straight away then black tag them and put them in the cage for immediate euth. They weren't even being assessed and I think that happened at times when they were already full.

 

That's the organisational culture people are donating their money to. To me though are no better than the church run orphanages of old. They just shouldn't exist anymore.

Not good is it , my opinion its all about money ,  Think i've told the story before on here , but the dog i presently own , i bought from there 8 years ago , Now in them days you could walk in have a walk around and pick a dog , So i actually went in one day walked around and seen a bull mastiff i liked , I went home next day , casually said to the wife , lets go to the dogs home , where i was casually going to walk around be suprised to see a bull mastiff in there , take a shine to it and take it home , Not wanting to be too obvious because she did'nt really want a dog  ,  i walked the long way around the kennels , then i seen this little white fluffy thing with a cone on his neck , stopped to pat him , and he picked me out , i asked about him and they said theres a hold on him  but   the next day if he is not took  a could have hime , i immedietly went in put a second hold on him price was $350 , next day  never heard , day after i rang up to see if he had gone , , i was informed the person did'nt want him , so come and get him ,  i went there straight away , wife was overjoyed and so was I , . done all the paper work got out my $350  and was informed no he's $450 , i asked why the increase , and was told  we can sell little cute dogs like him all day so he's dearer than all the others , i just paid it 

Now jump forward  a couple months , and i was on the river , in my boat 300 klm from home , i'm playing with him on the bank , and heres a woman shout  is that Oliver , i look up says yes ,  she says did you get him from the pound i said yes , , and he's mine now , no way was i giving him up , she comes over and pats him , says what a cutie he was , and tells me the story about  her daughters freind worked there , knew she wanted a little dog like that ,  and had shown her a picture , and offered her the dog for , $600 ,  TIME TO PAY UP SHE DECIDED SHE COULD'NT AFORD HIM   and hence why i got him ,  so much for  dogs welfare  ,  the staff were selling him  and making money , but hows that ,300 klm from my home and the shelter , in a little country town .

, Also remember about  35 years ago same place , i rang every single day  looking for Zac my boxer who had got out  jumped the fence ,  each day i was told sorry no boxers have been in here for months , don't know what made me do it , just intuition but i drove around there  affter about 5-6 days , was walking through  looking in the kennels , and i seen him there ,the kennel had a   hold sign on him  , he was due to be sold the next day   the 7 days or so was up , and guess who was taking him ,  the staff member who answered the phones , i carried on like a pork chop so much they just returned him free of charge  , i had the prove he was mine , (tattood )  Zac was a absolute  perfect specemin off a boxer , i was convinced  he would off been in the paper and sold privatly soon after if i had not of gone there.

Had a few dealings with the RSPCA  and everyone of them unpleasant , have purchased over the last 40 or so years 4 dogs off them  including the present one , but  now i would never go near the place again ,  the  one close to my home has far has i'm concerned  is nothing more than a boarding kennels , run   with cheap labor (volunteers ) and houses a  few strays  to  qualify for the govt money ,

Whats the name of the breeder what dogs , do they breed , sounds like a good breeder to me , sounds like  this dog may be a very gentle dog , and perhaps your house is too loud and robust for the dog , and it gets scared , breeder is doing right by the dog , WHY would a good breeder want to send his/her pups into a scary enviroment , regardles off why its scared

19 minutes ago, Tempus Fugit said:

You would have to ban bully kuttas, gull dongs, kangals, alabais etc etc.

 Think you could add too that , Rottweilers , german shepards ,  all mastiff type dogs , and while were at it  never met a chiwawa  that was'nt a nasty viscous little brute ,  remember when i was a kid , neighbor had a corgi  that used to chase all us kids up the street biting our ankles  , so throw them in has well

Strange , raise your voice in my house our little dog takes himself outside , drop a cup any sudden loud noise , and he's off , he's a very quiet  dog who loves calm , yet i love to sit outside on the balcony  every time theres a storm  , and being by the sea we have lots of them each year , , he just comes and lies on my lap  watching  the lighting listening to the thunder , and he'll just nod off  absolutly does'nt faze him one bit

Whats littermate syndrome , what i have read is two pups , two owners , same houshold , dogs  get on well and play ,  dogs  have each bonded with there own owners , just like you would hope  , whats the problem at the moment , i can see two future problems maybee , but maybee not only time will tell .

problem 1 ---- males they may fight when older

problem 2---- if houshold splits up , one misses the other .

Other than that whats the problem

Personaly  , reading botrh sides here ,   i think i would say  no way she getting the dog back , its not going to live a good life , lady thinks she bought a toy ,    probably after recieving nasty messages , i would say  no way she's getting her full amount either , i'd probably advertize good home wanted , sell her to someone for whatever i could get and thats all i would refund , i would state the dog was older  people were not willing to pay the same has they will a pup .

Then i would recieve more messages and think , get a grip of yourself ,     this woman sounds like a neurotic nutcase  letter writer  on a mission , and just give her  a refund  tell her to go away and witch hunt someone else , because she said herself she's on disability with major depresion , the lady sounds bored and  causing problems is her  outlet , Naaw give the nutter her money back tell all the other breeders you know to be wary , the vet said the dog was fine , its a chiwa wa  if it had not eaten for a couple weeks it  would be dead , it obviously ate a bit of something , just  not enough for her ,

Give the money back , and hope you get rid of the problem , although i sence until she finds someone else to harrass  its not going away , 

Unfortunatly your never going to stop it ,  , i own a small dog  thats timid  , and watch him like a hawk always on the leash when  theres other dogs on the dog beach , and i'm constantly shouting get your dog mate , when he's approached  which is all the time ,, But prior to him i owned a massive and i mean MASSIVE rotty , that was  quite freindly with well mannered dogs , but  very unfreindly with ill mannered dogs he would not tolerate them ,  because of this he was ALWAYS on leash unless dog  beach was empty . .

With the little one , people don't care they let there aggressive dog run up and intimidate mine , yet with the rotty  they always seemed to control theres and put them on leash to stop  them coming up ,   over the years did have a few who did'nt , but i would just shout get your dog mate or i'll let him go , that usually fixed it , sad but true , people just don't care

 i can tell you  the best ever dog , loyal and easy to train  ,

Springer Spaniel ,,,, Boxers  ,,, English staffy ,,,, german shepard ,  rottweilers   ,,,  blue heeler   little  mongrel cross  shitzu , maybee maltese with a definet bit of  westy in there .

Each and every one of them has been  loyal easy to train and well behaved , there dogs  and they mould to your personality

On 20/07/2024 at 5:37 AM, tdierikx said:

Not sure what you are asking @JessicaLawrence... if you are asking if council has done anything about the dog across the road, the answer is a flat no... obviously they don't have the time or inclination to do their bloody job properly in this case. The dog is still being a complete little menace, and I'm still constantly shooing it home...

 

T.

Instead of shooing it ,, call it over with a buiscuit , when it gets used to you , pick it up , put it in the car , take it to the council  offices , tie it to a post outside with a note on its neck , FREE to good home

Hard one is'nt it , If i was an aboriginal  living in the bush  trying to kep the traditions  and ways of my forefathers ,  along with the dream time and all the other stuff , Think then i would  hate to see  the dingo ,  shot , culled , got rid of in any way shape or form

 But if i was a farmer , with 10 000 head of sheep  and my whole familly's future and livelihood tied up in it , and was reguly losing sheep to dingos  i think i'd want them  , shot  caught moved areas  , whatever  has long has they stopped killing my sheep .

Suppose if i was in my 4 wheel drive going out  where the dingos lived , i would'nt be  stupid enough to allow my pet or child  wonder off

So the top two have both got a point the 3rd one  is just an idiot who should have no say .

But the fourth one , groups who recieve govt money from which the farmer's tax pays for  , should just keep there nose out

Did   these people have to study at uni long to be able to state the obvious

Did'nt read it , They could of saved heaps of money and just asked what i' and millions of other older  dog lovers already knew , Labs are greedy buggers who  will eat till they gorge , I can also tell them for nothing . so will my little bitza dog  ,   and feed him the recomended amount once a day say night time , next morning he's looking for food and throwing up white bile , , so he has to have 2 meals   a day  to stop that , lately because were home   more in the colder weather its   split into 3 meals ,  6am 100 grams ----12-1 pm 100 gms  ------ then around 7 pm the last 100 grams  ,   heh presto , no bile , , he's never looking for food anymore  ,  and happy and healthy ,

There ya go  and that info did'nt even have to be  funded , ,,  can't help but wonder how much it cost for them to state the obvious , labs are a greedy dog   I'm basing that on  owning a few , plus  being brought up with my grandfathers labs , cannot ever remember him not having one ,  every single one of them called prince has well LOL

Sorry he got caught he means ,, The dog  meant a lot to him , Yeh sure did , bet he was thinking about it a lot while he was running away , I'd give him 6 months in the big house  to get over his depresion and anxiety , along with a video of the dog being destroyed , he could watch it to cheer himself up ,

On 06/09/2023 at 7:11 PM, Valcor said:

Thank you I ended up ringing the breeder and saying we just can't commit to the puppy. Not an easy decision for me at all. I hope like the others have said that this is just a misdiagnosis for the puppies sake.

Think you done the right thing , it could off worked out OK then again it could of been 15 years of problems and heartache , personaly i would'nt  buy that grief

My sister was given one , she loved it  large big bundle of fluffy white fur ,, Then it got bigger  lucky they live in the country and  had a big backyard  because  walking it became a problem  for them , there is only her and my neice and neither were strong or capable enough to walk him , he just dragged them to wherever he wanted to go , lovely dog though that unfortunatly got some desease and died at around 2 ,,, WHAT IT DID DO WAS MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT DOG TO GET NEXT   they got a little sausage dog  (daschund ) , much more suitable to them and there lifestyle

4 hours ago, HoneyHound said:

 

Like I said, false advertising.  Breeding poodles of different sizes without any DNA rest results.  Unethical breeding.

Your never going to stop this  because simply theres money involved , I know of a lady ,  i've only spoke to her a couple of times through mutual freinds , she apparantly bred  labradors ,  i have heard her very vocal in the past totaly against  labradoodles , claiming it was byb 's   doing the wrong thing for money ect ect , throwing out all the   against   ideas , not in favor one bit  , got to say i agreed with her a lot and  could'nt then and still cannot  understand why people will pay THOUSANDS for a mongrel  she was always happy to hear my opinion ,  my wifes  freind payed 5 grand for one ,, 5 GRAND FOR A MONGREL WITH HEALTH ISSUSES .

Anyway that was then ,  now is now and she's changed   her whole ideas and attitudes , now   its great  there introducing a new breed , there doing a great justice for the dog world and all the other associated rubbish , but what changed her mind , thats an easy one  ,  she bought herself  a poodle and now   sells labradoodles   charges nearly double than she did for the labs has well ,   she don't like me any more because i  just casually said   its amazing what 5 grand a pup can do for your mindset LOL .

Mmmm ,, Like i've said numerous times , i don't  now or ever , breed or show dogs , but looking at your post of what you have to go through , if i wanted too  i just would'nt be bothered with all that , makes me wonder in there aim  to stop byb  are they throwing the baby out with the bath water  , it looks to me that there actually encouraging it ,I can feel sorry for the person  up the road with a genuine love for there breed on what they would have toi go through , it would be very off putting  ,

I think Honeyhound is just pointing out , the lies and deception that some breeders will go to ,  this paticular person i would'nt call a breeder , but still theres some  for want of a better word , proper breeders out there , who's only concern is the dollar , the dogs  come second and thats A FACT .

I don't have this  dilima  , because  i break it down  to easy   choices ,  if i want a dog its simple , i ask myself do i want a big or small dog  , in the past its usually a big dog , then i ask myself what type ,  ,  ,  pedigree or mongrel  , to me theres only two  types  a   purbred which is a   pedigree  WITH PAPERS  (prove )  or a mongrel ,   a dog without papers or prove , it could well be a pedigree  , but it could also have something else    without papers , (prove ) i would'nt know sometimes 

I then look and its simple ,   theres the dog wheres the papers ,  no papers , i'm not paying top dollar , they can sprout all the rubbish they want about   mains and no mains  registered ,  , Far has i'm concerned   if i'm buying a pedigree I WANT PAPERS , why am i so adamant thats easy , because that dog is MY POSSESION  and if i want to show the dog , or breed the dog  then i will  simple has that , but in order to do so i need papers (prove )  its that simple , now with saying that i've had some beutiful dogs over the years  (pedigrees )  and i've even had the breeders ask me  will i   bring my dogs back and breed them  they have turned out so good ,  , but    breeding and showing  has no interest for me  so i've never done it my dogs are purely pets .

All in all   its a pedigree with papers or its  not a pedigree ,   and that should reflect in the price ,   want to buy the offsprng of last years cruft champion , be prepared to pay top dollar  , want to buy a dog of gumtree with no papers , well you pay what YOU think its worth ,, don't give this backyard breeder your money ,   me i'd say heres my phone number  give me a ring if you get stuck with 3-4 puppys , i'll take one and give it a good home  but only for free .

Don't encourage bad breeding ,  these people obviously  don't know what there doing  its about the dollars . 

Suppose while i'm ranting i'll mention another pet hate , Breeders who    have dogs , breed from them  3 -4  whatever times , make good money on them and when there older  , want to0 get rid of them to make room for more breeding stock ,  then advertize them has wanted  a good home  to take care of this precious dog , ,  yeh right that precious  its got to go , but then ask thousands for someone else to have the privilige of then bringing an older dog into there home , having to usually house train it often not being able to becuase its lived its live in an outside kennel  new owners  getting an older dog , which is not going to live that long and will come associated with higher vets bills ,  ,  but they still want thousands ,

Grrrr it pisses me off  ,   when looking for an older dog because were now  becoming an older couple this is what i found , so called breeders who love there dogs but loved there dollars even more , ridiculous prices   for   dogs they did'nt even want anymore ,   personally  i don't have a problem ranting about this BECAUSE   to some  (ME ) a dog is like familly IN FACT IT IS PART OF THE FAMILLY AND I COULD'NT GET RID  NO MORE THAN I COULD GET RID OF ONE OF MY KIDS  , to others a dog is just a buisness , when i was working  i sdid'nt have any problem or conscience about getting rid of a worker if they did'nt suit  could'nt do it with my pet though

When at the vet , last week , had a good chat with the vet  , he said    he's happy with his diet , this batch   mixed veg ,    and roo mince , has long has i cook the mince , which i always do  cook his meat ,   i asked if   it would be better to give human grade mince , he said no he's happy with roo provided its COOKED ,, he also suggested ,   give him a  egg once twice a week ,  which i already do ,  and every now and then poor some olive oil on his food ,  i already cook the meat in olive oil and do sprinkle a spoonfull over his food every now and then , so all in all good to know i'm on the right track .

 I'll try human grade meat ,  more of it less veg ,   tried pet chicken mince , couple hundred dollars  vet bills later , vet said it was no good too much bacteria giving him problems , better on cooked roo mince ,  but  human grade mince is'nt much different in price , don't really care about cost ,  vets are not cheap , i know today  before i even get there , its going to be   consult walk in door $90 ..  take swab of his ear and look at it $80  ,  antibiotics $80   steroids $80   and if he can catch me out again ,  which they will not  . ear wash  i can buy at  petbarn for $40   his charge $85 . 

Remember has a kid we always had dogs ,  they were mine so my job to feed them , and  i cannot remember anything except opening a can of pal , chappie , chum , i suppose  we were poor so they got the cheapest plus any scraps  left over .my old man would always say  good enough for us good enough for a dog , and if they turned there nose up at it  they got the same treatment has us kids ,   eat that or nothing be grateful  for what you got .Very strict  parents who really believed in the old saying s , like   get what your given ,    be thankful for what you got , ect 

Point being i can't ever remember having a sick dog ,  later on in life ALL MY DOGS , have been healthy  eating   kibble mainly ,  except for 2 boxers i had  in the good old days of cheap meat , a friday  on way home from work and pop into the abattoirs  , pick up  20 kilo or so of rump steak ,   spend a couple hrs cutting it into chunks and feed it the dogs , my mother in law used to go bunta , she thought it was sacrilige because in England where she come from , she said they could'nt afford meat ,  changed has'nt it .

Fast forward to now and i'm at the vets AGAIN  in a couple of hrs ,  poor dogs got  more licking paws , shaking head and    lay down feeling sorry for himself  , probably another ear infection ,  , i blame it on partly bad breeding and partly  dog food , reason i say dog food , is because  although he still gets it  , the symptoms don't come has often since i now make his food , usually  ,  3-4 veg  pumkin  / sweet potatoe  / beans / carrotts ,  and cooked roo mince  usually mix up  around 3 kilo of veg with 3 kilo cooked roo mince . . If this is a bad diet i'm  open for suggestions , he gets distictivly worse on kibble ,,

Personaly   i'm at wits end with this dog , he's 10 now but will definetly be the last small  dog i get if i ever get another that is , facts are  if i was to  jump back  30 years  i could'nt afford this dog ,  he's cost more in vet bills  than all my previous dogs put together