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Instead of shooing it ,, call it over with a buiscuit , when it gets used to you , pick it up , put it in the car , take it to the council offices , tie it to a post outside with a note on its neck , FREE to good home

Hard one is'nt it , If i was an aboriginal living in the bush trying to kep the traditions and ways of my forefathers , along with the dream time and all the other stuff , Think then i would hate to see the dingo , shot , culled , got rid of in any way shape or form But if i was a farmer , with 10 000 head of sheep and my whole familly's future and livelihood tied up in it , and was reguly losing sheep to dingos i think i'd want them , shot caught moved areas , whatever has long has they stopped killing my sheep . Suppose if i was in my 4 wheel drive going out where the dingos lived , i would'nt be stupid enough to allow my pet or child wonder off So the top two have both got a point the 3rd one is just an idiot who should have no say . But the fourth one , groups who recieve govt money from which the farmer's tax pays for , should just keep there nose out

Did these people have to study at uni long to be able to state the obvious

Did'nt read it , They could of saved heaps of money and just asked what i' and millions of other older dog lovers already knew , Labs are greedy buggers who will eat till they gorge , I can also tell them for nothing . so will my little bitza dog , and feed him the recomended amount once a day say night time , next morning he's looking for food and throwing up white bile , , so he has to have 2 meals a day to stop that , lately because were home more in the colder weather its split into 3 meals , 6am 100 grams ----12-1 pm 100 gms ------ then around 7 pm the last 100 grams , heh presto , no bile , , he's never looking for food anymore , and happy and healthy , There ya go and that info did'nt even have to be funded , ,, can't help but wonder how much it cost for them to state the obvious , labs are a greedy dog I'm basing that on owning a few , plus being brought up with my grandfathers labs , cannot ever remember him not having one , every single one of them called prince has well LOL

Sorry he got caught he means ,, The dog meant a lot to him , Yeh sure did , bet he was thinking about it a lot while he was running away , I'd give him 6 months in the big house to get over his depresion and anxiety , along with a video of the dog being destroyed , he could watch it to cheer himself up ,

Think you done the right thing , it could off worked out OK then again it could of been 15 years of problems and heartache , personaly i would'nt buy that grief

My sister was given one , she loved it large big bundle of fluffy white fur ,, Then it got bigger lucky they live in the country and had a big backyard because walking it became a problem for them , there is only her and my neice and neither were strong or capable enough to walk him , he just dragged them to wherever he wanted to go , lovely dog though that unfortunatly got some desease and died at around 2 ,,, WHAT IT DID DO WAS MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT DOG TO GET NEXT they got a little sausage dog (daschund ) , much more suitable to them and there lifestyle

Your never going to stop this because simply theres money involved , I know of a lady , i've only spoke to her a couple of times through mutual freinds , she apparantly bred labradors , i have heard her very vocal in the past totaly against labradoodles , claiming it was byb 's doing the wrong thing for money ect ect , throwing out all the against ideas , not in favor one bit , got to say i agreed with her a lot and could'nt then and still cannot understand why people will pay THOUSANDS for a mongrel she was always happy to hear my opinion , my wifes freind payed 5 grand for one ,, 5 GRAND FOR A MONGREL WITH HEALTH ISSUSES . Anyway that was then , now is now and she's changed her whole ideas and attitudes , now its great there introducing a new breed , there doing a great justice for the dog world and all the other associated rubbish , but what changed her mind , thats an easy one , she bought herself a poodle and now sells labradoodles charges nearly double than she did for the labs has well , she don't like me any more because i just casually said its amazing what 5 grand a pup can do for your mindset LOL .

Mmmm ,, Like i've said numerous times , i don't now or ever , breed or show dogs , but looking at your post of what you have to go through , if i wanted too i just would'nt be bothered with all that , makes me wonder in there aim to stop byb are they throwing the baby out with the bath water , it looks to me that there actually encouraging it ,I can feel sorry for the person up the road with a genuine love for there breed on what they would have toi go through , it would be very off putting ,

I think Honeyhound is just pointing out , the lies and deception that some breeders will go to , this paticular person i would'nt call a breeder , but still theres some for want of a better word , proper breeders out there , who's only concern is the dollar , the dogs come second and thats A FACT .

I don't have this dilima , because i break it down to easy choices , if i want a dog its simple , i ask myself do i want a big or small dog , in the past its usually a big dog , then i ask myself what type , , , pedigree or mongrel , to me theres only two types a purbred which is a pedigree WITH PAPERS (prove ) or a mongrel , a dog without papers or prove , it could well be a pedigree , but it could also have something else without papers , (prove ) i would'nt know sometimes I then look and its simple , theres the dog wheres the papers , no papers , i'm not paying top dollar , they can sprout all the rubbish they want about mains and no mains registered , , Far has i'm concerned if i'm buying a pedigree I WANT PAPERS , why am i so adamant thats easy , because that dog is MY POSSESION and if i want to show the dog , or breed the dog then i will simple has that , but in order to do so i need papers (prove ) its that simple , now with saying that i've had some beutiful dogs over the years (pedigrees ) and i've even had the breeders ask me will i bring my dogs back and breed them they have turned out so good , , but breeding and showing has no interest for me so i've never done it my dogs are purely pets . All in all its a pedigree with papers or its not a pedigree , and that should reflect in the price , want to buy the offsprng of last years cruft champion , be prepared to pay top dollar , want to buy a dog of gumtree with no papers , well you pay what YOU think its worth ,, don't give this backyard breeder your money , me i'd say heres my phone number give me a ring if you get stuck with 3-4 puppys , i'll take one and give it a good home but only for free . Don't encourage bad breeding , these people obviously don't know what there doing its about the dollars . Suppose while i'm ranting i'll mention another pet hate , Breeders who have dogs , breed from them 3 -4 whatever times , make good money on them and when there older , want to0 get rid of them to make room for more breeding stock , then advertize them has wanted a good home to take care of this precious dog , , yeh right that precious its got to go , but then ask thousands for someone else to have the privilige of then bringing an older dog into there home , having to usually house train it often not being able to becuase its lived its live in an outside kennel new owners getting an older dog , which is not going to live that long and will come associated with higher vets bills , , but they still want thousands , Grrrr it pisses me off , when looking for an older dog because were now becoming an older couple this is what i found , so called breeders who love there dogs but loved there dollars even more , ridiculous prices for dogs they did'nt even want anymore , personally i don't have a problem ranting about this BECAUSE to some (ME ) a dog is like familly IN FACT IT IS PART OF THE FAMILLY AND I COULD'NT GET RID NO MORE THAN I COULD GET RID OF ONE OF MY KIDS , to others a dog is just a buisness , when i was working i sdid'nt have any problem or conscience about getting rid of a worker if they did'nt suit could'nt do it with my pet though

When at the vet , last week , had a good chat with the vet , he said he's happy with his diet , this batch mixed veg , and roo mince , has long has i cook the mince , which i always do cook his meat , i asked if it would be better to give human grade mince , he said no he's happy with roo provided its COOKED ,, he also suggested , give him a egg once twice a week , which i already do , and every now and then poor some olive oil on his food , i already cook the meat in olive oil and do sprinkle a spoonfull over his food every now and then , so all in all good to know i'm on the right track .

I'll try human grade meat , more of it less veg , tried pet chicken mince , couple hundred dollars vet bills later , vet said it was no good too much bacteria giving him problems , better on cooked roo mince , but human grade mince is'nt much different in price , don't really care about cost , vets are not cheap , i know today before i even get there , its going to be consult walk in door $90 .. take swab of his ear and look at it $80 , antibiotics $80 steroids $80 and if he can catch me out again , which they will not . ear wash i can buy at petbarn for $40 his charge $85 .

Remember has a kid we always had dogs , they were mine so my job to feed them , and i cannot remember anything except opening a can of pal , chappie , chum , i suppose we were poor so they got the cheapest plus any scraps left over .my old man would always say good enough for us good enough for a dog , and if they turned there nose up at it they got the same treatment has us kids , eat that or nothing be grateful for what you got .Very strict parents who really believed in the old saying s , like get what your given , be thankful for what you got , ect Point being i can't ever remember having a sick dog , later on in life ALL MY DOGS , have been healthy eating kibble mainly , except for 2 boxers i had in the good old days of cheap meat , a friday on way home from work and pop into the abattoirs , pick up 20 kilo or so of rump steak , spend a couple hrs cutting it into chunks and feed it the dogs , my mother in law used to go bunta , she thought it was sacrilige because in England where she come from , she said they could'nt afford meat , changed has'nt it . Fast forward to now and i'm at the vets AGAIN in a couple of hrs , poor dogs got more licking paws , shaking head and lay down feeling sorry for himself , probably another ear infection , , i blame it on partly bad breeding and partly dog food , reason i say dog food , is because although he still gets it , the symptoms don't come has often since i now make his food , usually , 3-4 veg pumkin / sweet potatoe / beans / carrotts , and cooked roo mince usually mix up around 3 kilo of veg with 3 kilo cooked roo mince . . If this is a bad diet i'm open for suggestions , he gets distictivly worse on kibble ,, Personaly i'm at wits end with this dog , he's 10 now but will definetly be the last small dog i get if i ever get another that is , facts are if i was to jump back 30 years i could'nt afford this dog , he's cost more in vet bills than all my previous dogs put together

Agree 100% with this , , my little dog , in fact ALL my dogs has been taught leash time is fun time , this little fella soon has he see's his leash wants t get on it , if i let him off he runs around me jumping up , wanting to get back on it , if he is off , i only have to hold it in the air wave it and shout walkies , and he's back like a shot sitting down wanting it on , very very important you teach a good recall , then you can put him back on BEFORE the play becomes over whelming for him , But personaly i would just never go to a dog park , with saying that i do go to a dog beach but thats 3 kilometres long and only really really busy in summer , and i NEVER go then , say 3pm to 7 pm , to much of what your describing going on .

6 month old , tell him NO, nows the time to teach him , no if buts or maybees , he has to learn to behave . Good luck

I think your correct , people do not relize a lead is not natural and just do not spend the time with them to teach . I know EVERY SINGLE PUPPY i have ever owned , has had a leash put on it for a short while daily just to drag around , get them used to it , every single dog to start with has never gone out unless on a leash with a big deal made out of get your lead , get your lead , walkies , i have always spent a lot of time teaching them lead time is fun time we go out , even going to the car , its lead on , get in car lead off , before we get out its settle and lead on , My current dog will rarely walk without his lead , , he gets excited , and wants it on , when on my houseboat and out bush where he can go off and run around , he will not go off the boat unless i put him on the leash and take him off . I can walk him out of the house , off the boat wherever , and he just walks jumping up at his leash he wants it on However i do use a retractable lead with him , but never on the road , then its short ALWAYS , on our own , on the beach i use it because he simply will not move away from me unless he's on it crazy really , , but long leashes ( usually long long rope , tied to the leash ) i've always used to teach a dog recall. . I may also add this current dog is a small little white fluffy thing , mixed breeed of some thing or another , and not very strong , i have never and would never use a retractable lead with any of my previous dogs because they have all been large , them i just taught to love being on lead because it was fun and lots and lots of recall training , i think a lot of people don't know the fun you can get from training your dog , to come , fetch , sit , down, heel , ect ect . Got 8 grandkids various ages , and the youngest ones now , love coming around , and hiding , while i send the dog to find them , and its something that the older grandkids used to love , when other dogs i owned , used to do it with them , I used to do it with my boys when they were kids , tell them to hide and send the dog to find them , In fact i can go back to when i was a kid , and used to do it with my mates , play hide and seek in the scrub and send my dog to find them , always border collies , they were the only dog my old man would have in the house , people have forgot dogs are fun

Now thinking about it , I wonder what percentage of dogs leash reactive are just sencing and passing on there owners nerves , I'm saying this because my wife and I over the years have had thousands of walks on the dog beach and you can bet your life if my dog has been off leash or even on leash ,if another dog approaches , my wife gets nervous and will tell me grab the dog, grab the dog , i will say leave it let them sniff let them socialize , course i've always kept a close eye for bad body language and on the very rare occasion stepped in put mine on leash or said to the other person grab ya dog mate , but thats been pretty rare . Also two rottys i owned on different occasions i actuallu banned my wife from walking them , she would come home and tell me they were aggressive with other dogs and sometimes people walking towards her , i actually followed her one day to watch and straight away spotted the problem , SHE not the dog was getting nervouse if others approached , she said she was scared to death of dog fights , but facts are i NEVER had the problem with me both them dogs would totally ignore human or animal , with her i think they senced her nerves and went into protective mode . I've also noticed when i'm there , (dog beach ) its easy to tell the confident dogs, there usually with confident owners , theres a lady who first time our heeler went to round up her ridgebacks , 4 or 5 of them , i apolagised , she just laughed , said its ok he's only a pup , and there loving the running , she was just has confident has her dogs were , in fact she was the first one who noticed he was no longer with me often , . Dogs can sence when owners are scared or nervous , makes me wonder if there reactive to other dogs , or going into protective mode , plus its amazing how dogs can quite often settle down and mix ok , when there off leash and just left to sniff , course you always get the odd one who spoils the party , but if people know they have a biter they should stay away

Think the answers to this question are has long has they are varied , its not one thing its lots of reasons , . But i think right up there is bad manners , from owners , that let little fido do has he wants , and do not disciplne or teach there dog manners just like they don't teach there kids , sign of the times I'm not a breeder or shower of dogs , nor am i a trainer of dogs , so i don't claim to know everything we can all learn , but what i am is a guy who has had dogs all his life , and i've never had any problems really , ALL my dogs have been behaved had a couple perhaps not so much , BUT every dog has been under control usually by a look , a call , or speach , and i have never ever hesitated to leash any dog that is remotly reactive to other dogs , , my dogs have been my mates and i don't want to see them bite or get bitten by another dog , but above all i have always treated them has what they are ANIMALS , and you need to control them , I think too many people nowqadays treat there dogs has babys , , even thats OK has long has you relize , babys grow into todllers , --- into children --- into teenagers , and manners need to be taught early , giving a dog a tug and saying a sharp NO is not cruel its quite often needed .

If i was looking for a dog and this one came up , i would jump at it , but thats because i like scruffy looking dogs , and the GWP is up there amongst them , my mates got one he's a great dog , smart but goofy , really nice dogs with a personality that suits my own . However if they became popular and purposly bred for profit i would stay WELL AWAY from them , i would not want to encourage it by giving my money , think i'd just buy a pedigree GWP , if i could afford one , i don't know what they go for Regards 1500 dollars , well Thats a hard one , i argue with my wife over this subject , so i've got no chance with you lot LOL , i bought a dog years ago from the pound , can't remember how much 100 maybee 200 dollars , i'm talking probably 20 years ago , bought him has a companion for a rotty pup i had , , after a few days , i actually hated the thing , just could'nt take to the yapping crying , pooing weeing little thing that annoyed the hell out of my self and my neigbors , it just constantly howled and cried day and night , BUT he was a little white fluffy thing that had become very popular , after a few days and a couple of nasty notes left in my letterbox from irate neighbors i decided he had to go , now i advertized him and my phone did'nt stop ringing , people were actually offering me more than i paid for him , these white fluffy designer dogs were popular . But at the same time a elderly lady we knew , had just lost her long time freind so i approached her , if she wanted him , she could'nt afford a couple hundred dollars like i said it was a lot of money 20 years ago , so i asked if she wanted him for nothing ,, she was reculant at first , so i took him around to her house to show her , well it was love at first sight both of them , , when i left the house , this dog was curled up asleep on her lap , she was promising ro pay me so much a week , i told her NO way i don't want money just a good home , spend it on food , for him , my wife still goes around to see her now in a nursing home , and i believe her room is like a shrine to that dog her companion for many years after money whilst important to me takes second place to finding a good home . But by and large i do think people should pay , not everyone is like me lots of people will not look after something , be it animal or mechanical , if its free . and with that in mind i doubt i would pay 1500 dollars for a rescue dog , i got annoyed at the rspca , when the current dog i own was actually $350 same has all the dogs they had when i went in enquired said i would have it , but when i went in to pick it up the next day , they demanded $450 i asked why the jump in price and was told , because dogs like him are popular we can sell them all day everyday , so want more for him , , i had my heart set on him so payed the extra , but it left a sour taste in my mouth that has lasted for the last 8 years i've owned him , probably because i had actually bought dogs from them before , once i even donated a worker of mine to go in there and spend a week painting kennels i paid his wages for the week , i felt ripped off , it was'nt the money it was the proverbial principal of the thing , Same has recently looking for another dog , i wanted a adult dog skip the mess , so its obvious a breeder with an older dog , i approached a few who advertized , all advertized , brought up with children in the house bla bla bla ,, but NON yes not one of the dogs i enquired about would give me a gaurantee they were house trained , that was my BIGGEST priority , yet all wanted big money for them dogs , not a good home , money was the key factor , so just like the breeder checks out the buyer i was checking out the breeder ,, in fact i could'nt believe it when i seen the price of some dogs 5 years of age , that being big breeds probably would'nt live much past 8 or 9 before they were costing me big vets bills , . Fine line between whats the most important , money or a good home . I know if for some reason my little mate had to go , a good home over money would be my priority all day everyday ,, but on the other hand unless you were like this elderly lady i knew personaly , i would 'nt trust that giving him away would gaurantee a good home in fact iit could work the opposite ,, hard one is'nt it , 12 years ago a young girl had to get rid of her 10 month stumpy tail cattle dog , i said to her i would take him but did'nt want to pay just promised a good home , i had him 12 months ,, then after minding him for 3 weeks while we went on holiday , my son and his children were sad they had to give him back , i decded that they could take him he would be better off with them , outdoor active familly , , he's coming to the end now but had a great life well looked after cherished member of the familly , . If i knew then how he would off turned out i would of paid thousands for him and considered it worth every cent , but at the time alls i was willing to offer was a good home , the girl was just glad someone would take him . Like i said its a hard one

Think in that situation you have NO CHOICE but to do what you feel neccesary at the time , i sometimes don't come across with what i mean , , but i have seen your sort of scenario a few times too many and would agree with any dog owner the first thoughts are save your pet ,, what i'm more on about is i've seen perhaps 20 ---30 --- 40 times more almost daily the scenario where , on a public dog beach people take there little dog and completly panic if another dog freindly or not comes up , grab there baby hold them high , or pull them back and actually wind up a freindly dog into aggresive mode because they are scared not there dog , i see it at least a couple times a week , and shake my head and think if you have a timid scared dog do what i do DON'T TAKE IT do not put yourself in that position , , i don't know how many times a week i see it , freindly but inquisitive dogs getting kicked , shouted at because people take there timid scared dog on a leash free area , i'm not talking about big reactive dogs attacking little dogs , but scared owners demanding other people leash there dogs because they are scared or there dogs are timid . Has much has it was my responsibility to leash my shepard and stop him running up to timid dogs , which i did because i knew he had this fault , i consider it my responsibilty not to take my dog timid present dog to unleashed areas and then complain about every dog that comes to sniff . I really do think if you don't want your dog to socilize take him for a walk on a leash round your block , do not take them to a dog beach or dog park , Course we are not talking about viscous dog reactive dogs thats another story , and like i said when i had a 60-65 kilo black faced mean looking rotty i never had that problem people just leashed there dog and walked around even though he was freindly the idiots are only bothered about consequences

Unfortunatly your correct , i see it EVERYDAY , my little fella has not been to the beach with me once this summer , i look out the window see people there with there dogs and leave him home , come winter when theres less people i'll start letting him come again , he's only small runs around the house so gets his excercise , but the dog beach is out of bounds for him till winter when its usually empty , your also correct about people not having control over there dogs , i see it all the time a total lack of recall , probably the most important thing needed , like i said my previous shepard had NO RECALL , his idea of coming back to me would to run back full belt only to run past me to get a pat of the other person he sen a mile away , and thats why for 17-18 years unless the beach was empty he was ALWAYS on leash , Funny enough though whn i brought another dog in his recall became better , but i've got to admit it was always the second dog he was following not my command LOL ,, he was like the bunny energiser , kept on keeping on outlived two other dogs , 17-18 years of just looking at me like i was stupid and doing what he wanted ,LOL , fortunatly that was only outside , inside perfect dog

I can also tell you about a couple of times dogs were not let go , one funny enough also attacked by a ridgeback , the gent pulled his dog away and up ridgeback trying to get at it got more and more incensed , gent started swinging his dog up and away , virtually hanging it , poor bugger was screaming both him and his dog , ridgeback latched on and a tug of war started , little dog badly hurt , i don't know if it survived . Another time around 10-12 years ago , a big rottweiler got away from its stupid owner she did have it on the lead but brought a dog reactive monster to the beach which when it seen an old ladys maltese cross , it went to sniff , old lady would'nt let go of the lead stirred the rotty up more by pulling her dog and shouting it just pulled its owner and she let go , rotty latched on to the small dog up till then it was agressive but not kill mode , the swinging the little dog once again riled it up like i said it latched on started shaking , i'm a big fella and it took all my strenght to drag the rotty in the sea while its latched onto the small dog and force its head under water so it would let go it killed the little dog , owner of rotty left it and run while the commotion was going on , Both times i could'nt help but think if they had just let there dog have a sniff and cower under supervision off course things would off been different both them times and other times i've seen where its definetly been screaming pannicking owners riling the attacking dog up more , course its going to vary from situation to situation Theres more experienced dog owners tan me on here , ( breeders , ect ) like to hear there thoughts , on let them sniff or scream panic and pull your dog away , course if its a full on attack you have no choice .

I think the operative word here is CONTROL , you need to be in control of your dog at all times wether its in the street on a dog beach , dog park wher ever it does'nt matter if your dog is not under control DO NOT UNLEASH , Personaly i've said on here a dozen times i spend half my days on a dog beach fishing its easy i live over looking it , so i go at least 3-4 times a week , over the years like many i've owned a few dogs . and they have all come down with me to the beach , its a case of know your dog , unfortunatly a lot just don't care , , i had a BIG BIG shepard , he was the most gentle dog i've ever owned , lousy watchdog , freindly has , but when i took him to the beach he was always on leash , he was too freindly he would spot another dog and zoom he's gone wants to play , spot a person and zoom even quicker wanting to lick then and get a pat , my worry was NEVER him hurting anything or anyone but scaring them when he came charging up the beach at them , once he started his run there was no coming back when called , because of that i'd be fishing anyone else came on he was put on lead , till they had walked past patted him and shown they were not scared , On the other hand i had a big rotty who to be honest i did'nt ever put on a lead , i had total control over him , but that dog would lie next to me , and not budge , if i walked 10 feet to cast my rod he walked 10 feet with me would not leave my side , i did have the occasional argument over the years with other people , who's dogs were not under control , and usually about the rotty , because although he would be next to me other dogs not under control charge him at there peril , there were a couple off occasions when dogs had come charging at him and although he was'nt dog reactive he would play with other dogs , show him aggresion and he would return the favor , like i said there were a couple off occasions where dogs off leash has they were allowed , were not under control and charged him , end result being myself telling there owners to get there dog under control , he just would'nt put up with rude dogs , and too be honest i made no apolagies for him , because the owners should do what i done with my shepard and thats leash him if others were around ,, then again i also had a heeler , smack in the middle , he would just run and run up and down that beach , usually trying to round other dogs up , i got too know a lot of the dogs and owners who came down regular and they loved to watch him play with there dogs , especielly when he used to try round them up , once again thogh very freindly gentle dog , what i did notice over the years was people only became accountable and try to control there dogs when its going to end badly for them , my rotty i found when people seen a 60 kilo rotty with a black mean looking face off leash theye tended to leash there dog , and give a wide berth , with the heeler he's been charged a few times , but he was always to quick and nimble and would turn it into a game never the less i have had to say to people leash your dog mate if he's dog reactive get him under control , because all mine except for the shepard ONE CALL and there back by my side , sitting down waiting for me to allow them to carry on , Sam the shepard was my most gentle dog i've ever owned , but unfortunatly outside only , the only one i could'nt control , luck though 17-18 years everyone knew him , and when he was off leash they would send him back to me , other wise he would off gone home with them LOL Its really all about MANNERS ,,, PS i will say though don't want to tell breeders and experienced owners how to suck eggs , but one thing i noticed over 40 years off going to this dog beach is when one comes running , the little old lady / or man who grabs and picks up there fur baby while screaming makes it 10 times worse , let your dog go , let it cower and show defeat , or simply run away , because i've seen lots go into full attack mode when owners are swinging little pugsy in the air by its lead and fido is getting more worked up and attacking

I've found this really interesting reading about these problems , WHY , because i'm having all these same skin , scratching , inflamed ears ect ect , problems with my dog , I ask myself why is it different now has opposed to dogs for the last 40 years , and i keep coming up with the same answer ,, when i was a kid we had dogs , they were always healthy and in good nick , but my parents always said there the kids pets , both of themn were not paticulary fond of dogs and animals , so the rules were steadfast , there your dog , YOU c lean up there mess or THEY GO , there dogs they eat what we leave , we were poor i suppose so alls they got was a spoonful of pal , chappie whatever , over the scraps to give it taste and that was it , yet i cannot remenmber a dog we owned that did'nt live a long live and ever had problems that took them to the vet , and to be honest my dad would of rather spent 10 cents on a bullet than 10 dollars at a vet . Fast forward i got married we still had dogs , i and my wife are dog lovers , but 40 plus years later . all our dogs lived to a far far more life expectency than what they were supposed to , and NOT ONE of our ogs has cost us much at the vets , all of them were not fed speciel diets they were all fed meat , bit of kibble tin of pal , lots of scraps , all of them were fed what we has a familly did'nt finish , all of them topped up by supermarket kibble , for when there were no left overs , quite often a spoonful of tinned meat to give them the taste , and ALL OF THEM have lived long lifes and very very rarely at the vets Now present day , first little dog , first dog i've ever spent the money on in regards money is;nt the object , i buy whatever he needs i buy whatever i read is the best , I've spent THOUSANDS trying to clear ear infections , and he still licks ,m still seems in distress , so i said to my wife NO MORE , stuff the expensive 150 dollars a bag of kibble , stuff everything i read , , for his ears about a month ago i said give him ear , (scuse the pun ) and i swabbed his ears with Cider vinigar , i stopped buying expensive kibble , and buy a small bag has a filler , the rest of the time he gets scraps , meat , chicken , basicly what we eat , times like tonight theres no left overs so he gets kibble and a couple of spoon fuls of pal to taste , , also he gets bones , i have started treating him like what he is A DOG back to basics and guess what , his coats shiny , his nose is wet , he's running up and down the hallway , with his toy in his mouth growling and snarling , jumping on the furniture and behaving like a pup , he's actually become once again a healthy dog