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Happens in all walks of life the small minority , shout loud and long till they convince the majority to just keep stum or agree with them , and they do keep stum because most people would rather walk away from confrontation , and these people know that so they just get louder , scream there right and everyone else is wrong , until people think there the majority and then just go along with it to be part of the group and be accepted .. Its just life .

My frustrations , when i was looking for a dog a few months ago , was simply i was looking for an older dog , i was very breed specific i knew what i wanted ,, To be honest HOW MUCH was never ever going to be my first question , because it does'nt matter sooner or later we come to the price , and just has breeders are not scared of telling me why there dog is worth that much i'm not scared to say sorry , sell him to someone else , its too much . My biggest problem was finding a dog that was brought up in the familly enviroment in the home just about everyone i spoke to claimed ,, I based the fact that when i pushed and reiterated it MUST BE HOUSE TRAINED m or i will bring it back , it usually came out that the dog was'nt house trained it lived / slept in the kennells ,, also what i had a problem with was paying a few thousand for a 5 year old dog that came from a breed that don't usually live past 8-9 years anyway , so it was only likely to ever be a dog for a couple of years that we could enjoy before the vet bills started coming in . Its a really really hard subject because BOTH sides are right , there are a lot of people who just tell breeders what they want to hear , and are good at it ,,, but theres just has many breeders who do the same , that tell , lies about the dogs upbringing ect ect . , Suppose the best way is to go to the local dog shows , kennel club meetings , spot the breed you want and get to know the breeders and ask there advice ,, But then again good lucjk with that one , i tried doing that and came away even more flustered , the back stabbing and bitchieness was unbelievable , LOL it was actually quite funny but if your sensible you will get past that and learn a lot

Thanks Ann i'll give it a dozen face palms , then ,, because the second dog had already shown bad tendencys attacked and killed weeks earlier , yet kept around a baby

2 genuine questions here 1--- Whats Facepalm 2 --- These two dog behavourists or whatever they are ,, do they do any sort of course , at uni , a dog centre or whatever work with vets ,, have to have 5--10---15 years experience of breeding , working , training dogs or just set themselves up and call themselves dog behavourists or whatever with no qualifications neccesary , just like a lot of them on U tube who try to tell you if you buy the lead or 2 inch collar off them all will be well , but you must subscribe .

I know when i was a kid , seemed to be border collies everywhere , and just usually hanging around on the front ,, mind yoy i still live in the same area , and it was different then , it was right on the outskirts of Adelaide and a country area then , Just new small estates going up there was still a lot of farms and winerys around and every kid seemed to have a dog .

She will and the end result will be what i said all along , she will get rid of the dog , but i bet its still there if you want it , won't cost you thousands has you just told me , because your a qualified dog social worker , behavourists i doubt work for 10 dollars an hr , and i doubt they will fix it in 2 sessions so they will cost money ,, but heh , your qualified like i keep saying YOU TAKE IT but no you don't want the responsibility do you ,, BUT you don't mind putting the guilt trips on this poor lady about it deserving chance 7-8 and 9 ,,, i stand by what i said she should'nt listen to idiotic advice from lonely people who love dogs more than the human race simply because by there own admission there lonely... Good bye good night and bon voyage ,

Errmmm , what you doing with my dog shown my wife this pic , she said who took that one , we even have a black recliner , wife said see everyone has a double , that lady has a husband with his feet up and a identical dog lay next to him lol

Well i hope nothing happens to the dog , it was young and playful , BUT should'nt of been out , Its a big dog , and you can see how it would scare a child not used to dogs ... Unfortunatly though the days of keep ya dog in mate , get it under control are gone and going ,,, now your more likely to get a letter seeking damages , or council wanting to put the dog down . Still i would'nt want to go back to the days of when i was a kid ,, you had to pick what streets you could walk down or ride your bike , because brain damage the sheepdog lived in that one and would go you . LOL There was an actualy dog called that at the end of our street , It was a border collie , paddocks eveywhere . us kids nicknamed it brain damage the owner thought it was funny so re named him to that ,, but us kids were all wary , go walking past and it would come running out to attack you , or so we thought ,, has we got older we relized it was not attacking us , just trying to round the kids up ... The owner even still remember his name , used to come home from work and find sheep or cows in the yard that brain damage had rounded up and brought home ,, certainly different days then

Top response from BDJ , its definetly a two edged sword , but asking price and pics , ESPECIELLY for an older dog is not unreasonable ,, i recently enquired about a older rotty ,, , i too was given the speil about its been my favorite its a beutiful dog its part of the familly it will only go to a top home , even asked me for pics of my garden , all of which i fully understand ,, in the end i actually said to the lady are you sure you want to sell her you seem very attached , she assured me she was . So after i listened to the sell i was interested in 2 main things , date of birth of dog turns out it was 12 months older than advertized not a biggie if its a small dog but were talking a rotty here advertize has 5 , but actually 6 years old , thats not a lot of life left and the price when we got around to it was $2500 you can buy a pup for that My next and most important question and i did say if i purchase the dog , it was very important , IS the dog house trained ,, answer was NO it usually lives in the kennels ,, so much for it being brought up in a familly suppose what she meant was we let it out to play and the kids feed it , regardles it had not been brought up in the familly home if it was'nt house trained So whilst i can really understand breeders wanting only the best for there dogs , to me i just don't think this lady did , her most important thing was she gets the price she wanted , she did actually say in the ad , anyone asking price first don't bother . . the conversation was.nt too deep i made my mind up has soon has she said $2500 for an older dog , but honestly if i had a dog i needed to rehome , and that dog had too go for whatever reason , if i could find a home such has mine , an experienced owner with the means to look after it , someone who's dogs have always lived a LONG healthy LIFE , someone who can show me they live virtually on top of a dog beach and whats more use it everyday , someone who the dog will be with 24/7 ,, then i think i'd pay them too take it , ( tongue in cheek ) putting obstacles in the way by refusing pics and questions would be the last thing i do . However it really is a two edged sword , BDJ got the correct responding post

Well i suppose there is other people that know more than both YOU and I , people who are employed by an organization thats been around probably longer than you or I have been born ,an organization that employs vets , trainers and deals with more dogs in a day than you and I would deal with in a lifetime , and guess what they agree with me its called the rspca ,People on here INCLUDING yourself have continually said if the dogs took there it will be given the needle before she got out the carpark , and rightly so , but why would they do such an awful thing after all the experts such has you all think it should be given more chances and see a behavourist and the vet , with the aims of curing it . I would suggest it may have something to do with a policy thats been implemented by pets and behavourist a lot more qualified than you and me , to not take chances with a childs life ,, , maybee you should ring or write them and perhaps tell hem they are dicks , or idiots and they don't know what there talking about ,, yes go tell them that a childs welfare is not has important has knowing for sure a viscous little biter cannot be fixed , I may also add a dog that at 5 months shows know fear of an adult male and attacks him a 5 month old dog with instincts that actually tell it not just to bite a cat on the shoulder or the leg put to pounce on the back of its neck , has Belinda described . Now if you can get them to publicly admit there wrong , and publicly change there policy to not euthanizing animals that attack children ,, i will take out a full page apology to you in any newspaper you like , i will also buy you that new dog you want from any breeder you like ,, Think i will be keeping my money in my pocket though ,, because guess what when Belinda rings up the rspca . or 9 out of 10 vets and tells them her dog randomly attacks a child its done it 4 times its also attacks adults and other animals , i am certain there advice will be same has mine GET RID . . BRING IT IN , or take it too the rspca where we know what there policy is , ALREADY GOT 3 OUT OF 3 shall we tyr for 10 out of 10 ,,, wil you be convinced then that spending thousands trying to rehabilitate the dog is silly Anyway lets call it a DRAW ,,, THERE ARE TWO POLARIZING VIEWS HERE THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE ,, Your view is , simply to try and rehabilitate . to see dog behavourist , vets , and Auntie Nellie up the road who does voddoo , anyone and everyone , has long has the dog gets a chance to be fixed and saved before he gets the needle . AND ITS A VIEW YOU WILL NOT CHANGE My view is a lot simpler its simply get rid , after 6 chances its had enough chances , in fact i will say 6 was way way TOO MANY , so get rid save the child , save the cat and save any one else it may have a go at later in life , and by get rid i mean either give it too an adult with full disclosure of what it does or just simply THE NEEDLE ,, no 7th , chance no 8th chance , no thousands spent trying to fix it and rehabilitate it , just plain and simple GET RID . I officailly call this subject a draw , will say it was a hard fight trying to convince you lot and i failed however , i will never give up , i will always have the same views when it comes to dogs that bite children ,, I asked my brother if i could post a pic of his arm , he said NO , so i can't show the results of a dog that was allowed to run around biting people because the owner said its not the dogs fault ,, shame that really i think it may off shocked a few of you into being realistic

Thanks for the advice i'll also enrol in adult school again to appease you , ,,,, Oh Sorry whoops i done it again . But maybee you could tell your freinds to stop reigning insults at me , i apolagised to Belinda for my insult , i have said to Belinda numerous times to do has she feels fit with the advice given by everyone and i think she feels bad enough about it all anyway . However no one is apolagising too me for the insults they sent my way ,, and i can't help but respond to a bunch of people who are just internet bullies with there own little cliquie that shout down and insult anyone who does'nt agree with there save the dog campaigns .. Dispite there bullying and name calling the result is always going to be what i originally said GET RID

Just rang 3 vets . One said we don't have facilities to destroy dogs take it too the rspca . One said bring it in i think it will be your only choice , let the vet see her , there will be a cost involved , admitidly that was the receptionist One actual vet , said in no uncertain terms do not even think of rehoming this dog if its has random has you say , it could happen anytime , bring it in but there is a cost involved NOT ONE yes NOT ONE said give her a choccy biscuit tell her not to be naughty , and if that don't work because the respca won't take her and vets don't euthanize healthy dogs . Just go tie her to a tree . And more importantly NOT ONE said don't believe ya , your just a murderer. Umbelievable how much rubbish people come out with because they love animals , which is'nt a bad thing , but jeez , i know theres enough on here who have no life besides there animals that think i'm a radical fool with no feelings . But i can bet thers a lot more who actually agree with me but over the years have been bullied by the few into keeping there opinions too themselves at the risk of upsetting the woke brigade of animal crusaders , Can just imagine a farmer reading this thinking gee that pups attacked my sheep 6 times now , better go see a behavorist and spend thousands before i get me gun ,, because i might upst some of them animal social workers .. Funny enough though if he went and got his gun you would all say ,, OH well poor thing but he did give it 6 chances and it was going to eventually kill the poor down rtrodden sheep and we can't have that .. But regards a child ,, Naaw don't worry about it take him to a behavourist , get the tim tams out and make the dog happy . ,,, makes me wonder do any of you have children or grandchildren other than your furry purry babies

Ok , So you lot have wore me down , i came on a bit strong to the lady which i apolagised for a dozen times ,, so that one out the way , Now regards the dog , up till now i've been accused of thinking my advice is the only good advice , i've been called aggressive , been called an idiot , been called a dick and obviously upset every part time pet social worker on here , even upset some because my grammer is'nt correct ,,, well sorry for that one thats what you get when you leave school at 13 ,plus the double digits are what my computer sometimes do , , sorry i know its a real problem with the world along with my obviously bad spelling . So like any inteligent human being i decided to have a think and agree with all you experts ,, so i change my mind and say Belinda . Take no notice of me , do not get rid , keep the dog spend thousands getting him looked at and try to fix the problem , I wonder then if in two years , you come back on here and say , Peoples , it was wonderfull i took my dog to all these specelist it only cost me another $100 a week on my morgage We worked it all out ,, he was'nt getting the attention he deserved , it was fixable ,, alls we had to do was give him a chocky buiscuit with his hot cocoa , before beddy bo's , and guess what , its been wonderful ,, he wants to snuggle up with me at bed time in my bed , its been such a wonderful feeling i adopted 2 more , we all have a wonderful time at the park and have done for 2 years , However i am sorry to say , yesterday , , he just had a sudden little brain fart , was'nt his fault i run out of Tim Tams last night and he missed out , so today he was rather upset not in a good place , and he jumped on little Johnny and bit his face Its Ok though Johnny will be good once a plastic surgeon makes him a new ear ,, my poor husband though when he went to stop it got his muscle ripped of the bone and is now crippled ,, , Boy i'll make sure i never run out of tim tams again .. But then again, i think about it and say Belinda , GET RID , and i assure you once you tell ANY VET that its attacked a child and your husband , that vet ANY vet will put her down and sorry to say but if non of these others who believe its not the dogs fault will not take him you have no choice but to put her down so do it like YESTERDAY , or go buy extra tim tams . It should really be obvious how silly some of the advice you get on here is when you have a so called self proclaimed dog social worker telling you Vets will not put it down because its healthy thats even bigger load of rubbish than what theve been sprouting before , Does anyone actually believe a vet would refuse to put a dog with an history of attacking children , down because its got nice teeth and a shiny coat ,, what a crock . This argument reminds me of one i just witnessed on facebook ,, a bunch of LBGT people were shouting down a fella who was upset , men in dresses were going to primary schools , to teach little toddlers it was alright to be a girl if you had a willy and it was alright for little girls to identify has a man , in fact they could be a lampost if they want , and providing they wear a dress , boys and men could identify with girls and use the ladies ,, and like all nutcase groups , there was safety in numbers , they got on and abused this fella called him names said he was homophobic , and others were to scared to voice an opinion in case the nutters shouted them down . Last you will hear of me on the subject , i know i said that before but now i'n genuinly disgusted with some of the morons putting guilt trips on Belinda to spend thousands to save this dog because it keeps in with there moral compass ,, only one thing too do now and thats take it to the vets , tell him it attacks children and see what he says. So you decide do you take the advice of people who's only concern is that the dog is given a fair hearing and you MUST spend money to find the problem to appease them and do right for the dog , becuase they say so because they think all dogs have rights too ,,, or a practical , just take it too the vets surrender it to the rspca and let them do what they will ,,

Belinda ,, do what you think is the right thing to do ,, I truly am sorry for the discisions you have to make , you genuinly seem to care for the dog , i know that or it would never of got the chances it has , so just follow your heart , do what you and your husband deem neccesary , and if nothing else take note , if you purchase one again do your homework ,,, GOOD LUCK

Bye , You could though always answer my question , What should she do with the dog

OK then well if get rid off it is bad advice and unhelpful ,, maybee you can tell us what she should do , what has rescuers shoes got to do with it i've repeatadly said rescuers and such are genuine dog lovers , i've repeatedly said the dog should'nt have a dozen chances its already had 6 , four attacks on a child 1 on an adult , and 1 on a cat , SO what should she do with it ,,You all seem to have an issue with the fact i keep saying go see a behavorist or vet , or whoever , whatever is a waste of time . But you yourself have just said excatly what i'm saying quote ( If the dog is a hazard in one home today it's not going to change just because you remove what tomorrow's trigger is. ) unquote . So why spend all that money on the dog its never going to be suitable is it .. SO I REPEAT what should she do , if get rid is a bad idea , and seeing specelist will not help WHAT WILL ,,, the only thing that will safe this dog is a rescuer , with the financial recources , training ability and full knoledge of what the dogs about ,, and these are the things i continually keep saying ,,, but the little gang of part time rescuers on here who know better seem to be ganging up and having a go at me ,, so i'm wrong i must be , so now tell us all WHAT SHOULD SHE DO . Please inform me i am always willing to learn . Oh and i am not and have not belittled any foster carers , i merely pointed out some of there advice is a waste of time , , they responded telling me i don't know what i'm talking about called me names , , so i asked , if i'm so wrong why don't they take it , prove me wrong , show us pics in 3 years of the dog playing happilly with here grandchild Do you want it

Nice looking dogs ar.nt they ,, anyone own one ,whats there temprement usually like ,,, i have a freind owns a german wired haired pointer think it is , nice dog but very boisterous , only time i ever come close to an english pointer was whan i was about 8 my neighbor had one , i used to knock on there door ask if i could take it for a walk ,, they would say sure put it on the lleash and off i would go remember i would be forever out with that dog , was upset when they moved ,, Lot of years ago though when kids were save to play out in the street and could take there pet dog with them .. the good old days

So , which part of my advice has been bad ,, the only advice i have given is get rid ,,, forget the name calling i done calling the lady an Idiot , i have already apolagised for that numerous times ,, but you seem to concentrate on my advice you deem bad , whats bad about it ,, I think we all agree whats going to happen , sooner preferably than later the dog will be away from the child ,,, but where my focus is get rid , yours is GET HELP ,, what for , its going to cost the lady dollars , you yourself said that , and what will happen , its still not going to be a dog you can trust with a child . The l;ady has said its fine 99.9 % of the time freindly and just a normal pup , with NO ISSUES , it comes out of no where ,, i said it will probably be fine with a vet , or any one else that looks at it , BUT what about that 00.01% when its not , this dog cannott and should not be rehomed with any familly , so she is just adding financial hardship to herself to go along with the emotional task of getting rid ,, and WHY its a done deal already , . However i did say she does not neccesarily have to put it down it could be given away , but only to an adult only home with the person being told the full story ,, told you on here before i took a 10 month rotty and he was a big boy , the owner could'nt control him , he had bit numerous people and he was savage ,, difference was though he was'nt good and bad out of no where , he seen dog cat person and wanted to rip them atpart , yet i took him and within 3 months he behaved within 10-12 months he was under total control ,, BUT NEVER EVER to be trutsed , he had an issue the vet told me , in plain words he was just mean , but controlable ,, this one i don;t know because it does it rarely and is good the rest of the time , maybee someone such has yourself with the recources could do something with her , but theres always that 00.01% which could be triggered in 1 maybee 2 or even 3 years . That is why i'm saying GET RID , don't even bother wasting time and money trying to find the cause , because its always going to be dangerous , wether they say it attacks because its got a problem physical or mental or wether they say nothing wrong with it does'nt matter does it . of course if thats the way the lady goes its not going to do the dog one bit of good , it will only be spent to ease her conscence so she can tell everyone she done what she can waste of money ONLY chance this dog has and so it should be is if an adult with no kids few visitors and the ability to train dogs , wants it has a companion and takes it ,,, and theres no need to spend thousands . . Your biggest issue seems to be because you have fostered dogs and obviously a dog lover that this dog should be given every chance see vets , behavourlists , and chiropractors , ect , and not just got rid of one way or the other ,, but like i said you will not take it. would you take it if the lady spends big bucks trying to find the problem and they can give her reasons to what sets it off ,, If you would fantastic ,, if you would'nt well i was correct , whats the point in her spending the money . And thank you for your discusions its past the time , proved nothing except that i think the lady is finally convinced it has to go , which is a good thing ,, its the last i will say on the subject , because the only option that has been there all along , is goiung to be what i said all along GET RID

Think you answered your own question , how can you train one dog when the dog next to him goes where he wants ,,, I know been there , always had two dogs , , but once had a rotty who was good never ever messed in the house once , then when i brought another rescue dog , in who did'nt have the same manners it turned into a contest , did'nt help they were both males , but heh ended up with me having to set up a shed and a run for them , sort of spoiled things because for the first time ever i ended up with what we could call outside dogs at least until the rescue dog passed , then the rotty went back to living inside and doing OK ,, i've found usually its the older dog will teach younger dogs manners , but in this case its going to be bad manners ,

Well I agree , with posters name calling is not good for anything , for that Belinda i ONCE AGAIN i apolagise for any name calling , it was really born out of frustration , , which was caused by the fact you have asked for help about this dog for quite a while now , from being unable to house train the dog through to attacking children ,,, its a subject i am passionate about , see above , i've witnessed it first hand on two occasions , one was my own brother when we were kids he was left a cripple , and another with a workmate , both mauled by savage dogs ,, My strong messages to you were because the signs are there . I still feel though that although everyone is entitled to there opinion ,, being told to try and find out reasons why its doing it is the wrong advice ,, who cares if the dog has a stomach ache , or it gets startled easy or a thryroid issue ,, facts are its a dangerous dog , and the RSPCA agree with me , they will not take it . But you did ask for advice , you have now recieved lots of it good or bad , its up to you now its obvious you are attached to the dog , but its time to make a choice , and its your choice , perhaps maybee one of the other posters who i have upset will put there money where there mouth is and take it off your hands ,, because after all i did apolagise to you for calling you names , a few posts ago , so besides calling you a name which like i said i should'nt of done , there passionate rants both to me and against me , i would summize came from the fact i was giving bad advice which all along has been GET RID , . I'm sure if its only attacking children because its mouthy or having growth spurts or just got belly ache that one of these other extremly experienced people would be able to control and fix the problem , because according to them GET RID is bad advice . , . Good luck with it i'm sure you will do whats best for the child not the dog , and once again i apolagise for the name calling ,, but heh , its brought it to fruition now has'nt it

Give the lady the advice she needs , the dog is a melon the dog is a mental case , the dog is a skitso , call it what you want but give her the advice she needs , GET RID ,, wHO CARES IF THE DOG HAS PHYSICAL ISSUES , THERES A BIGGER ISSUE HERE AND THATS THE SAFETY OF A child , YES A PROPER HUMAN CHILD ... THE LADY NEEDS SENSIBLE ADVICE . Tell you or rather ask you all something , this is especielly for you TDIERIKZ ,,, i HAVE SAID A DOZEN TIMES GET RID BUT NOT NECCESARY PUT HER DOWN , GIVE HER TO AN ADULT WHO CAN CONTROL AND WORK WITH DOGS ,, , now since you seem to think that this dogs issues could be sore ears , teething , upset tummy ,, thinks the childs going to take her teddy ,, and your such an expert who believes in a 100 chances because you worked with speciel needs dogs , YOU TAKE HER ,, you put her with your kids or grandkids , YOU take the risk of her mauling a child you be the one who the police come to see if it ever does it , bet you don't , but you will call me a dick for trying to convey in the strongest possible way not to listen to idiot animal lovers who can see a dog doing no wrong but to acknoledge she has in her house a potential killer ... How do i know , easy , we had a weirdo animal lover with a house full of cats and stray dogs ,, who always made excuses for her dogs being uncontrolable , in the days when people would just let them out to roam , yeh she was making excuses for her reactive nutcase GSD that bit lots of people , she made excuses even after the police took it away and destroyed it , AFTER it ripped my brothers arm to shreds , tore all the muscle of the bone done irriparable damage , and sentenced him to a life with a arm that will not work . YOU TAKE THE DOG , who knows you may even make excuses idf it mauls you .. Belinda the dogs a dud just get rid of it be be sure to be safe

I rescued one a young girl had it and had to leave her rental , she could'nt find another rental that would allow a dog , so i took it when i picked him up she had a baby on the floor dog was around 9 months old and fantastic with the baby from what i could see ,, i had him for about 2 years but after heart surgery he was'nt getting the excercise he needed he needed to run i went for walks ,, but great dog , i gave him too my son because they liked each other and my son went jogging every day and his wife went every day at a different time , it was perfect for him he would get 2 5-6 klm jogs every day , then still run around the yard with my grandaughter all day , he became her best freind , slept on her bed never left her side , but alas she got older went to school , made freinds , he still got his runs and was /is content to be in the house ,, , then 2 years ago along came there next child , he made a beeline for the cot and stayed with the baby all the time , babies two now and guess what , he's her new best freind there insepreble around the back yard in the house , he now sleeps on her bed ,,, He's 10 now and when he goes theres going to be broken hearts in that house , he is probably the best familly dog we have ever had , although my son had been brought up with dogs he never paid much attention to them his wife had never owned one , so you could really say they were first time dog owners , and he has been perfect in fact he still is , i was around there today , he came up for his pat , then goes sits with or follows the grandaughter , ,, great great dog for a familly who excercise or on a property ,,, will be honest though being a bit older now , i would'nt get an heeler for myself i don't jog anymore and there a dog that needs excercise

Bit of a double edged sword really is'nt it ,, i bought a shepard from a breeder , and a staffy from a breeder , well other dogs has well from breeders , but i mention these two because both of them breeders on pick up asked if they could contact me later to see how the dogs were doing ,, i was actually pleased with that , to me it just sort of reiforced that i had chose the right dog from the right breeder they cared about there dogs ,,,, However i don't think i would of agreed if they demanded it , the staffy breeder did actually follow it up but then asked me to show him and stud him , i said no i was'nt interested in showing , and i was'nt bothered about giving him a tate then taking it away just for a couple of dollars ,,, she jokingly said i should of kept him he turned out the best ,, but don't think deep down she was joking LOL