coneye

22 hours ago, Rascalmyshadow said:

I think it all depends on personality rather than sex, we have 5 females and 1 male at the moment but over the last 25 years our pack has changed as we’ve lost and added dogs and for me I would never have more than one male in the house again not because of fighting but because of them marking their territory on stuff they shouldn’t, the only serious fights we’ve ever had (and had to rehome a dog because of it) was between male and female.

 

 

THIS

Happens in all walks of life  the small minority , shout loud and long  till they convince the majority to just keep stum  or agree with them , and they do keep stum  because most people would rather walk away from confrontation , and these people know that so they just get louder , scream there right and everyone else is wrong , until people think there the majority and then just go along with it  to be part of the group and be accepted  .. Its just life . 

My frustrations , when i was looking for a dog a few months ago  , was simply i was looking for an older dog ,  i was very breed specific i knew what i wanted ,, To be honest HOW MUCH  was never ever going to be my first question , because it does'nt matter sooner or later we come to the price , and just has  breeders are not scared of telling me why there dog is worth that much i'm not scared to say sorry ,  sell him to someone else , its too much .

My biggest problem was  finding   a dog that was  brought up in the familly enviroment in the home just about everyone i spoke to claimed ,, I based  the fact that when i pushed and reiterated it MUST BE HOUSE TRAINED m or i will bring it back ,  it usually came out that the dog was'nt house trained it lived / slept in the kennells ,,  also   what i had a problem with was paying a few thousand for a 5 year old dog that  came from a breed that don't usually live past  8-9 years anyway ,  so  it was only likely to ever be a dog for a couple of years that we could enjoy before the vet bills started coming in  .

Its a really really hard subject because BOTH sides are right ,    there are  a lot of people who just tell breeders what they want to hear , and are good at it ,,, but theres just has many breeders who do the same ,  that  tell , lies about the dogs upbringing  ect ect . , Suppose the best way is to go to the local dog shows , kennel club meetings  , spot the breed you want and get to know  the breeders and ask there advice ,,

But then again good lucjk with that one , i tried doing that and came away even more flustered , the  back stabbing and bitchieness  was  unbelievable ,  LOL  it was actually quite funny    but if your sensible you will get past that and learn a lot

19 minutes ago, Papillon Kisses said:

Irresponsible, indiscriminate breeding during the pandemic by people wanting to make a quick buck and fill an unprecedented demand is absolutely part of the problem. Behaviour has a genetic component. It’s not all in how you raise them.

 

Thing you hit the nail on the head , but i would go has far has to say its not only during the pandemic it always seems to be whenever i  surge of popularity  about a breed or cross breed rears its head , and has been doing for years .

Think theres another point worth touching on and thats the dog in NSW after it  killed a neighbors dog and obviously shown bad tendencys , the result was

 

.( quote    Central Coast Council confirmed that last month's attack had been registered, and said "the family was undertaking a breed and temperament assessment" at council's request. unquote )

 The south australian dog , was deemed by council to be unsuitable took away and destroyed .... Now i also know personaly , a guy in SA , who's dog is under a dangerous dog order ,its a BIG DOG  great dane cross mastiff  not sure if it killed another dog or attacked a couple , i know its absolutly viscous  with people  ,, , Now  what he has had too do , was appeal against it being destroyed , and he has had too have a escape proof run   inspected by council built , whenever the dog is out of it  the dog MUST now by law  be muzzled ,,, I believe he also has to prove that he is  giving the dog Prozac i think it is to keep it calm ,,, However it won't be long before its took and destroyed he's   still taking it out unmuzzled , in fact i believe not to long ago it cracked the windscreen lunging at a passerby whilst it was in the car unmuzzled ,,  lucky for the passerby it did'nt get out .

Point being though there does seem a difference between states or councils .

probably time to make  a across the board ruling 

19 minutes ago, Papillon Kisses said:

 

 

2 hours ago, ~Anne~ said:

Facepalm = imagine someone slapping their forehead in frustration while shaking their head… 

Thanks Ann  i'll give it a  dozen  face palms , then ,, because the second dog  had already shown bad tendencys   attacked  and killed  weeks earlier ,  yet kept around a baby

  2  genuine questions  here

1--- Whats  Facepalm

2 --- These two  dog behavourists or whatever they are ,, do they do any sort of course  , at uni , a dog centre or whatever  work with vets ,, have to have 5--10---15  years experience of breeding , working , training dogs  or just set themselves up  and call themselves dog behavourists or whatever with no qualifications neccesary , just like a lot of them on U tube  who try to tell you if you buy the lead or 2 inch collar off them  all will be well , but you must subscribe .

I know when i was a kid , seemed to be border collies everywhere  , and just usually hanging around on the front ,, mind yoy  i still live in the same area , and it was different then , it was right on the outskirts of Adelaide and a country area then , Just new small estates going up  there was still a lot of  farms and winerys around and every kid seemed to have a dog .

2 hours ago, tdierikx said:

You assume much about what people do or don't know about the RSPCA and their practices my friend... you also assume much with regards to what qualifications and actual real life experience some may have that are drawn upon when dispensing advice on certain matters... just sayin'...

 

Based on actual experience in the field, I can honestly say that a thorough vet checkup to rule in/out any physical health issues that may be causing adverse behaviours will not "cost thousands".

 

You cling to a single unfavourable reference to yourself and seem determined to perpetuate the accuracy of that reference with your subsequent postings with particular vehemence and indignation that such a reference should have been directed at you... I stand firm in my summation by the way... *grin*

 

This whole "debate" is moot now though, as the OP seems to have been sufficiently appalled at the vehemence of said debate, and has decided that this place is not somewhere she cares to frequent for any further help. I sincerely hope she has read and digested ALL advice given here, and takes the right steps for both the dog in question AND her family.

 

T.

She will and the end result will be what i said all along , she will get rid of the dog ,  but  i bet its still there if you want it , won't cost you thousands has you just told me  , because your a qualified dog social worker , behavourists i doubt work for 10 dollars an hr , and i doubt they will fix it in 2 sessions  so they will cost money ,, but heh , your qualified like i keep saying YOU TAKE IT  but no  you don't want the responsibility do you ,, BUT you don't mind putting the guilt trips on  this poor lady about it deserving chance 7-8 and 9 ,,, i stand by what i said she should'nt listen to idiotic advice from   lonely people who love dogs more than the human race simply because by there own admission there lonely... Good bye good night and bon voyage ,  

16 hours ago, Valmae said:

Dear Breeders, I have often attempted to buy an older dog on this site and have been spoken to rudely or ignored. It seems discussion about the cost is offensive to some breeders. Is it possible for all breeders to include the cost in the advertisement as well as whether you mind or don’t mind your dog being transported. Also quite often there are no photos. How do we make an informed selection with all this information missing. That is not fair and very one sided. Do you really want to sell your dog and must you make us jump through hoops to satisfy you that we also love dogs and treat them like family members. 
Thank you 

Errmmm , what you doing with my dog   shown my wife this pic  , she said   who took that one , we even have a black recliner ,    wife said see everyone has a double , that lady has a husband  with his feet up and a  identical dog lay next to him  lol

Well i hope nothing happens to the dog , it was young and playful , BUT  should'nt of been out ,    Its a big dog , and you can see how it would scare a child not used to dogs ... Unfortunatly though the days of  keep ya dog in mate , get it under control are gone and going ,,, now your more likely to get a letter seeking damages , or council wanting to put the dog down . Still i would'nt want to go back to the days of when i was a kid ,,  you had to pick what streets you could walk down or ride your bike , because  brain damage the  sheepdog lived in that one and would go you .

LOL There was an actualy dog called that at the end of our street , It was  a border collie ,  paddocks eveywhere .  us kids  nicknamed it brain damage the owner thought it was funny so re named him to that ,, but us kids were all wary , go walking past and it would come running out   to attack you , or so we thought ,, has we got older we relized it was not attacking us , just trying to round the kids up ... The owner even still remember his name  , used to come home from work and find sheep or cows in the yard that brain damage had rounded up and brought home ,, certainly different days then

Top response from BDJ , its definetly a two edged sword ,  but  asking price and  pics  , ESPECIELLY for an older dog is not unreasonable ,, i recently enquired about a older rotty ,, ,

  i too was given the speil about its  been my favorite its a  beutiful dog its part of the familly  it will only go to a top home ,  even asked me for pics of my garden ,  all of which i fully understand ,, in the end i actually said to the lady are you sure you want to sell her   you seem very attached ,  she assured me she was .

 So after i listened to the sell i was interested in 2 main things , date of birth  of dog turns out it was 12 months older than advertized  not a biggie if its a small dog but were talking a rotty here   advertize has 5 , but actually 6 years old , thats not a lot of life left  and the price when we got around to it was $2500  you can buy a pup for that

 My next and most important question  and i did   say if i purchase the dog  ,  it was very important , IS the dog house trained ,, answer was NO  it usually lives in the kennels ,,  so much for it being brought up in a familly  suppose what she meant was we let it out to play and the kids feed it , regardles it had not been brought up in the familly home  if it was'nt house trained

 So whilst i can really understand breeders wanting only the best for there dogs ,   to me  i just don't think this lady did ,  her most important thing was she gets the price she wanted ,   she did actually say in the ad , anyone asking price first don't bother . .      the conversation was.nt too deep  i made my mind up has soon has she said $2500 for an older dog , but honestly   if i had a dog  i needed to rehome , and that dog  had too go for whatever reason , if i could find a home such has mine , an experienced owner with the means to look after it ,  someone who's dogs have always lived a LONG healthy LIFE , someone who can show me they live  virtually on top of a dog beach and whats more use it everyday , someone who the dog will be with 24/7 ,, then i think i'd pay them too take it , ( tongue in cheek  ) putting obstacles in the way by refusing pics and questions would be the last thing i do .

However it really is a two edged sword  , BDJ  got the correct   responding post

2 hours ago, tdierikx said:

I suppose we'll never find out what the end result was for this pup... as the OP has deleted her user profile... **sigh**

 

@coneye, just because someone may disagree with you and vigorously argues their case for same, does not actually mean that you are being bullied... it simply means that you are being disagreed with and the point is being debated.

 

If anyone here is guilty of "bullying" behaviour, one might want to look closer to home than at those disagreeing with their opinion... just sayin'...

 

The fact remains that in such a young pup, an underlying physical health issue may well have been the cause for her behaviour, that once rectified may have sorted the problem. At the very least that possibility should be investigated before irreversible options get enacted.

 

At no point did anyone here forget that there was a 3 year old child involved, and at many points, the OP had been advised and reminded to keep the pup and child separated until she could see a vet to rule in or out any rectifiable health issue... she could just as easily make any long term decisions about the fate of the pup at that initial vet visit also. Last time I checked, humanely ending the life of an animal (in suburban areas anyways) has to be done by a vet, so she would have had to make an appointment anyways, yes?

2 hours ago, tdierikx said:

 

Well i suppose there is other people that know more than both YOU and I , people who are employed by an organization thats been around probably longer than you or I have been born ,an organization  that employs vets , trainers  and deals with more dogs in a day than you and I would deal with in a lifetime , and guess what they agree with me   its called the rspca ,People on here INCLUDING yourself  have continually said  if the dogs took there it will be given the needle  before she got out the carpark , and rightly so , but why would they do such an awful thing   after all the experts such has you all think it should be  given more chances and see a behavourist  and the vet , with the aims of curing it .

I would suggest it may have something to do with a policy thats been implemented by pets and behavourist a lot more qualified than you and me , to not take chances with a childs life ,,  , maybee you should ring or write them and  perhaps tell hem they are dicks , or idiots and they don't know what there talking about ,, yes go tell them  that a childs welfare is not has important has  knowing for sure a viscous little biter  cannot be fixed , I may also add  a dog that at 5 months shows know fear of an adult male and attacks him  a  5 month old  dog with  instincts that actually   tell it  not just to bite  a cat on the shoulder or the  leg put to pounce on the back of its neck , has Belinda described .

Now if you can get them to publicly  admit there wrong , and publicly change there policy to  not euthanizing animals that attack children ,, i will  take out a full page apology to you  in any newspaper you like , i will also buy you that new dog you want from any breeder you like ,,  Think i will be keeping my money in my pocket though ,, because guess what when Belinda rings up the rspca  . or 9 out of 10 vets and tells them her dog randomly attacks a child  its done it  4 times  its also attacks adults and other animals ,  i am certain  there advice will be same has mine GET RID . . BRING IT IN , or take it too the rspca   where we know what there policy is , ALREADY GOT 3 OUT OF 3   shall we tyr for 10 out of 10 ,,, wil you be convinced then that spending thousands trying to rehabilitate the dog is silly

Anyway lets call it a DRAW ,,, THERE ARE TWO POLARIZING VIEWS HERE THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE ,, Your view is , simply  to try and rehabilitate  .  to see dog behavourist , vets , and Auntie Nellie up the road who does voddoo , anyone and everyone , has long has the dog gets a chance to be fixed and saved before he gets the needle . AND ITS A VIEW YOU WILL NOT CHANGE

My view is a lot simpler its simply get rid ,  after 6 chances its had enough chances , in fact i will say 6 was way way TOO MANY , so get rid  save the child , save the cat  and save any one else it may have a go at later in life , and by get rid i mean either give it too an adult with full disclosure of what it does or just simply THE NEEDLE  ,, no 7th , chance no 8th chance , no thousands spent trying to fix it and rehabilitate it , just plain and simple GET RID .

I officailly call this subject a draw , will say   it was a hard fight trying to convince you lot and i failed however , i will never give up , i will always have the same views when it comes to dogs that bite children ,, I asked my brother if i could post a pic of his arm , he said NO  ,  so i can't show the results of a dog that was allowed to run around biting people because the owner said  its not the dogs fault ,, shame that really    i think it may off shocked a few of you into being  realistic

2 minutes ago, Boronia said:

Oh stop being so bossy Coneye.

Why should Belinda do as you say? She is her own person and kudos to her coming here to air her concerns, she now has solutions to her questions and will make her decision regardless of your nagging, please just give it a rest.

And, by the way, it is the excessive use of repeat commas that makes your posts difficult to read; not your grammar, if you search on-line there are tips on how to overcome the glitch to suit the browser you are using

Thanks for the advice i'll also enrol in  adult school again to appease you , ,,,,  Oh Sorry whoops i done it again .

  But maybee you could tell your freinds to stop reigning insults at me , i apolagised  to Belinda for my insult , i have said to Belinda numerous times   to do has she feels fit with the advice given by everyone  and i think she feels bad enough about it all anyway .

However  no one is apolagising too me for the insults they sent my way ,,  and i  can't help but respond to a bunch of people who are  just internet bullies with there own little cliquie  that shout down and insult anyone who does'nt agree with there save the dog campaigns .. 

Dispite there bullying and name calling the result is always going to be what i originally said GET RID

2 hours ago, Rascalmyshadow said:

How many vets do you or have you dealt with???? As someone else commented not many vets will pts a very young healthy puppy just because an owner says it bites, again especially when it is so rare to see a seriously aggressive dog that young.

Just rang 3 vets .

One said  we don't have facilities to  destroy dogs take it too the rspca .

One said  bring it in i think it will be your only choice , let the vet see her , there will be a cost involved , admitidly  that was the receptionist

One actual vet , said in no uncertain terms do not even think of rehoming this dog  if its has random has you say  , it could happen anytime , bring it in but there is a cost involved

NOT ONE yes NOT ONE  said give her a choccy biscuit  tell her not to be naughty , and if that don't work   because the respca won't take her and vets don't euthanize healthy dogs .  Just go tie her to a tree .

And more importantly NOT ONE said don't believe ya ,  your just a murderer. Umbelievable   how much rubbish people come out with because they  love animals , which is'nt a bad thing , but jeez , i  know theres enough on here  who  have no life besides there animals  that think i'm a radical   fool with no feelings .

But i can bet thers a lot more  who actually agree with me but over the years have been bullied by the few into keeping there opinions too themselves at the risk of upsetting the woke brigade of  animal crusaders ,

Can just imagine a farmer reading this  thinking gee that  pups attacked my sheep  6 times now , better  go see a behavorist and spend thousands before i get me gun ,, because i might upst some of them animal social workers ..

Funny enough though if he went and got his gun you would all say ,, OH well   poor thing but he did give it 6 chances and it was going to eventually kill the poor down rtrodden sheep and we can't have that ..

But regards a child ,, Naaw don't worry about it   take him to a behavourist ,  get the tim tams out and make the dog happy . ,,, makes me wonder do any of you have children or grandchildren other than your furry purry babies

Ok ,  So   you lot have wore me down ,  i came on a bit strong to the lady which i apolagised for a dozen times ,,  so that one out the way ,

Now regards the dog ,  up till now i've been accused of thinking my advice is the only good advice , i've been called aggressive , been called an idiot  , been called a dick and obviously upset every part time  pet social worker on here , even upset some because  my grammer is'nt correct ,,, well sorry for that one thats what you get when you leave school at 13 ,plus  the double digits are what my computer sometimes do ,  , sorry i know its a real problem with the world  along with my obviously bad spelling  .

So like any inteligent human being i  decided to have a think   and agree  with all you experts ,,  so i change my mind and say

 Belinda . Take no notice of me  , do not get rid , keep the dog spend thousands  getting him looked at and try to fix the problem ,   I  wonder then  if in two years , you come back on here and say , Peoples , it was wonderfull   i took my dog to all these specelist it only cost me another $100 a week on my morgage

We worked it all out ,,  he was'nt getting the attention he deserved , it was fixable ,, alls we had to do  was give him a chocky buiscuit  with his hot cocoa  , before beddy bo's , and  guess what , its been wonderful ,,  he wants to snuggle up with me at bed time in my bed ,   its been such a wonderful feeling    i adopted 2 more ,  we all have a wonderful time at the park and have done for 2 years ,

However i am sorry to say ,  yesterday , , he just had a sudden little brain fart  , was'nt his fault i  run out of Tim Tams last night and he missed out , so today he was rather upset not in a good place , and he jumped on little Johnny  and  bit his face  Its Ok though Johnny will be good once a plastic surgeon    makes him a new ear ,, my poor husband though when he went to stop it  got his muscle ripped of the bone and is now crippled ,, , Boy i'll make sure i never run out of tim tams again ..

 But then again,  i think about it and  say Belinda , GET RID ,   and i assure you   once you tell ANY VET  that its attacked a child  and your husband  , that vet ANY vet will put her down and sorry to say  but if  non of these others who believe its not the dogs fault will not take him  you have no choice but to put her down  so do it like YESTERDAY , or go buy  extra tim tams  . It should really be obvious how silly some of the advice you get on here is  when you have a so called self proclaimed dog social worker telling you Vets will not put it down because its healthy  thats even bigger load of rubbish than what theve been sprouting before ,

Does anyone actually believe a vet would refuse to put a dog with an history of attacking children , down because its got nice teeth and a shiny coat ,,  what a crock .

This argument reminds me of one i just   witnessed on facebook ,,  a bunch of LBGT people   were shouting down a fella who was upset , men in dresses were going to primary schools  , to teach little toddlers it was alright to  be a girl if you had a willy and it was alright for little girls to identify has a man , in fact they could be a lampost if they want , and providing they wear a dress  , boys and men could identify  with girls and use the ladies ,,  and like all nutcase groups , there was safety in numbers , they got on and abused this fella called him names said he was homophobic , and others were to scared to voice an opinion in case the nutters shouted them down .

Last you will  hear of me on the subject ,   i know i said that before but  now i'n genuinly disgusted with some of the morons putting guilt trips on Belinda to spend thousands to save this dog because it  keeps in with there moral compass ,,   only one thing too do now and thats take it  to the vets , tell him it attacks children  and see what he says.

So you decide  do you  take the advice of people who's only concern is that the dog is given a fair hearing and you MUST spend money to find the problem to appease them and do right for the dog ,  becuase they say so  because they think all dogs have rights too ,,, or  a practical , just take it too the vets surrender it to the rspca and let them do what they will ,,

Belinda ,, do what you think is the right thing to do ,, I truly am sorry for the discisions you have to make , you genuinly seem to care for the dog , i know that or it would never of got the chances it has , so   just follow your heart , do what you and your husband deem neccesary , and  if nothing else take note  , if you purchase one again  do your homework  ,,, GOOD LUCK

2 minutes ago, Powerlegs said:

I've seriously run out of things to say to you that will sink in. I'm putting you on ignore. 

Bye ,      You could though always answer my question , What should she do with the dog

21 hours ago, Powerlegs said:

 

OK then  well if   get rid off it is bad advice and unhelpful ,, maybee you can tell us what she should do , what has rescuers shoes got to do with it  i've repeatadly said  rescuers and such are genuine dog lovers , i've repeatedly said the dog should'nt have a dozen chances its already had 6 ,  four attacks on a child 1 on an adult , and 1 on a cat , SO what should she do with it ,,You all seem to have an issue with the fact i keep saying go see a behavorist or vet , or whoever , whatever is a waste of time . But you yourself have just said excatly what i'm saying

quote ( If the dog is a hazard in one home today it's not going to change just because you remove what tomorrow's trigger is. ) unquote .

So why spend all that money on the dog  its never going to be suitable is it .. SO I REPEAT  what should she do  , if get rid is a bad idea , and seeing specelist will not help WHAT WILL ,,, the only thing that will safe this dog is  a rescuer , with the financial recources , training ability and full knoledge of what the dogs about ,, and these are the things i continually keep saying ,,, but the little gang of part time rescuers on here  who know better  seem to  be ganging up and   having a go at me ,, so  i'm wrong i must be , so now tell us all WHAT SHOULD SHE DO .

Please inform  me  i am always willing to learn . Oh and i am not and have not belittled any foster carers   , i merely pointed out some of there advice is a waste of time ,  , they responded telling me i don't know what i'm talking about called me names ,  , so i asked , if i'm so wrong why don't they take it  , prove me wrong , show us pics in 3 years of the dog playing happilly with here grandchild  Do you want it

Nice looking dogs ar.nt they ,, anyone own one ,whats there temprement usually like ,,, i have a freind owns a  german  wired haired pointer think it is , nice dog but very  boisterous ,  only time i ever come close to an english pointer was whan i was about 8  my neighbor had one , i used to knock on there door ask if i could take it for a walk ,,   they would say sure put it on the lleash and off i would go  remember i would be forever out with that dog  ,  was upset when they moved ,, Lot of years ago though when kids were save to play out in the street and could take there pet dog with them .. the good old days

1 hour ago, tdierikx said:

@coneye, I assume you have read (at least partially)  my responses to the OP, and will actually find that I concurred with @Powerlegsthat if the pup's issues are untreatable, that she may need to be put down. Unfortunately in this particular social climate, rehoming a 5 month old pup with issues of this nature will be difficult at best - and even moreso with no health screening to ascertain that those issues do not stem from some possibly treatable health issue.

 

I am currently petless and do not have children or have children visiting my place, and theoretically could take on the pup in question, but I'm not in a financial position to track down any possible physical issue, nor pay for behaviourist sessions/training to rectify those sort of issues. I am also getting a new puppy myself in the near future, and would prefer to have the time and resources in hand to raise him properly - not manage a possible "problem child" and raise a new puppy at the same time. I also refuse to have to be the one responsible for having to euthanaise this pup if her issues are untreatable for the long term.

 

My last TWO dogs had some undesirable issues that made them less than perfect canine citizens - and I have spent numerous YEARS coping with those, so I actually DO know what the hell I'm talking about in that respect. Both I got as pups (actually rescue fosters) and both lived to 10 and 11 years of age. Quite frankly, I'm tired of having to cope with a dog with issues, and am looking forward to my new pup from a wonderful breeder of dogs with great temperaments and great healthy lines.

 

I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this matter, but that doesn't automagically mean that YOUR opinion and "advice" is the only one that should be heard. This pup deserves at the very least to have the cause of her problems identified before being palmed off to someone else to deal with. The OP has been given some very sound advice by numerous knowledgeable people here on how to manage the situation at least in the short term while they find out if there might be a treatable physical issue with this pup that could very well sort out the problem... and if that isn't the case, then advice on talking to people even more knowledgeable about rectifying behavioural issues may be helpful. If in the end, nothing can be initiated to resolve the pup's issues, then the OP might need to suck it all up and have the pup put to sleep. There will be no adverse judgement from the people who have participated in this thread if that is the end result.

 

I apologise to my fellow regular DOLers here for losing my rag and calling you a dick @coneye... but seriously mate, you really need to tone it down some when you choose to dole out "advice" when you (and the rest of us) only have fairly limited information about the problem at hand

So  , which part of my advice has been bad ,, the only advice i have given  is get rid ,,,  forget the name calling i done calling the lady an Idiot , i have already apolagised for that numerous times ,, but  you seem to concentrate on my advice you deem bad  , whats bad about it ,,  I think we all agree whats going to happen , sooner preferably than later  the dog will be away from the child ,,, but where my focus is get rid , yours is GET HELP ,, what for , its going to cost  the lady dollars , you yourself  said that ,  and what will happen , its still not going to  be a  dog you can trust with a child . The l;ady has said its fine 99.9 % of the time freindly and just a normal pup ,  with NO ISSUES , it comes out of no where ,, i said  it will probably be fine with a vet ,  or any one else that looks at it  , BUT what about that  00.01%  when its not , this dog cannott and should not be rehomed with any familly ,    so she is just adding financial hardship  to herself to go along with   the emotional task of getting rid ,, and WHY  its a done deal already ,  .

However i did say she does not neccesarily have to put it down it could be given away , but only to an adult only home with the person being told the full story ,, told you on here before i took a 10 month  rotty and he was a big boy , the owner could'nt control him , he had bit numerous people and  he was savage ,,    difference was though he was'nt good and bad out of no where , he seen dog cat person and wanted to rip them atpart , yet i took him and within 3 months he behaved within 10-12 months he was under total control ,, BUT NEVER EVER to be trutsed ,  he had an issue the vet told me , in plain words he was just mean , but controlable  ,, this one i don;t know  because it does it  rarely  and is good the rest of the time , maybee someone such has yourself with the recources could do something with her , but theres always that 00.01%  which could be triggered in 1 maybee 2 or even 3 years .

That is why  i'm saying GET RID  , don't even bother wasting time and money  trying to find the cause , because its always going to be dangerous , wether they say it attacks because its got a problem physical or mental  or wether they say nothing wrong with it does'nt matter does it  . of course if thats the way the lady goes its not going to do the dog one bit of good , it will only be spent to ease her conscence so she can tell everyone she done what she can  waste of money  ONLY chance this dog has  and so it should be is   if an adult with no kids   few visitors   and the ability to train dogs , wants it has a companion  and takes it ,,,  and theres no need to spend thousands . . Your biggest issue seems to be because you have fostered dogs and obviously a dog lover that  this dog should be given every chance  see vets , behavourlists , and chiropractors , ect , and not just got rid of one way or the other ,, but like i said you will not take it.   would you take it if the lady spends big bucks trying to find the problem and  they can give her reasons to what sets it off ,, If you would fantastic ,, if you would'nt well i was correct ,  whats the point in her spending the money .

And thank you for your discusions its past the time , proved nothing  except that i think the lady is finally convinced it has to go , which is a good thing ,, its the last i will say on the subject  , because  the only option that has been there all along ,  is goiung to be what i said all along GET RID

Think you answered your own question , how can you train one dog  when the dog next to him goes where he wants ,,,   I know  been there ,   always had two dogs ,  , but once had a rotty  who  was good never ever messed in the house once ,  then when i brought another rescue dog , in who did'nt have the same manners it turned into a contest , did'nt help they were both males , but heh  ended up with me  having to set up a  shed and a run for them  , sort of spoiled things because for the first time ever i ended up with  what we could call outside dogs  at least until the rescue dog passed , then the rotty went back to living inside and doing OK ,,  i've found usually its the older dog will teach younger dogs manners , but in this case its going to be bad manners ,

Well I agree , with posters name calling is not good for anything , for that Belinda i ONCE AGAIN  i apolagise for  any name calling  ,  it was really born out of frustration , ,    which was caused by the fact  you have asked for help about this dog  for quite a while now , from being  unable to house train the dog through to  attacking children ,,, its a subject i am passionate about  , see above , i've witnessed it first hand  on two occasions , one was my own brother when we were kids   he was left a cripple , and another with a workmate , both mauled by savage dogs ,,  My strong messages to you  were  because   the signs are there . 

I still feel though that although  everyone is entitled to there opinion ,, being told    to try and find out reasons why its doing it  is the wrong advice ,,  who cares if the dog has a stomach ache , or it  gets startled easy   or a thryroid issue ,,  facts are its a dangerous dog ,  and the RSPCA agree with me , they will not take it .

But  you did ask for advice , you have now recieved lots of it good or bad  , its up to you now   its obvious you are attached to the dog , but its time to make a choice ,  and its your choice ,  perhaps maybee one of the other posters who i have upset will  put there money where there mouth is and take it off your hands ,, because after all  i did apolagise to you for calling you names , a few posts ago ,  so besides calling you a name which like i said i should'nt of done , there passionate rants both to me and against me , i would summize came from the fact   i was giving bad advice which all along has been  GET RID ,  .

I'm sure if its only attacking children because its  mouthy or having growth spurts   or just got belly ache  that one of these other extremly experienced people would be able to control and fix the problem , because according to them GET RID is bad advice . ,

. Good luck  with it i'm sure you will do whats best for the child not the dog , and once again i apolagise for the name calling ,, but heh ,  its brought it to   fruition now has'nt it

10 hours ago, tdierikx said:

@coneye, excuse my French, but you are a dick... you are entitled to your opinion, but it's not the only one that should be taken into consideration in this case, so it would be appreciated if you could desist in flooding the thread insisting that you are the only one who knows how to deal with said situation.

 

@belinda74- there very well may only be one eventual outcome required for your pup and her issues, but I'm sure you will be much more sure of that outcome being the right one if you know that you have at least investigated any possible physical problem causing it, yes?

 

I guarantee you that the RSPCA will most likely refuse to take on your pup, but if they do, full disclosure of her biting your child without provocation will see them putting that needle into her even before you have left the carpark after dropping her off there... and that's a cold hard fact.

 

At 5 months of age, she will be teething, and as a result will be much more mouthy than normal... but she could also have other issues relating to her teething that could be contributing to her aggression - her mouth may be sore, she may have sore ears, etc - she is also likely to be still having growth spurts that may be making her joints sore at regular intervals... and pain in an animal that can't articulate what's upsetting them can manifest in displays of aggression with seemingly no cause. A thorough vet check will at least rule those basic health/pain issues in or out.

 

@Deedshas given very sound advice regarding contacting K9 Pro if your pup doesn't appear to have any actual physical problem causing her behaviour - the trainers there are VERY experienced in rectifying such behaviours, and may be even more effective in rectifying hers as she's so young and still in full learning mode with regards to dealing with the world around her. It would be worth at least giving them a call and having a talk about what is happening with your pup.

 

Personally, I worked for some good many years in special needs dog rescue, where we took in dogs with all manner of issues that required rehbilitation before they could be rehomed - and a decent number of those cases were behaviour related. I have personally had to make the hard decisions for dogs with behaviours that simply made them too dangerous to safely rehome. I can feel your anguish at possibly having to make such a decision for your young pup... but if it becomes the logical choice for her, I fully support that choice, OK?

 

T.

Give the lady the advice she needs , the dog is a melon the dog is a mental case ,  the dog is a skitso , call it what you want  but give her the advice she needs , GET RID ,,

wHO CARES IF THE DOG HAS PHYSICAL ISSUES , THERES A BIGGER ISSUE HERE AND THATS THE SAFETY OF A child , YES A PROPER HUMAN CHILD  ... THE LADY NEEDS SENSIBLE ADVICE  .

Tell you or rather ask you all something , this is especielly for you TDIERIKZ ,,, i HAVE SAID A DOZEN TIMES GET RID BUT NOT NECCESARY  PUT HER DOWN , GIVE HER TO AN ADULT WHO CAN CONTROL AND WORK WITH DOGS ,, , now since you seem to think that this dogs issues could be  sore ears , teething ,  upset tummy ,,  thinks the childs going to take her teddy ,,  and your such an expert who believes in a 100 chances because you worked with speciel needs dogs , YOU TAKE HER  ,, you put her with your kids or grandkids , YOU take the risk of her mauling a child       you be the one who the police come to see if it ever does it   

, bet you don't , but you will call me a dick for trying to convey in the strongest possible way not to listen to idiot animal lovers who can see a dog doing no wrong  but to acknoledge she has in her house a potential killer ...

How do i know , easy , we had a weirdo animal lover with a house full of  cats and stray dogs ,, who     always made excuses    for her dogs being uncontrolable  , in the days when people would just let them out to roam , yeh she was making excuses  for her reactive nutcase GSD  that bit  lots of people , she made excuses even after the police took it away and destroyed it , AFTER it ripped my brothers arm to shreds , tore all the muscle of the bone done irriparable damage , and sentenced him to a life with  a arm that will not work .

YOU TAKE THE DOG , who knows    you may even make excuses    idf it mauls you ..

Belinda the dogs a dud just get rid of it  be be sure to be safe

I rescued one  a young girl had it and had to leave her rental , she could'nt find another rental  that would allow a dog , so i took it when i picked him up she had a baby on the floor  dog was around 9 months old  and fantastic with the baby from what i could see ,, i had him for about 2 years but after heart surgery   he was'nt getting the excercise he needed he needed to run i went for walks ,,  but great dog , i gave him too my son because  they liked each other and my son went jogging every day  and his wife went every  day at a different time , it was perfect for him he would get 2  5-6 klm jogs every day , then still run around the yard with my grandaughter all day ,  he became her best freind , slept on her bed never left her side ,  but alas  she got older went to school , made freinds ,  he still got his runs   and was /is content to be in the house ,,  , then 2 years ago along came  there next child ,   he made a beeline for the cot and stayed with the baby all the time , babies two now  and guess what , he's her new best freind there insepreble    around the back yard in the house , he now sleeps on her  bed  ,,, He's  10 now  and when he goes theres going to be broken hearts in that house ,  he  is probably the best familly dog  we have ever had  ,  although  my son had been brought up with dogs he never paid much attention to them his wife had never owned one  , so you could really say they were first time dog owners , and he has been perfect   in fact he still is ,   i was around there today , he  came up for his pat , then goes sits with or  follows the  grandaughter  ,     ,, great great dog for  a familly who excercise or on a property ,,, will be honest though  being a bit older now  , i would'nt get an heeler for myself  i don't jog anymore and there a dog that needs excercise

Bit of a double edged sword really is'nt it ,, i  bought a shepard from a breeder , and a staffy from a breeder , well other dogs has well from breeders , but i mention these two because both of them breeders  on pick up asked if they could contact me later  to see how the dogs were doing ,, i was actually pleased with that , to me it just sort of reiforced that i had chose the right dog from the right breeder they cared about there dogs ,,,,

However   i don't think i would of agreed if they demanded it , the staffy breeder did actually follow it up  but then asked me to show him and stud him ,  i said no  i was'nt interested in showing ,  and i was'nt bothered about giving him a tate then taking it away  just for a couple of dollars ,,,  she jokingly said i should of kept him he turned out the best ,, but don't think deep down she was joking LOL