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If it is as you portay, then its unacceptable. Did the Dog have any idea what it was being asked? Tony

Laeral. as Midol and Erny said I would be dealing with identifying the actual core issue first and deal with it before tying up.Its always sensible to make sure a dog walks on a loose lead before tying up as that way no Oppositional Reflex is set off. Tony

Good review Midol, well done buddy!!!I can see by the content of your posts that you have already got alot from the course.

Erny, were you conducting a lesson on using headcollars? Tony

Ojay, best to get a qualified person to asess your situation.

I would ask these Questions.

How old are the dogs now?

Have the fights always initiated after you have paid attention to Dog 2?

When out walking,how close do's another dog have to be to set off Dog 1?

What happens if you take dog 1 out by himself and he see's another dog?Do's he still react or not.{Sounds like redirected agression]

has dog 1 got any health issue's?

Have you explored leadership and pack structure? Tony

I agree totally Midol.Why create a problem when there is none!!!!I too find some obedience clubs to way off the mark with their whole approach. Tony

Quote from Midol.

Using papers like this to justify your argument is useless though. For every paper you present that claims pack structure doesn't exist I can produce one that says it does, same for dominance

I agree. Tony

whatever we see has to be taken in context. Tony

I would slim the dog down and give her plenty of outlet for drive. Tony

Ptolomy, prey drive has everything to do with it!!!I am with Dogdude totally on this one.I would much sooner throw a ball for a dog in drive than have to feed a panlicker.

Balls,tugs so on are great training tools.I use a variety of things like old firehose,tubes,rope,old wheat bags,bottles,balls and so on.

I am not a fan of tennis balls but balls such as Orbee's are great.

I throw a ball for a dog and yes the reward is coming from me.The Dog is acessing his drive through my actions, so he learns I hold the key to drive satisfaction for him.It is exactly the same principle as one of our dogs working sheep.The Dog knows he gets acess to Sheep through me.

A Ball is a great aid for lead training,changes of direction,focus and recall.

As far as dogs running off with Balls.Its up to us to be smater than the Dogs we are training.A dog running off with a ball is not a big deal.Simply work on recall and use two balls. Tony

Corvus, comparing Human behaviour to dog behaviour never works and a supposed zoologist should be well aware of this.

Jdavis, I appreciate your relevant and factual posts.

Why would a dog follow a leader?Quite simple.Survival. Tony

Kelpie-I, I am 100% with you on this one.I have knocked back people when it comes to Horses and Dogs.

Many would get themselves into a hell of a mess no matter what the breed involved.

Anybody who base's their choice basically on how "Cute" the pup is, gets my Radar going!!!Had many want to buy a Horse and a certain colour was the only consideration.That earns a knockback in my book.

Ironically one only has to look in the general section of this site to see where many are coming from.The Threads such as whats the cutest puppie and if your dog was a Human what would he do blah blah are redlights to me!!Poor old dogs have not got a lot of hope when owned by those with that type of mentality.There are many in the G.S. I would not sell a dog to. Tony

Have to agree with Steve. Tony

Thank"s Northern. Tony

Wolves are the ancestors of our dogs so of course there are many similarities and yet some differences due to domestication.

Both Wolves and Dogs are predators,both are pack animals,both have prey drive,both hunt in packs due to size of prey{ although of course if opportunity presents itself will take small prey}both are in their highest state of receptiveness, co-ordination,adaptability,awareness and wholeness when in prey drive,both of course are opportunistic and will scavenge if an opportunity arises,

Differences are the Wolves natural aversion to man,Wolves come in season once a year not twice,Wolves have a much more consistent level of drive than domestic dogs.

I have seen firsthand a classic example of wolf behaviour a number of times in domestic dogs.I have loose dogs from around town, form a pack and away they go hunting. Tony

Some options are to control him when in the lounge room, do not allow acess to the lounge.

Your right its a big game to him and your going to have to stop playing.Its learnt behaviour and even though you cease the play, he will not immeditately do so.

If he do's manage to grab a pillow, I would use something that he has more of an attraction to as a distraction to the pillow.

With dogs its always best not to start unwanted behaviours in the first place.

I would use two balls to teach him the meaning of out,so if he do's grab something getting release is easy.

where did it come from? Tony

The best I find is a cheap little jar of nappy rash creme from the Chemist.Only about 3.50 and works wonders. Tony

Secret,your dog has answered the question for you.Note his reaction to the Headcollar.I would seek out a source of knowledge that can teach you and the dog the basic's of walking on a flat collar.Tony

Reality,what best motivates the Dog?Second question that we all need to ask ourselves when dealing with anything is where are you coming from mentally and emotionally? Tony

Not every pup do's this and its certainly not desirable behaviour.I would look at the dog's diet,is the dog bored?how much space do's the dog have?

Yes Pineapple do's seem to work. This behaviour can also be learnt behaviour. Tony

I would like to do a comparison between headcollars and haltis and see which one's burn on the fire the quickest!!Sad to see people using a gadget that is specie's innappropriate and no subsitute for proper training. Tony

Thanks everybody for the replies.I too hope rain falls on all danger areas.

Your right Erny a fire is an horrific event.Some years back now a Clown on a total fireban day started a fire with a spark from a D9.The wind was up and before we even knew there was a fire, it was into our place.Hectic racing and mustering trying to save stock.We lost nearly everything but luckily not the House.Very very close though as all the paint on the House walls blistered off due to the heat. Tony

Erny and Kelpie-I we will have to agree to disagree. Tony

Bit off topic probably.The Red Steer is a bush expression for fire.

I hope all who visit this section are in no danger of the Fires burning at the moment.May everybody and their livestock be safe and well.

Tony

Well said Jeff!!!You hit the nail on the head!!!!I really wonder about the purely positive mob!!!Nature provides us with great lessons.A Pack of dogs in the wild do not operate on a purely positive basis.So if the Dogs have woken up it do's not work when will the PPM? Tony