oze50 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Hi All, I am unable to castrate my boy as he is still in the show ring, I don't want to do the Chemical Castration either, does anybody know of some medication that would take away his 'pain in the bum' obsession with the girls!!!! Whenever any of the girs is in season he is pathetic for the whole time of the season, the other boys only get over the top on those few 'danger days'. He isn't a puppy anymore 5 years old in fact I've got two girls due in soon. Can't wait till he retires, sooooo sick of the piddling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) Is there any reason you dont want to chemically castrate him? Edited August 4, 2008 by GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oze50 Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 Is there any reason you dont want to chemically castrate him? Just a bit worried about the shrinkage factor in his 'boys' he isn't that well endowed to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysup Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Put your bitches onto Chlorophyll liquid. I am not sure on dosage, but if they get it a few weeks before each season, its meant to substantially reduce their 'odour' for the boys. I too have an idiot of a male, 5 years old too! If I new I wouldnt want to breed with him, I would get him the snip too LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 As long as he will still be able to breed after you reverse the chemical castration what does it matter if his testicles shrink hwile on it. Talk to some breeders who have done chemical castration and see what they think. It would be easier to control his behaviour thAN MONITOR AND ALTER MULTIPLE FEMALES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 As long as he will still be able to breed after you reverse the chemical castration what does it matter if his testicles shrink hwile on it. Because this is not appropriate for the show ring - it is the chemical alteration of a dog being exhibited, which is not allowed by the canine associations. The dog could only be shown once the implant had worn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oze50 Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 As long as he will still be able to breed after you reverse the chemical castration what does it matter if his testicles shrink hwile on it. Because this is not appropriate for the show ring - it is the chemical alteration of a dog being exhibited, which is not allowed by the canine associations. The dog could only be shown once the implant had worn off. I do find it frustrating about the attitudes to the chemical castration of the males, I am positive there are many desexed bitches in the show ring, there is a bitch being shown in my own breed who has to have been desexed, I have her half brother and although he has a huge coat hers is even bigger, the biggest coat I have seen in our particular breed, male or female!!! I will not be using my boy in my breeding program, there are plenty with his lines behind them so no need to use him, he is just a lovely boy to show and I don't want to stop doing that yet. If only there was a pill to stop his idiotic behaviour, other than drugging him to the eyeballs with tranquilisers (won't try that again!). He is pathetic for the whole season, I have tried so many different ways to keep him calm and happy but he is totally focussed on the girls and you cannot divert his interest. Can't send him somewhere for a 'holiday' or the girls either so I am stuck. I did try the tranquilisers once, that was a disaster in the sense that he blew his coat from the stress of it all. So I am stuck, I might try a visit to a reproductive specialist, if they can give drugs to get the boys excited, maybe something will stop his obsession with the ladies lol. If anybody wants to know if their girls are coming in they just give my dopey boy a sniff and he can tell straight away I don't want to start any contraversy but do feel that it should be allowable to do the chemical castration, if it is obvious the dog has the required equipment then I don't see the problem in exhibiting a dog chemically altered to make life easier for owners with girls coming into season. Especially since the dog can come back perfectly able to reproduce when the drug wears off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oze50 Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Put your bitches onto Chlorophyll liquid. I am not sure on dosage, but if they get it a few weeks before each season, its meant to substantially reduce their 'odour' for the boys.I too have an idiot of a male, 5 years old too! If I new I wouldnt want to breed with him, I would get him the snip too LOL Where can I get the Chlorophyll liquid from? Unfortunately I have two baby girls who will come into their first season in a matter of months but am unsure just when. I will definately use that when they have sorted their seasons out though. Thanks for the information, fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Is there anyone you can place him with while the girls are in season? Maybe you could do a recipricol arrangement with another breeder or dog owner? How about kennelling him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Do you separate your dog from the bitch? I keep mine together and crate them in the same room, I find that it helps a lot as my males only get hysterical when they can't see the bitch. Of course they still get excited and go off their food, but the howling and whinging and desperate behaviour that's exhibited when the bitch is taken away is greatly reduced. You cannot show a dog who has been chemically castrated so there isn't much you can do but put up with it. Also anyone who chemically castrates their dog should be aware that the manufacturers of Suprelorin recommend that you freeze some semen for future use if you intend breeding from your dog as they cannot guarantee that every dog will regain its fertility. The vast majority of dogs will be become fertile again within a few months, but there have been cases where it's taken over a year and a few dogs may remain infertile or suffer reduced fertility for life. I have recently had a big discussion with my repro vets regarding chemical castration and these are their comments not my opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I would like to know what studies have been done as to the sperm quality after the implant - provided a dog returns to full fertility, what guarantee is there that the actual manufacturing process has not been slightly impaired? Motility? DNA intact? I keep my girls where the boys can see them and know that no-one else is getting to them. If there is a big show coming up and I have a boy entered that will drop weight, the bitch is kennelled off the property with friends. Some old time breeders recommend doing semen collections every 6 mths from boys that get highly stimulated by bitches in season to protect their prostates from problems. Basically similar to recommendations to men - regular "activity" is good prostate protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 As long as he will still be able to breed after you reverse the chemical castration what does it matter if his testicles shrink hwile on it. Because this is not appropriate for the show ring - it is the chemical alteration of a dog being exhibited, which is not allowed by the canine associations. The dog could only be shown once the implant had worn off. I didnt realise sorry. my bad! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Trip Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I would like to know what studies have been done as to the sperm quality after the implant - provided a dog returns to full fertility, what guarantee is there that the actual manufacturing process has not been slightly impaired? Motility? DNA intact?I keep my girls where the boys can see them and know that no-one else is getting to them. If there is a big show coming up and I have a boy entered that will drop weight, the bitch is kennelled off the property with friends. Some good advice there. Personally I would not implant any dog destined for future breeding. The less total chemical exposure and/or hormone manipulation they have the better IMO. Some old time breeders recommend doing semen collections every 6 mths from boys that get highly stimulated by bitches in season to protect their prostates from problems. Basically similar to recommendations to men - regular "activity" is good prostate protection. You could always buy some copies of National Dog and give him some privacy. :p :D Ahem, sorry! not much help to offer. :p It seems some boys are just much bigger pains than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 You could always buy some copies of National Dog and give him some privacy. :p :D :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysup Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Chlorophyll - should be able to get that from the health food shop. I have seen it in capsule form in Coles, some time ago though. Definately health food section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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