Zhou Xuanyao Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 For example, a dear friend of mine has been an electricity meter reader for 25 years - i would guarantee he would have had the most experience with dogs of anyone you could meet. His conclusions are the ones you have to watch are Border Collies, Cattledogs, Kelpies, then Malamutes, APBT and crossbred dogs. Thats a riot. The bloke has no clue mate you can say what he think he knows as much as you like, what a joke ! Maybe he should write a book. Hey im a meter reader and dog expert and by that authority these are the worst breeds from 1 to 10 My point in saying that is they ARE a guardian breed, No thier not Some APBT's will guard, but on the whole APBT is not a breed to put your money on if your in the market for a guard dog, your more than likely to end up dissapointed. These dogs need to be very very well socialised, well fenced because they are great jumpers, they do need to be protected from themselves. APBT's are not a difficult breed. On a whole they are easy to train, intelligent and biddable. They benifit from training, general responsible ownership and so forth this is necessary for all dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 (edited) I agree witl everything "Lo Pan" says. They are not a guardian breed. More a companion breed. As a breed they do not guard well at all. They are most likely to say "C'mon in". Unless the prospective burglar has a dog. lol Temprement tests consistantly rank them highly. They are very trainable. They are up around Border Collie level in intelligence. The only fault within some of the breed is that it is prudent of an owner to be careful when meeting strange dogs. If a dog says yes to a fight then the Pitty, Amstaff will win. They are absolutely fine within their group though. Much like a (working bred) Cattle Dog in that respect, probably more predictable though. IMHO they are more child friendly than any other breed. I would have no hesitation in recommending an APBT or AmStaff to a young family, youngest being 6. Edited November 7, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I'm wondering, really, how long has the Pit Bull really been banned from importation to Australia? There is a website i regularly visit that advertises APBT pups for sale with American papers - how totally irresponsible is that? i mean, for starters aren't all APBT in Australia supposed to be desexed in accordance to legislation? and further open promotion blatantly flaunting ownership, profit from and breeding - isn't this just hurting the antiBSL cause? American papers.. What sort?? They could be duel registered in America as American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers. Then they are quite legal in Australia to import, to own and to breed. If they are registered with the AKC as an AmStaff then they would have an ANKC recognised pedigree. Therefore legal. We see a dual registered entire AmStaff/APBT and his pups quite regularly. I think she means ABDA papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 there are tons of registries, you can register your apbt with, in the interest of keeping peds ect. obviously the apbt, is not a recignised breed by any aussie kennel clubs ect , but alot of people are interested in the ped of their dogs regardless of whether they are house dogs or hunters, or working dogs. i am against the dual registering thing that the ukc and akc are doing its creating a different "type" when it comes to the dogs looks. if you compare an adba reg dog to a ukc dog and then a akc dog , they all vary alot in looks. i am also against it because there are people who own dual reg dogs so they can own a legal pitbull, and that is the loophole they use, i feel that this is a headway to getting the american staff banned in australia aswell. the last thing we need is another dog added to a list as stupid as the one we allready have. take into account that the only dog on the list in this country that exists is the apbt. and i cant stand for the amstaff owners/breeders but the last thing they need is a spotlight drawn them because their dog is classed as a "show pitbull" sure they have a similar history but that was along time ago they are and should be seperate breeds. these kinds of breeding will also contribute to eventually bringing the fad breeding of "american bullies" the biggest fad dog in america at the moment. i think this would create even more confusion to an already confusing situation on the general publics behalf. funny thing is ive never met a vet that doesnt welcome a apbt or a staff into their workplace. they are simply the most reliable steady temped dogs when it comes to not biting people. [u]what makes me wonder is, what the hell do the owners of the attacking pitbulls do to their dogs to make them so people agressive? i honestly dont think i could make my pitbull that way with any thing short of torturing her.[/u] Could be selective breeding? High drive dog thats lived on a chain its whole life and never seen the outside world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Theres a guy near me who breeds amstaffs that he uses for pig hunting, pedigreed. He posts on ozziedoggers and is pretty well known as most amstaff breeders just breed for showdogs or to place in pet homes..I dont see much difference between an amstaff and a pit bull, people crap on aboput pitbulls being bred to be gladiators so dont make good hunting dogs, well select for what you get and you will eventually get it. its also written about in the AST breed extention as a traditional use. Ofcourse you can get there one day, one day. But any serious pigger would look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 I agree witl everything "Lo Pan" says. They are not a guardian breed. More a companion breed. As a breed they do not guard well at all. They are most likely to say "C'mon in". Unless the prospective burglar has a dog. lol Temprement tests consistantly rank them highly. They are very trainable. They are up around Border Collie level in intelligence. The only fault within some of the breed is that it is prudent of an owner to be careful when meeting strange dogs. If a dog says yes to a fight then the Pitty, Amstaff will win. They are absolutely fine within their group though. Much like a (working bred) Cattle Dog in that respect, probably more predictable though. IMHO they are more child friendly than any other breed. I would have no hesitation in recommending an APBT or AmStaff to a young family, youngest being 6. they can be child friendly. like many other breeds can. But would not recommend to someone who doesnt understand the dogs because they arent for everyone and thats the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 they can be child friendly. like many other breeds can. But would not recommend to someone who doesnt understand the dogs because they arent for everyone and thats the truth. Not for everyone, that's true. Just as a Border Collie, Lab, Rotti, Chi or Pom, etc have their place. My point is: they are more likely to be child/family friendly than most breeds, it's just the way they are. That's the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 they can be child friendly. like many other breeds can. But would not recommend to someone who doesnt understand the dogs because they arent for everyone and thats the truth. Not for everyone, that's true. Just as a Border Collie, Lab, Rotti, Chi or Pom, etc have their place. My point is: they are more likely to be child/family friendly than most breeds, it's just the way they are. That's the truth Child friendly, yes. For your average family,no. Mixing up working dogs and family dogs is a common cause of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 (edited) Child friendly, yes. For your average family,no. Why no? Apart from being careful with the APBT Amstaff Staffy around strange dogs, they have no issues. They do suit many average families. Edited November 8, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjc Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Amy , i live in brisbane, but due to the laws in qld, my dog is in south australia, my home state. i had a choice to bring her or leave her and as i have done the right thing in regards to following restrictions ect in sa, i thought it would be reversing all my hard work to break the laws when moving to qld. it wasnt a decision that was taken lightly but was the right thing to do, my apbt is living with my two best friends who are both miners, so because they are on alternate shifts she has someone with her pretty much twenty four hours a day, which im sure she loves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Child friendly, yes. For your average family,no. Why no? Apart from being careful with the APBT Amstaff Staffy around strange dogs, they have no issues. They do suit many average families. I wouldn't recommend your 'average family' a dog at all. let alone an Apbt. They arent suitable for novices and for people who dont understand the breed. Who dont understand that they will attack other animals big or small, they are hard to get off when they do , they do need a firm hand, they do need alot of exercise and stimulation, they are very strong so can't be walked by kids, they are very athletic and can jump or bite through fencing. If they are such suitable family pets, how many old Apbts have you seen or even heard of? I would not recommend them to your average family for the same reasons I would not recommend Filas, Dogos, Presas, cane corsos, boerboels. Their drive, strength, temperament, instincts etc just arent understood by your average family. Why not recommend an easier dog for the average family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tybrax Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Why not recommend an easier dog for the average family? What's an easier dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olestony Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I dont think it all matters much to tell the truth, hell it was said for eons people move on to other breeds when it gets hard, you all know the SBT is the new Game-breed dog of choice in countries with APBT BSL dont you? Inc AU and NZ? Game SBT's get massive stud fees and advertisements. Just like game APBT's do. Pics of chained tooth baring APBT and conditioned APBT are no different to those you will find of the SBT, It hasnt anything to do with creating images of fear, its a glimpse into the life these poor sods are leading. Example, This is Tug a SBT well known to those who know the Staffords well, the image seen is no different to pics of APBT that one may find, its just a snapshot of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Who dont understand that they will attack other animals big or small, they are hard to get off when they do , they do need a firm hand, they do need alot of exercise and stimulation, they are very strong so can't be walked by kids, they are very athletic and can jump or bite through fencing. "They", as a breed, will not attack other animals big or small, This is complete garbage !!! My dog does not attack other animals and does not want to fight other dogs large or small. If you think all Pitbulls will attack other animals then I think you need to worry more about upping your experience and lessening your posting on the subject. All dogs more or less need a firm hand in my view. APBT's are not a difficult breed on the whole this is false. Most dogs will strain the lead if you let them, the idea is to have the dog trained to walk beside the handler on a slack lead, how much strength the dog or the handler has is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Why not recommend an easier dog for the average family? What's an easier dog? Tosa Inu, BoearBoel, Presa, Fila, Dogo, Cane Corso, Kangal, Bully Kutta, Dosa Inu, Caucasian Ovcharka, Central Asia Shepherd Dog , They all are suitable for the average family. What we need is more dogs like these recommded to familys, especially in the suburbs. As nanny dogs, kids playmates, etcc every household needs one of them because they are so easy to take care of and handle and no experience necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Who dont understand that they will attack other animals big or small, they are hard to get off when they do , they do need a firm hand, they do need alot of exercise and stimulation, they are very strong so can't be walked by kids, they are very athletic and can jump or bite through fencing. "They", as a breed, will not attack other animals big or small, This is complete garbage !!! My dog does not attack other animals and does not want to fight other dogs large or small. If you think all Pitbulls will attack other animals then I think you need to worry more about upping your experience and lessening your posting on the subject. All dogs more or less need a firm hand in my view. APBT's are not a difficult breed on the whole this is false. Most dogs will strain the lead if you let them, the idea is to have the dog trained to walk beside the handler on a slack lead, how much strength the dog or the handler has is irrelevant. I don't know where you got your dog from. But if it has no prey drive at all, maybe you should "up" your experience by meeting more Apbts. Strength and prey drive does matter when training to walk well on lead. A dog bred with a strong drive and is physically strong will be harder to train and handle to walk well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Mate, go get a clue start there. My dogs got plenty of drive its how you focus it that counts. As for strength this is totally irrelevant to training and walking well on leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) Strength and prey drive does matter when training to walk well on lead. A dog bred with a strong drive and is physically strong will be harder to train and handle to walk well. Utter rubbish!! No harder than any other breed. Loose lead walking is no harder than any other breed of a similar size. Ask anyone who has done obedience with one. Size and strength have little to nothing to do with walking a dog properly. Of course I would recommend puppy pre-school and beginner obedience classes to new owners. As I would for any breed to any family. Edited November 9, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Strength and prey drive does matter when training to walk well on lead. A dog bred with a strong drive and is physically strong will be harder to train and handle to walk well. Utter rubbish!! No harder than any other breed. Loose lead walking is no harder than any other breed of a similar size. Ask anyone who has done obedience with one. Loose leash until it sees another dog. try training an apbt to not react to other dogs. gurentee it will be harder to do than say a lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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