shortstep Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Sorry I do not have a link. I just read that in the Irish kennel club, the Irish Red and white setter in Ireland will now have it's stud book open for outcrossing, due to low numbers and high inbreeding levels. They stated that Irish born Irish red setters will be allowed to be used to increase genetic diversity in an effort to save the breed. I hope I repeated all that correctly, if not please correct as needed. Edited April 19, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Interesting, and sounds like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochmad Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I too find that interesting. Good that they are going to save the breed - I think they are stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_meg Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the red and the red and white, the same breed originally. sounds like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Girl Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 thats correct Pixie, origionally they were all red and white, the first red one was a fault, but people liked the appearance and eventually it became more popular than the original colour, so its a great idea to cross breed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Like the dalmatian backcross project, this has apparently got a segment of the IRWS community up in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 thats correct Pixie, origionally they were all red and white, the first red one was a fault, but people liked the appearance and eventually it became more popular than the original colour, so its a great idea to cross breed them. They were indeed and I am very glad that they are trying to get those genes back again. Souff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 International Outcross Programme for Irish Red Setters & Irish Red & White Setters INTERNATIONAL OUTCROSS PROGRAMME FOR IRISH RED SETTERS & IRISH RED & WHITE SETTERS It is envisaged that any Irish Red Setter or Irish Red & White Setter from an FCI Country and a National Kennel Club which the IKC approves of could be used in this programme. The reason the club suggests that this programme be confined to FCI countries or such National Kennel Club is that agreement in regards to an Outcross Programme would have to be a binding document. As this is an International Outcross Programme the Irish Red & White Setter Club recommends that this would be run with the co-operation of the Irish Red Setter Club and the National Kennel Club of that Country, the Irish Kennel Club and the Irish Red & White Setter Club. A formal agreement between the two participating Kennel Clubs. Rules & Regulations for an International Outcross Programme. All Irish Red Setters and Irish Red & White Setters, which are proposed to be included in this Outcross Programme would have to be approved by the Outcross Committee. All Irish Red Setters included in this programme would have to have the appropriate health certificates in regards to Canine Leucocyte Adhesion Deficiency, CLAD and a Hip Dysplasia certificate. All Irish Red & White Setters would require the same certificates plus a certificate in regards to being von Willebrands free. In regards to testing Irish Red & White Setters for von Willebrands disease, CLAD & Hip Dysplasia the Irish Kennel Club will recommend a Veterinary Surgeon approved by them to carry out this procedure. The details of all the dogs’ pedigrees, health certificates and all other relevant documents must be presented to the committee four months prior to any mating. Any deviation on this matter must have the approval of the committee. The Irish Red & White Setter Club is aware that some ‘Irish Red Setters FDSB’ were imported from America and were mated with Irish Red Setters in Europe . This American Red Setter breeding is not recognised by the American Kennel Club as Irish Red Setters or by the Irish Kennel Club and the Irish Red Setter Club is totally opposed to having dogs with such breeding being introduced to the Irish Red Setter gene pool. We are aware that these dogs were crossed with English Setters in the past. Under no circumstances can any dog with such pedigrees be used in any part of the Outcross Programme. The Irish Red & White Setter Club proposes that all dogs participating in the Outcross Programme would be micro-chipped for identification. It is also proposed that any resulting pups may be DNA tested at the request of the Outcross Committee. This would have to be part of any signed agreement entered into by all participants in the Outcross Programme. Registration of Resulting Pups from Outcross. We would propose that any Irish Red & White Setter bitch from Ireland , which is mated to an Irish Red Setter outside Ireland or inseminated with imported semen, could have the litter here in Ireland and the resulting pups would be registered by the Irish Kennel Club as Irish Red & White Setters. This would be of great help to the breed as we would not have to wait at least ten months to have the pups rabies vaccinated etc before they could be imported here to Ireland to have them registered under the reciprocal registration agreement between FCI countries. If there are no pups with red and white markings the club would propose that some of the pups could be registered as ‘Irish Red & White Setter - mismarked red’. These dogs will be micro-chipped and recorded by the Irish Kennel Club. The breeder has up to two years to assess the dog for breed type/working ability and within that time may decide to have the dog registered as an Irish Red & White Setter-mismarked red. This would only be allowed in the first generation of the outcross to ensure that the new bloodline can be included in the Irish Red & White Setter gene pool. These dogs may not be exhibited at shows but will be allowed to enter a Confined Breed Stake field trial. The Irish Red & White Club endorses the proposal that a Canine Geneticist be appointed so they can report on the genetic diversity of the breed. They should produce a yearly report on how the breed is progressing in regards to this matter. They could also inform the committee when they feel there is no further need for an outcross programme based on scientific fact. We also feel that the Geneticist should have an understanding of the culture of breeding pedigree dogs. I the under signed agree to bound by the above rules governing this programme. http://ikc.ie/index.php?option=com_content...0&Itemid=58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I believe a fair whack of the IRWS are working dogs in Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I believe a fair whack of the IRWS are working dogs in Ireland. From what I have been reading that is very true. That has to do with the FCI only kennel clubs, as there are not a lot of working setters (either type) except for some pockets of populations in a few FCI countries. It seams they want to consentrate on the working side of the breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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