Keshwar
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Just came across this site.
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If you go BIS you should be required to submit your breed score, ditto BIG !
Why?
Surely the breed score is irrelevant if you get BIS or BIG as you will have beaten the best of each breed for in Group or the best of each group for in Show. At that point it doesn't really matter if you have beaten 0 dogs or 20 dogs in breed competition.
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I'm not sure if anyone will find this relevant , but this article is making the point that even obedience trained, show dogs can have behavioural issues/ problems.
Read through this article and I found it difficult to infer anything much from the data. No efforts are made to define "formal obedience training" - I have certainly seen plenty of people show up to 1-2 obedience sessions and then never come back and in my mind at least this is quite different from the people like myself who engage in formal training twice every week.
I also am not sure of relevance and validity because I think the greater issue here would be dogs not having contact with the outside world and reduced interactions with their owners. I certainly take my dog with me on errands and feel that this has actually been a part of the socialization process. I think in this instance people are worried that these ex show dogs have not accompanied their owners anywhere beyond the show ring - hence the phenomen of "seeing the world for the first time" when rehomed.
I would like to reply to you.
About show dogs seeing the world for the first time as it may give many of you an insight to the way many of our Show Dogs lead their lives.
Soon after the puppies are born we as breeders are looking for that RIGHT puppy to keep for ourselves and show.
Many people may handle the pup as many other breeders may be invited to stack and give their opinion on the puppy. This will mean many people will be handling the pup. This selected pup will then be shown. This pup may possibly taken to show training where it will be handled by others and also get use to other dogs.
Then off to the show where the dog will be crated or kept in a trolley or X pen. When it is called for its class it will be in an assembly are with other handlers and other dog's. It's number may be called by an assembly steward then passed onto the ring steward then passed onto being examined by the judge. If the pup is lucky and wins it may be sometimes passed onto another judge who may do the Group specials and if this pups wins at group level it will be passed onto the judge for Show specials. This pup has had all this exposure to all these people and don't forget this pup may be entered for a show the next day, so the process starts all over again.
When the show season is in full swing we may get clusters of shows that last for days some over 10 days and don't forget many of these shows consist of Agricultural Show and we the dog people can often get stuck near side show ally. Just imagine all the show patrons and sights the dogs are exposed to.
If you live on the Eastern seaboard may even travel you dogs to the major Royal shows, just think of the exposure the dogs get there plus the travelling weather it be in the car, the trailer or by air and don't forget the ship if you are travelling to Tasmania to do the shows there. Our show dog’s are usually very well socialised dogs. I am stating to wonder if we the reader's and posters are talking about two totally different aspects of re homing. The genuine breeder rehoming or a BYB dumping one they don't want. Their is a big difference as I would want mine to go to a very loving and caring home and may put restriction as to where that dog may go. Until "I" find the right home they stay with me. :)
:clap: To me it seems that a lot of non-show people have very little idea of the lives of most show dogs.
My dogs are show dogs for 2-3 days a week, the rest of the time they are pets. They do things that most dogs do with their humans. Plus all of the above which most family pets aren't exposed too.
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Similar video with slightly larger dogs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGc1OYRfrU&feature=g-like&context=G258bb0fALTwy_CAAeAA
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I'll get the ball rolling.
One thing I would like to see recognised is class in group/show wins recognised.
Currently they are recognised in the Rising star competition but not once the dog has moved on to Intermediate and above.
I think class in Group/show is an achievement.
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So as not to clutter up the pointscore 2012 discussions I thought I would start a new topic for ideas, changes suggestions for the 2013 pointscore.
This should give Troy and his team heaps of time to evaluate the ideas and perhaps incorporate them in next years pointscore.
Lets try to keep this constructive and positive.
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IME most people start out with a baby puppy and work their way up through the classes.
As far as I'm aware there aren't many baby puppy grand champions.
Most people aren't going to compete against a grand or even a champion until the hit junior or intermediate, that's giving most people at least a year to improve their handling skills, their grooming skills and enough time to work out if their puppy is indeed competitive against the breed standard.
It is very rare for anyone starting out to get a top winning dog straight off the bat. But you work with what you have and try to improve your skills. Eventually you will be able to buy/lease that great grand/supreme dog. Just don't expect it to be given to you on a plate from the get go.
It seems to me that some people want to come into a new hobby and start winning big immediately. The point I was trying to make above was that it doesn't happen in other sports so why should people expect it in dog showing.
NOTE:"you" in the above is a generic you and is not aimed at any one individual.
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I agree that it can help the declining numbers of dogs already in the ring, but I can't help that think that it may further discourage newcomers who cannot beat the existing dogs. And before people say that they should start with a good dog, that a good dog will beat a Grand Champ etc, even the most determined exhibitor with a nice dog might not be able to beat a grand champ. No matter what anyone says, it is difficult for a new exhibitor to lose time after time against the same dogs/people.
I don't understand this attitude, in which other sport/hobby does someone starting out expect to beat more experienced participants?
It would be like me starting out swimming and expect to beat Thorpie, or me start to play rugby and go straight into the All Blacks starting line up.
I know when I first started showing I wasn't expecting to take out BOB at every show I was happy to get around the ring with my dog looking reasonable. But maybe that's just me and other people start something and expect to win big first out.
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We are frequent hydrobath users, showing Standard Poodles means bathing before and after shows and weekly maintainance baths when not showing. We also have a few grooming clients, mostly Poodles.
Our ideal hydrobath -
Large with doors at both ends, some big dogs and older arthritic dogs can have trouble turning around and the walk-through option is good.
Cut-out on the large side is easier on the groomers back.
Heated, being water conscious, we save the rinsing water and reheat to bath another dog. Single tank is fine.
Pump needs to be powerful and easily accessible for maintainence.
Long flexible hose and big shower attachment.
Easy to clean filter.
Something secure to tie a dog lead on for jumpers (never leave a dog unattended, some dogs just continually try and get out and it's a struggle to bath them)
Built in shelf for shampoo bottles.
Material- we have a fibre glass and a plastic hydrobath, not a lot of difference.
Must be easily moved on good castors.
Colour - purple would be nice!
This!
Having Afghan Hounds and an Irish wolfhound same things apply. The powerful pump is so important to get the coat wet all the way through.
Although I'm not that worried about the colour.
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Another plus for Ag shows is they are great places for socializing young dogs. I always try to take my guys through Side Show Alley to get them used to weird noises. And with my breeds we always get loads of attention from the public.
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4 words!
Afghan Hound Obedience Trials.
Enuff said!
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ETA as for getting a 25 point Challenge would have to move overseas to have any hope of that.
If a dog can't ever win a 25 point challenge or a 25 point group in it's entire show life I don't consider it worthy of Ch status.
Just my opinion.
I think the point people are trying to make is that for many if not most breeds it would be impossible to get a 25 point challenge outside of a speciality. And as has been regularly pointed out not all breeds have breed specialities.
In the three breeds I'm involved in it would be a rare event to see a breed line up of 19+ at an all-breeds show.
Unfortunately the days are long gone when there used to be a Judge just for the Afghans.
And to clarify your original post only mentioned a 25 point challenge with no mention of BIG.
IMO, The requirements apparently just dumped for the awarding of the GCh title were a breath of fresh air.The requirements for Ch awards should have been a modification of that.
Two 25 point challenges to be gained before Qualifying for the title of Aust Ch for e.g.
Your challenge points would still count but being titled would require more credibility.
It is probably harder for a ''popular'' breed to be titled due to the amount of competition.
The rewards are greater for sure, but much harder to come by.
Consider a previous topic where it is possible for a r/u BIS to finish in front of a 1000 dogs for no reward & yet some go home with 6 points just for being there?
Ridiculous.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion. ;)
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Hi all
Was just wondering if someone could point me in the direction of where I can find out about how points are obtained in conformation shows, or if you have a sec, tell me how it all works here?
I'm new the show scene and just want to know how the system works. What do the dogs have to win to obtain points? How you go about "collecting" them? etc.... Nice simple terms would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 
Go to the FAQ in the pinned section of this forum http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/163330-show-ring-f-a-q/ and you will find it all explained
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I keep reading about how the ANKC, State CCs, Breed clubs, etc should be doing more to promote pure bred dogs and showing.
What I want to know is what are you doing to promote Showing, your breed, or help newbies?
How many people in the Show Ring Forum are active members of their breed clubs - if you have one - or of a group or all breeds club?
How many people here go out of their way to make newbies welcome?
It seems to me from a number of the complaints and comments about declining numbers etc that a lot of people are ready to complain and expect "The Club" or the ANKC to fix the problem but aren't prepared to do anything them selves.
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We have Afghan Hounds, Salukis and an Irish Wolfhound.
Have a mix of dogs and bitches. All entire except for my older Afghan Hound.
Have had some issues but have worked through them.
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Found this on the ANKC website.
Member stats from 1995 - 2010
While there has been a decrease in membership I would suggest in recent years it hasn't been as much as people think.
Another interesting document is registration stats for the same period.
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A RESTAURANT in southern China that found itself at the centre of outrage for selling "koala meat" claims it was in fact selling a type of rat that bears a resemblance to the drowsy marsupial.
An Australian tourist visiting a restaurant in Guangzhou's Panyu district told a radio station 3aw that diners were able to select a live koala from a cage and could choose whether they wanted it "braised" or "stewed".
Distressed by the scene, the traveller snapped a photo of what appeared to be the iconic animal, bent forward and facing downward in a cage, with only a carrot given as food.
But the general manager of the restaurant denied that the animal was a koala, the Xinhua news agency reported.
"The Australian tourist was actually the victim of a false alarm, as the restaurant never sells koala," the manager said.
Another manager at the restaurant clarified that the animal was a bamboo rat.
The Chinese bamboo rat is found in southern parts of the country and is commonly sold in food markets.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/chinese-koala-meat-was-actually-rat-restaurant-claims/story-e6frfq80-1226191084241#ixzz1dGjHcpa6
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I think the "beware of the dog" sign = dangerous dog sign is a myth.
Especially as all the specific law about containing dangerous dogs or restricted breeds - requires the "dangerous dog" sign, not "beware the dog"
To me "beware" is short for "be aware" ie "be alert not alarmed".
My mum has one on her gate - and it stops most people who don't know her. People who do know her are very surprised to occasionally encounter one of the visiting grand furkids.
If anyone can find any link to any law case that found someone guilty of something bad for having "beware the dog" on the gate - I'd like to see it.
It's bad when law enforcement people perpetrate the myth but if you ask them how they know that - you're likely to get some back pedaling.
I've been asking this same question every time this topic comes up for a while now.
Still haven't had any takers.
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Cool - will let you know :D
Thanks.
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I will get my OH to check - he gets the paper into work every day :D . There was also a photographer from the Riverina something or other who took photos of Campbell with the Fauves - was it definitely the Border Mail photographer?
Yup he said the Border mail.
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Can any of the Holbrook/Albury people check the Border Mail for me?
There photographer took some photos of Lochie and I on Saturday at the show and I was wondering if they where published.
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Keshwar is my kennel prefix.
Keshwar comes from - Meena Keshwar Kamal (Pashto/Persian: مینا کشور کمال), commonly known as Meena, (February 27, 1956 – February 4, 1987) was an Afghan feminist, women's rights activist and founder of RAWA, who was assassinated in 1987.
More info on wikipedia
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I find it odd that a man would have dogs like Cavoodles and Maltese type dogs.
I find it odd that a man would have dogs like Cavoodles and Maltese type dogs.
Why?
Plenty of men have little fluffy dogs :D
i've rarely seen it. i've seen the girlfriend or the wives have the fluffy dog but never the man. i have a fluffy dog and most mens opinion of her is i should have gotten a real dog and not a yappy rat.
Don't talk like that infront of my 6'3" truckdriver husband with his much loved Shih tzu (and I have the big dog!)
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:wave: :wave: :wave: A wave each for the 2 guest and 5 anonymous users watching this.
I wonder if one of those anonymous users is Corvus?
Lake George And Wamboin District Kc - Nsw
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RUIS Gibson's Beagle
Junior in Show Irish Setter.
Group 4 Results.
Baby puppy Beagle
Minor whippet also RUBIG
Puppy Afghan
Junior my Wolfhond :)
Inter Elkhound
Aust bred ?
Open Beagle