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So very sorry, please take care of yourself and family. You must all be in terrible shock. RIP beautiful little man.

Is everyone choosing to ignore this comment To me this comment explains Chewy's reaction to the OP's frightening situation Why, we should feel bad cause Chewy feels guilty :rolleyes: It could have been thrown in to get the heat off her for her very insightful comments. If I was Super Rebanne I too could have saved someone, a 3 year old child, but I am just an ordinary person. No one is asking anyone to feel bad. Everyone has a different priority list and that is fine. I should not have brought my own incident in to the thread, but it sure as shit was not mentioned to throw the weight off. Due to the huge amount of people I know in person on this forum, it would be rather stupid of me to pull a shifty with a guilt provoking comment such as death. Unfortunately I sprouted my mouth off and have been quoted. Self control is one thing that unfortunately dissipates when it comes to threads like this. To the OP, I am apologising to you for questioning your actions.

Um, the OP? She said her Mum wasn't strong enough to restrain the dogs. Why is she walking a dog in public then?

Super Chewy to the rescue. You want the weaker person to wade into the middle of a dog fight and save the baby. :p Who's rescuing the old man - or doesn't he rate on your priorities? Who said the OP's mum was weak? Obviously you would attend to the old man when the baby was off the ground. It should not take 2 people to walk 2 dogs to safety. Whilst a baby is on the ground in a deadly situation? No Super Chewys in this town, if there was, a dead friend would still be alive today.

There were 2 people, there was no suggestion the dogs should go over to the incident. A screaming baby face down on the path with possible head injuries IMO is urgent. Dogs in flight with a screaming baby on the ground is a recipe for disaster, especially if it was between the dogs fighting. Reducing the risk to all involved would be my intention. Give dogs to stronger person and remove from danger, attend injured baby face down on concrete whilst dogs are attempting to kill each other around it.

I have a right to ask questions to the OP. I havent called them names or intentionally insulted them. I am interested in topics like these. How is the job hunting going?

There were 2 adults observing the incident. They were first on the scene. The dogs would have been safe if handed over to one of the adult observers. Both adults screamed and ran from the situation.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse That's all well and good for you to say, but you weren't in this situation. Why should you have expected her to help when there were already half a dozen other neighbours rushing to help? As it was told, the baby "faceplanted" after people were already coming to help. What more could she have done? Better to clear yourself of the area if there's nothing more you can do. Especially (emphasis on this) when she said that one of the staffies was coming after her dogs. To hell with human life when DOG-AGGRESSIVE dogs are coming after your dog. The baby probably only got scratches, whereas her dogs could have been killed. Putting you in this situation, you would have gone over with your dogs, and only exacerbated the problem. She did the right thing that was called for this situation, so don't you put her down for it. My god Chewy but you are so judgemental. You're not perfect (nobody is) so please stop trying to make the OP feel guilty for her actions in a situation where she acted appropriately. I wouldn't have done anything differently and I don't give a rat's behind as to how that makes you feel. Protecting myself and my dogs is far more important to me than some random stranger and a baby. So boo-hoo for me. I'm a coward and you're super-brave and awesome. Go find another thread to trumpet your superiority, eh? Nice overview of your psyche lilysmum, and thankyou for attempting to share mine. You got mine a little bit wrong though.

Situations can be frightening, but the OP did NOT witness the first dog as being human aggressive. If the dog was seriously HA you would have to do some quick prioritising as to what help you would be if you were missing a limb. Every situation is so different, but this incident involved a baby on the ground with possible head injuries, and and old man with a head injury, both due to falls. They were not attacked by a dog. I too have childhood memories of evil neighborhood dogs. Would be a good General thread actually.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse That's all well and good for you to say, but you weren't in this situation. Why should you have expected her to help when there were already half a dozen other neighbours rushing to help? As it was told, the baby "faceplanted" after people were already coming to help. What more could she have done? Better to clear yourself of the area if there's nothing more you can do. Especially (emphasis on this) when she said that one of the staffies was coming after her dogs. To hell with human life when DOG-AGGRESSIVE dogs are coming after your dog. The baby probably only got scratches, whereas her dogs could have been killed. Putting you in this situation, you would have gone over with your dogs, and only exacerbated the problem. She did the right thing that was called for this situation, so don't you put her down for it. My god Chewy but you are so judgemental. You're not perfect (nobody is) so please stop trying to make the OP feel guilty for her actions in a situation where she acted appropriately. I wouldn't have done anything differently and I don't give a rat's behind as to how that makes you feel. Protecting myself and my dogs is far more important to me than some random stranger and a baby. So boo-hoo for me. I'm a coward and you're super-brave and awesome. Go find another thread to trumpet your superiority, eh? I questioned the OP as to why she felt she could not assist in this situation? It intrigues me how people think in a potential disaster situation, what their priorities are and how they break down the event. I am more interested in this situation though as the OP and her mother were first on the scene. There was a thread last week regarding a situation where someone failed to stop and assist in a potentially severe situation. I can accept everybody is different, but I like to know why they make the choices they do. I find it interesting, and being on a public forum and myself having a strong interest in thought patterns, I believe I have a right to ask why the OP decided to react in that way.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse That's all well and good for you to say, but you weren't in this situation. Why should you have expected her to help when there were already half a dozen other neighbours rushing to help? A it was told, the baby "faceplanted" after people were already coming to help. What more could she have done? Better to clear yourself of the area if there's nothing more you can do. Especially (emphasis on this) when she said that one of the staffies was coming after her dogs. To hell with human life when DOG-AGGRESSIVE dogs are coming after your dog. The baby probably only got scratches, whereas her dogs could have been killed. Putting you in this situation, you would have gone over with your dogs, and only exacerbated the problem. She did the right thing that was called for this situation, so don't you put her down for it. Nooooooo, I would not have taken my dogs. I would have given them to the person with me and told them NOT to run or squak whilst running. I would have got the baby off ground level and kicked the dog to high heaven if it approached me. If I was on my own, (the OP was not) I would have unclipped my dogs and told them to stay (they may or may not have done this under the stressful situation) and I would have got the baby off the ground first, then attended to anything else. By the time the baby face planted they were about 10 neighbours there and I was half way up the street. But thanks for the insight on how miraculously perfect you are and how your heroism alone would have saved the day, maybe one day i'll live up to your glorious example, may I have your autograph? I think we might have a real life super hero on this forum. No, far from perfect, but level. Running backwards squaking down the street with another person is not something I would do. Regardless of the number of people, considering the severity of the incident, one would think you would attend the situation at some point and offer assistance. Lots to do. Catch dogs, assist faceplanted babies, assist x-knocked out men, support distressed owner of window flying dogs, take notes, make phone calls, turn the kettle on, exchange numbers as a witness etc. etc.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse That's all well and good for you to say, but you weren't in this situation. Why should you have expected her to help when there were already half a dozen other neighbours rushing to help? A it was told, the baby "faceplanted" after people were already coming to help. What more could she have done? Better to clear yourself of the area if there's nothing more you can do. Especially (emphasis on this) when she said that one of the staffies was coming after her dogs. To hell with human life when DOG-AGGRESSIVE dogs are coming after your dog. The baby probably only got scratches, whereas her dogs could have been killed. Putting you in this situation, you would have gone over with your dogs, and only exacerbated the problem. She did the right thing that was called for this situation, so don't you put her down for it. Nooooooo, I would not have taken my dogs. I would have given them to the person with me and told them NOT to run or squak whilst running. I would have got the baby off ground level and kicked the dog to high heaven if it approached me. If I was on my own, (the OP was not) I would have unclipped my dogs and told them to stay (they may or may not have done this under the stressful situation) and I would have got the baby off the ground first, then attended to anything else.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse Your my hero thanks, glad to be of assistance.

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist. geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well. I have been in worse

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist.

You are Wonder Woman now, so change your username LOL! Hey, I know a good name for a pizza

why didnt you give the dogs to your mum and help the poor old man and baby?

yep

Congratulations to all nominees. It was a fabulous night. While all winners and nominees have stories in their own right, the above award had an accompanying story that was quite compelling!! Next year is Brisbane Great its Brisbane!

yeah, I came in to see you at the end and couldnt find you. Loved your dress. I was on table 4 in a red dress. Couldnt find Julie or Troy to thank either. Bloody socialites, I dont know

Just got back from the awards. had a great night. Met some more great people and caught up with others I hadnt seen in a few years. Well done Julie, Leslie and board for putting on a nice do. Troy was speechless Well done to all the winners, especially my mates, Lynda Smith from White Shepherd Rescue winning Foster Carer of the year. Sooooooooooooo deserved, and Debbie Donald, who really is the most wonderful RESPONSIBLE pet owner of the year and amazing person. Onwards and upwards ladies

how sad for all.

not always from a pup, but if it has started in the last year or two, hard to monitor over summer due to the heat, but if you are concerned, a blood test would be the go. From the sound of it he may just over exert on a regular basis. Better safe than sorry though. Good luck.

get a blood test done asap, often these panting episodes can be a sign of internal issues thats often why external consults come back with no outcome. Internal bleeding can be a cause, if a mass or something is growing it can be ruptured causing a blead during excessive exercise, rough play or sudden physical movemt. Have you noticed a change in smell or abdomen? More sleeping? Worth a vet check, and bloods. Bno point tipping a bucket, it needs to be a constant cold stream for an extended period to make any difference to the core temp. The reason I say all this is based on first hand experience on multiple occasions. I wish I had internal checks done earlier

i witnessed a heat stroke victim, no pale gums at all. Very high blood pressure Weak back legs Vomiting Lethargy Not with it Wanting to hide Was put on a drip for an hour and took a few more days to recover. This dog was being exercised on a hot night and was very overweight. Took a full week to get back to completely normal. The symptoms you describe were exactly the same as the dog I know. keep running cold water on the legs and back, or dump in a cool bath, (not Icy) You need to do this for a long time, not just 10 minutes or so.