Steve

Chris [our foster Carer ]and Banjo All systems are go for his owner to return to his home this week. So far so good!

Thank You !

Yes please asap P.O. Box 31 Ganmain NSW 2702

Crochet is good too. In fact anything is good. As we have to put it all together sooner is better than later. We wil also be doing one with quilting just for dogz. Julie

MDBA Pacers is begging people who already knit or who would like to knit or know someone else who knits to help us. You can do this in one of Five ways. You may want to have a go at more than one. 1. You can knit a small item for us for inclusion in our craft exhibition and silent auction. here Categories here Some great starter ideas for this are here 2. You could get all of your family or group members to knit a square and make a small family or group rug or project donation ! 3. Or you can contribute a knitted square or two to contribute to the dogz community knitting project. This is designed to include all levels of knitters from novice to expert. If we all simply add one square we can create an amazing piece of art that will include all sorts of textures, colours and individuality. What we actually do with the finished project will depend on how many of you are prepared to contribute but every single contribution will be used in some way to help MDBA Pacers to provide help to prevent animal cruelty and promote responsible pet ownership. You can use different types of wool or wool blend yarns, acrylic yarns and bamboo, soy and cotton fibres, different knitting stitches, or perhaps double up lighter yarn weight like 4 ply. If you know how to knit and enjoy working with different stitches, (eg stocking, moss, basket weave) or a combination of stitches and patterns, then please enjoy yourself and be creative with your squares. If you don’t know how to knit but would like to give it a go email me [email protected] and I can send you a quick course via email. Using scrap wool or acrylic yarn is both economical for you and a great way to recycle, especially if you unravel old clothing. Op shops often have bags of wool or acrylic yarn at very low prices. Or you could undo an old garment and recycle the yarn. You can use any type of yarn, pattern, colour or knitting technique If you could tell us whether you have used acrylic or wool it will help us to know where to place each square. The squares have been designed at 8 x 8" (20 x 20 cms) to make sure that they can be quickly made and if you are sending only one to three squares, posted in a regular size envelope for minimum postage. If you are using 8 ply with 6mm needles – use 32 stitches and keep knitting until all sides are equal. It’s that simple! 4. You can donate raw materials such as yarn,needles or patterns for us to distribute to those who want to help but don’t have the resources to do so without help. 5. You can tell everyone and distribute flyers and information for us. Anyone at all interested ?

Dont do it.

These ones are in numbers because its too hard to work out the percentages. Reason why you have left or would leave breeding dogs alone. 1. Too many regulations /laws 76 2. Breed politics 51 3. Fear of litigation 39 4.Too stressed about finding approriate homes 23 5. Too many genetic problems 22 6. Finances 18 7. Breeder Getting too old or ill health 15 8. Too emotionally taxing 12 9. Time 10 10 tail docking ban 8

Hi Steve Thanks for the update. Does the survey still indicate that most of the replies are from ANKC registered breeders? if so I think the graph showing breeding for the pet market and money is a bit of a worry. Pam Me too. It would be interesting to see how the numbers who breed primarily for money break down into registered/non registered breeders, if you're collecting that info. 270 registered breeders responded as @ 2 mins ago and of them 32 said they were breeding primarily for money and 52 for the pet market.114 for the show ring.

This is now closed - the purpose was to demonstrate that some of the criteria often used to describe what is an unethical breeder is often talking about us.

From the RSPCA website- Join the RSPCA on the steps of parliament house to advocate for tougher laws and regulations to be put in place. I think you're wrong Pam. If it were to enforce laws already in place Id be there with you.

From Oscars law website - in letter to the Victorian Premier. Mr Brumby, I request an urgent amendment to the Legislation. I urge you to please make your decision based on the animals who we as a society have a duty of care for and pass Oscar's Law. Pam if the intention is only to tell them to enforce laws they already have why the hell do you think the whole thing is called OSCARS Law? The very basis of the whole thing is to push for NEW laws not to enforce those which are already there! If you support the rally you effectively support NEW laws!

So for you the rally is to tell the government that the RSPCA and the government are not using laws which are already in place to put an end to this cruelty ? Even though there is a major push on for new laws to be introduced to further regulate breeders because they say there are no laws already in place to adequately stop this? Is this what everyone else thinks the purpose of the rally is? Is it probable that this WILL be the outcome to the rally? In my opinion this is the least likely outcome of the rally.

I know the people who are organising this have great intentions just as I know people who have been putting lists together for years to tell people how to choose an ethical breeder in the main have believed that what they have presented to be a way of being able to choose a good breeder is the way to do it.That's been driven by propoganda from animal rights and a stud registry which has a monopoly on registering dogs and dog shows. Im sorry I dont go with "we have to start somewhere" if that somewhere is going to be bringing breeders who should not be under the gun within the firing line. Im not saying that Jo Public should find it almost impossible to select a good breeder Im saying that the criteria which is presented as to how they should, actually causes part of the problem and it puts people who want to stand united with them against animal cruelty who are some of the best and most ethical in this country into the pit with people who breed puppies without care for their welfare or that of the breeding dogs. If we are protesting about and rallying to raise public awareness of puppy farmers and unscrupulous breeders then Ill be there with bells on but the problem is that what one person thinks is a puppy farmer and therefore what they are rallying against is different for everyone because the somewhere we should have started from should have been to define puppy farmer so when we unite to fight puppy farmers we know we are all fighting against the same thing and then if we are going to tell people how to decide on where to buy a puppy from and be telling them how to spot someone who is rotten it shouldnt eliminate most of the breeders who do it well. Is it someone who breeds more than x amount of puppies? what is x? Is it someone who wont allow you to come to their home to see the way the puppies are reared? Is it someone who owns more than x amount of dogs? what is x ? Is it someone who doesnt breed ANKC registered purebred dogs? Is it someone who doesnt show their dogs? Is it someone who owns more than one breed? Is it someone who breeds dogs for profit? Is it someone who sells puppies to pet shops or agents? is it someone who sees their dogs the way any other farmer does - as stock ? Is it someone who breeds lots of puppies in substandard conditions? Define sub standard conditions. Is it someone who breeds any puppies in sub standard conditions? Define substandard conditions. Is it someone who breeds cross bred dogs? Is it someone who doesnt test their dogs before they breed them? Is it someone who doesnt take back what they breed if there is a problem? Is it someone who doesnt provide adequate vet treatment? Is it someone who doesnt supply adequate nutrition? Is it someone who doesnt provide adequate environmental enrichment? Is it someone who doesnt socialise their puppies? Is it someone who breeds for the wrong reasons ? Define wrong reasons? Is it someone who advertises in the newspaper or on the net? If I were rallying to raise awareness of puppy farmers I would be beating a drum against anyone who breeds a puppy in substandard conditions no matter what they breed, why they breed it or how many they breed,how often they breed, where they advertise it, where they sell it,whether they let me come to their home or not. Why did Clover Moore's bid to stop puppy farmers and sales to pet shops fail? Why did people and organisations you would have expected would agree with her and push for her bill to go through stand against her? In my opinion You guys are making the same mistake and I just hope your rally to raise puppy farm awareness raises awareness of what my definition of a puppy farmer is and not what some others obviously think is a puppy farmer.

I think their point was it has a code of ethics for its breeders Thats why they said usually and likely. But breeders usually send puppy photos do they not? Of clean environment/whelping box? They say why not to purchase pet store pups below Oscars law is not what the government is planning. The RSPCA simply decided to hop onto this rally and subject to get attention as usual. As for registration with the ANKC, they have a duty of care to monitor their own members as well. If they have a code of ethics it is up to them to enforce them as much as the council laws officers should enforce current legislation. All stud registries as far as I know have codes of ethics. the mini foxie club for example has a very tough code and they even travel to the end of the earth to look at dogs before they give the nod for them to be able to be used for breeding. Some of the MDBA members are not ANKC breeders and they work under our codes which are much tougher than any for the ANKC! And its not usually and likely its sometimes and why should some be tarred by these labels because they are not usually or likely ? You cant interpret what they mean - its what they say and based on what they say I dont want to go over to rally against myself or those who I believe are doing a great job of breeding dogs. they havent said if you get nice photos of a clean whelping environment then thats O.K. and Im not even any where near sure that it is - on its own.

The Oscars Law needs tweaking but the website encourages rescue and ANKC breeders. So it's not all cloaks, daggers and ulterior motives. If part of what this rally is standing against is as above the fact is that is approx 50% of what I would classify ethical breeders. Some of the best breeders I know would be eliminated. much of the rest is based on guess work and speculation and not with studies to back it up. Its stuff thats been pushed by animal rights and adopted as factual.

Certainly helps my understanding of the situation, thanks" sharonpuggywuggy"! If thats all you are looking at but the Victoria mandatory codes of practice for breeding dogs goes a way lot further than defining when you have to have a permit!

Im running and cant for a while but in the mean time. You find me one single study which shows that breeding a bitch in good condition every season is worse for her than not breeding her.

Would be good to know what it was PTS for.

The RSPCA didnt say that everyone who ever breeds a litter is a puppy farmer - the definition the RSPCA uses is that anyone - including someone who only ever breeds one litter CAN be a puppy farmer. The definition they use is that a puppy farmer is anyone who breeds a litter of puppies in sub standard conditions. Then you need to ask what is standard and who is determining that. I get your point - but unless people highlight the issue the RSPCA won't define substandard. There needs to be public pressure for something to actually be done. We all know that the RSPCA only acts on puppy farmers when shamed into doing so. No sorry - I was unclear. Standard is described in each state's codes of practice so there is no need for the RSPCA to define that any further. God forbid! Im happy for public pressure to be there but first I want to know what it is exactly this rally will be applying pressure on and what they think is the solution. There are several things on their website which i wouldn't want being pushed any more than they already have been.

yes I think perhaps you are missing the point. Im not unhappy about that definition I become concerned because clearly we are not all working on the same definition.

The RSPCA didnt say that everyone who ever breeds a litter is a puppy farmer - the definition the RSPCA uses is that anyone - including someone who only ever breeds one litter CAN be a puppy farmer. The definition they use is that a puppy farmer is anyone who breeds a litter of puppies in sub standard conditions. Then you need to ask what is standard and who is determining that.

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Judy said she didn't want them to film so they agreed not to film her but they did film her home and her dogs and the incident where the dogs were removed from her home. They told her about the RSPCA rescue show and told her that was why they were filming but according to Judy she was given no choice.