Moselle

The assumptions are absolutely astounding me! I'm planning a litter of Stafford puppies.....I might just put a sign up outside my property. Then with my obvious trailer-trash, overgrown, weedy appearing property, I too can be reported to the RSPCA!!! :p Can we stick to the point at hand instead of twisting things around, as per usual? lol Huge difference between you placing a sign outside your property once in a long while and these people who are obviously breeding various breeds of dogs and also on a very regular basis, don't you think? Some of you can be so childish when trying to prove a point and the ability to twist things around is quite astounding, lol. Isn't it just. How can you say they are 'obviously breeding various breeds on a regular basis? You also said there's only a slim chance the dogs are being well cared for - all on the basis of a sign placed out the front of a house. Is that not twisting things? How do you know this person isnt a rescuer, adveritising puppies they've saved from a puppy farm or pound? Well, I did say repeatedly that if it had been me driving past I would have stopped to see the situation first hand before ringing the RSPCA. I also did admit to being presumptious, we are all presuming this, that and the other; you yourself can be regarded as "presumptious" in assuming that they may advertise puppies they've saved from a farm or pound, none of us know the real situation. I somehow doubt that they are advertising pups obtained via the pound though.... I am not basing my opinion merely because of a sign hung outside the property, it is also based upon the fact that they seem to forever be selling pups of various different breeds that raises doubts...basically, we are all going round in circles....they may be doing this, they may be doing that.....god knows what they're truly doing, we are all just guessing. EXACTLY!! And until there is concrete EVIDENCE of animal mistreatment....the point is that it is completely over-the-top to be continually dobbing somebody in to the RSPCA! OKAY, I HEAR YOU AND YES I AGREE! I dont think it is fair to be constantly barraging the RSPCA with phone calls....my only point was that I would have hoped for the RSPCA to at least contact the complainant and let them know that they had looked into the situation and that all was up to par.

My above friend has had two litters in the last few months, 1 Whippet and 1 Beagle and I think has another due in a month or so for yet another breed. All up she owns about 7-8 breeds - I don't see a problem with it. 50 dogs???? :p It is an impossibility to ensure that all 50 dogs are given proper care and invidual attention. Yes, that does constitute a puppy miller! She is breeding as a means to earn herself a considerable income and that is a NO NO. It is a disgrace! Actually I've sent two of my dogs there. A much loved boy and a girl that was my pride and joy. I couldn;t be happier with the time and effort that goes into those dogs. The boy sleeps in the kennels, which is fine by me, that's where he was here. The girl, lives in the house and baby sits the smaller breeds. This lady is so far from a puppy farmer that it's not funny. Immaculate house, dogs kennels, acres of grass and care that is second to none. You should be very careful not to judge a breeder by their numbers. Where exactly did you send your dogs? are we talking about the same people that the poster is speaking of? If that is so, then I am relieved to hear that the dogs are well looked after! Even so though, I personally am of the belief that dogs should be a part of the family and not live their life in a prison cell.

The assumptions are absolutely astounding me! I'm planning a litter of Stafford puppies.....I might just put a sign up outside my property. Then with my obvious trailer-trash, overgrown, weedy appearing property, I too can be reported to the RSPCA!!! :p Can we stick to the point at hand instead of twisting things around, as per usual? lol Huge difference between you placing a sign outside your property once in a long while and these people who are obviously breeding various breeds of dogs and also on a very regular basis, don't you think? Some of you can be so childish when trying to prove a point and the ability to twist things around is quite astounding, lol. Why is it twisting things around? I live on 25 acres in the country. Why SHOULDN'T I put up a sign advertising my kennel and stud and any puppies or foals that I may have for sale? And why shouldn't I leave it there? Would save it being put up and taken down all the time. That would take my time away from my family and my animals. I have entire bitches in 3 breeds....but only 6 dogs in total. I've had bitches of two different breeds with litters of puppies at one time.....and I live in a property that spends more time being unkempt than it does botanical garden tidy....but do feel free to report me to the RSPCA. You wouldn't be the first, you probably won't be the last and I'm happy to say that I'm still around to talk about it AND keep breeding and owning my dogs!! If I could be arsed, I would most definitely put up a sign. But if in doing so, I'm going to invite the ADDED unwelcome attention of do-gooders making assumptions based upon my sign and how my property looks, then that would most certainly make me think twice. And that is a pity because I can see that signage would be another useful tool that the reputable breeder could use to educate potential puppy purchasers. I have never commented on the state of one's garden....I live on acreages myself and on a couple of occasions the grass was knee high that I had to have someone slash it! I couldn't care less if one's garden is not prize winning! My issue lies mainly with LARGE SCALE breeding. I am not really bothered by somebody putting signs up....I was mostly annoyed at reading that the poster had said that it looked as though these people were breeding ALL THE TIME AND VARIOUS BREEDS which sounded like puppy milling to me.

My above friend has had two litters in the last few months, 1 Whippet and 1 Beagle and I think has another due in a month or so for yet another breed. All up she owns about 7-8 breeds - I don't see a problem with it. 50 dogs???? :p It is an impossibility to ensure that all 50 dogs are given proper care and invidual attention. Yes, that does constitute a puppy miller! She is breeding as a means to earn herself a considerable income and that is a NO NO. It is a disgrace! Really!! have you seen the setup have you seen the dogs, do you know these people???? Assuming again. As I have said copious times, WE ARE ALL ASSUMING! I must say that I still DO NOT approve of LARGE SCALE BREEDING no matter what the set up! I do not approve of PUPPY FACTORIES as a rule. Havid said this does not mean that I agree with the current RSPCA stance. Whatever happened to breeding simply to "better the breed?"

Saw the story and was disgusted. The story is exactly as Nekhbet described, it was indeed a case of feral goats being treated like a sack of potatoes, the poor animals...

The assumptions are absolutely astounding me! I'm planning a litter of Stafford puppies.....I might just put a sign up outside my property. Then with my obvious trailer-trash, overgrown, weedy appearing property, I too can be reported to the RSPCA!!! Can we stick to the point at hand instead of twisting things around, as per usual? lol Huge difference between you placing a sign outside your property once in a long while and these people who are obviously breeding various breeds of dogs and also on a very regular basis, don't you think? Some of you can be so childish when trying to prove a point and the ability to twist things around is quite astounding, lol. Isn't it just. How can you say they are 'obviously breeding various breeds on a regular basis? You also said there's only a slim chance the dogs are being well cared for - all on the basis of a sign placed out the front of a house. Is that not twisting things? How do you know this person isnt a rescuer, adveritising puppies they've saved from a puppy farm or pound? Well, I did say repeatedly that if it had been me driving past I would have stopped to see the situation first hand before ringing the RSPCA. I also did admit to being presumptious, we are all presuming this, that and the other; you yourself can be regarded as "presumptious" in assuming that they may advertise puppies they've saved from a farm or pound, none of us know the real situation. I somehow doubt that they are advertising pups obtained via the pound though.... I am not basing my opinion merely because of a sign hung outside the property, it is also based upon the fact that they seem to forever be selling pups of various different breeds that raises doubts...basically, we are all going round in circles....they may be doing this, they may be doing that.....god knows what they're truly doing, we are all just guessing.

Could not agree more !!!!!

:D The redhead is gorgeous but yes, he does have a fat ass. Bad bad ellz!!! When it comes to dogs....I suppose overfeeding them is just as bad as underfeeding them, what do you reckon?

The assumptions are absolutely astounding me! I'm planning a litter of Stafford puppies.....I might just put a sign up outside my property. Then with my obvious trailer-trash, overgrown, weedy appearing property, I too can be reported to the RSPCA!!! Can we stick to the point at hand instead of twisting things around, as per usual? lol Huge difference between you placing a sign outside your property once in a long while and these people who are obviously breeding various breeds of dogs and also on a very regular basis, don't you think? Some of you can be so childish when trying to prove a point and the ability to twist things around is quite astounding, lol.

My above friend has had two litters in the last few months, 1 Whippet and 1 Beagle and I think has another due in a month or so for yet another breed. All up she owns about 7-8 breeds - I don't see a problem with it. 50 dogs???? It is an impossibility to ensure that all 50 dogs are given proper care and invidual attention. Yes, that does constitute a puppy miller! She is breeding as a means to earn herself a considerable income and that is a NO NO. It is a disgrace!

I did say that if I had driven by such a property I would have stopped to have a look to ensure that they did deserve reporting. There may be a slim posibility that those dogs are well fed, sheltered, treated and loved but then again....? Personally I would not be ringing the rspca repeatedly but it appears that the poster did so because she was with the understanding that the rspca would have gotten back to her which they did not. I bet that if they did get back to her the poster would not have continued to ring them.

MY point exactly, sparkycat. I am apalled that some posters here are of the opinion that it is "vexatious" to report a puppy miller, I would have thought that breeders...esp from this forum would have been up in arms about puppy farmers but instead all kinds of excuses are being entered into as a means to defend them, go figure you are not looking at how IT IS. yes its been said for decades puppy farmers are evil, must be eliminated. she is being a good girl, she has reacted like programmed. but? so far it is not illegal to breed, it wont be long before it is though. and reporting to the rspca to "eliminate" has also been going on for decades. that doesnt make it right to use them to destroy the lives of someone you either never met. or have decided u dont like but thats what IT IS. they might be all she thinks they are, BUT they might also not be. but it is now evil to breed unless you intend to keep the pups, even more evil to breed many breeds, even more evil it thats possible to cross breeds.nn the show fraternity are forgetting there are those who firmly believe its evil to breed for wins regardless of health issues. n so the witch hunt widens and who will be left? since so many have so many different perceptions, the answer looks like being, not many n since welfare groups dont breed, wonder where the future pet is going to come from? clones? You have raised some very interesting points, asal...and I do agree with just about everything you said. I am NOT in agreeance with the RSPCA being given any more powers, the idea of it is frightening. I have long wanted puppy millers to be a thing of the past but of course things have to get out of hand and now every breeder stands the chance of being scrutinised and that is tragic. Have any of you realised that you may have contributed to the RSPCA wanting to take this stance? I have been reading DOL for years....and for years DOLers have been whinning and whinging about puppy farmers and pet shops (rightfully so)....and the number of dogs ending up in shelters and being put down due to shortage of homes....it seems that those prayers have been answered...unfortuntely things are getting wayyy too out of hand.

All positive wishes to Danny, hope he keeps his food down and on the quick road to recovery. Many hugs to him.

MY point exactly, sparkycat. I am apalled that some posters here are of the opinion that it is "vexatious" to report a puppy miller, I would have thought that breeders...esp from this forum would have been up in arms about puppy farmers but instead all kinds of excuses are being entered into as a means to defend them, go figure

AWWWW you are funny, arent you?

Nup. It's actually vexatious (which is worse) and her name is probably on their list of vexatious complainants if she actually told the truth in this thread and wasnt exaggerating to make the story more interesting. As for rspca not getting back to her - as far as I'm aware, they dont get back to complainants. If they did, they wouldnt have time to investigate any complaints. Just because someone complains it does not mean they have any right whatsoever to know the outcome. AND here is your quote in which you made the comment that the RSPCA do not get back to complainants! I made the comment that the RSPCA should have gotten back to the poster and you followed it with your post....so who addressed whom first?

What is your problem? Don't exaggerate matters, I do NOT keep addressing you in posts as a rule. YOU MADE THE COMMENT that the RSPCA do not customarily get back to complainants hence why I addressed ONE post in particular to you.

Nup. It's actually vexatious (which is worse) and her name is probably on their list of vexatious complainants if she actually told the truth in this thread and wasnt exaggerating to make the story more interesting. As for rspca not getting back to her - as far as I'm aware, they dont get back to complainants. If they did, they wouldnt have time to investigate any complaints. Just because someone complains it does not mean they have any right whatsoever to know the outcome. Raz, if it is not customary for the RSPA to get back to the complainant then why do they have to pretend that they have every intentions to get back to the complainant? why not say that they have every intention to look into the situation but that the buck ends there ???

But that's the point, you don't know if it is a 'large scale breeding facility'. In fact, what is a 'large scale breeding facility'. Five dogs? Ten dogs? 20 dogs? I say predjudiced because your reaction that these people in believing they are not caring for their dogs is based on your thought of 'large scale means lack of care'. It is like looking at a woman in a hijab and assuming she is a terrorist. As I said, you have no evidence, just your predjudiced assumptions. IMO a large scale breeding facility is 20+ dogs.

That's so true, Natsu. I suppose muttering amongst ourselves might serve to make others aware as to how we can make a difference and I most certainly will do as you have suggested.

Well all I can say is if people are judging my dog husbandry by my inclination to garden, I shall await the arrival of an RSPCA inspector shortly. My weeds can only be described as spectacular. Me too. My biggest problem is the council keep getting narky (and rightly so) because my horse plays "fetch" with my tyre roundyard. But that should surely not be a reason to call in the RSPCA....unless providing a constant source of amusement for a naughty horse is cruel? Oh please , lets compare oranges with oranges, shall we?

If they are too lazy to remove the sign long after the pups are gone is an indication that perhaps they are too lazy to look after the dogs adequately...besides which...would you want to be hassled by people dropping by wanting to buy a pup when you no longer have any? or is it convenient for the simple reason that their name can be jotted down in preparation for the very next litter which may be just around the corner? Wow, that's an assumption if I've ever heard one. I am too lazy sometimes to make vacuum my floors, does that mean in your eyes I am too lazy to look after my dogs adequately. Again, your idea of 'people dropping by and hassling to buy a pup' is an assumption in two ways - 1. that is a hassle and 2. that people drop by in sufficient numbers. I had a website, it was available 24/7 and available to far more people than a roadside sign. I wasn't drowning in email enquiries. I did recieve quite a good number, but I liked this as it afforded me a waiting list. Thses people might also work via a waiting list. Who knows, as I said, everything your are saying is illogical or an assumption based on your predjudice. Of course it is all an assumption....both from myself and the other posters! We are all assuming, lol. Prejudice? well, that is your prerogative....I DO NOT like large scale breeding facilities and that is all there is to it!

Well all I can say is if people are judging my dog husbandry by my inclination to garden, I shall await the arrival of an RSPCA inspector shortly. My weeds can only be described as spectacular. But I am gardening tomorrow - I promise I did say "perhaps"....lol...

And that is the RSPCA's concern too. If the animals wellbeing is fine and the business owners are operating within the law, what's the issue? Contunially reporting someone for doing something that is not wrong, IS harrassment. Yes continuously reporting someone is harrassment BUT then whose fault is that? I know that if I report something to the RSPCA I would expect to be told that all was okay if that was the case but it is abundantly clear that the RSPCA have not gotten in touch with the poster and that only serves to leave a big question mark ????.....dont you think?

If they are too lazy to remove the sign long after the pups are gone is an indication that perhaps they are too lazy to look after the dogs adequately...besides which...would you want to be hassled by people dropping by wanting to buy a pup when you no longer have any? or is it convenient for the simple reason that their name can be jotted down in preparation for the very next litter which may be just around the corner?