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If I left my two outside at night they would bark too, at any sound with all the wildlife around and the neighbour type noises. Mine sleep in the garage attached to the house when we do confine them (otherwise they sleep in the house in the lounge). Does she have a patio or garage she could put them in since she doesn't want them in the house? If she has a sheltered patio, she could use a puppy pen to keep them confined to a smaller area at night and this will stop them being able to have free run of the whole yard where they can run out and bark at anything. Ours slept outside for a short time, and confining them to the patio helped stop them from barking, because when they barked at things, it was usually at the front of back fence-line and they ran over to it to bark.

Agree with what others have said though that they should be inside more.

I feel for you. I don't breed but the purchase price doesn't matter to me. A dog is priceless! I'm looking to buy a pup that will be the most expensive purchase price for me yet but I would never question it. You get what you pay for!

It really annoys me when people don't understand what goes into proper breeding and why well bred dogs are more than BYBs advertised in the paper. They think this is the easy cheap option but if they can't afford to pay for a dog then they can't afford the ongoing expenses of owning one.

Chester was $900 to buy and cost us around $5000 in vet bills in the first 18 months. Purchase price is a distant memory!

A vet in Bundaberg did it around a year or so ago. They were a private clinic and then became part of Greencross. I'm not sure of the changes because I don't use that vet. But all their staff stayed the same and it seemed to mainly make a difference to their marketing.

Yep, thats what I meant with thr smartie analogy - lens capsule is the shell, lens protein is the chocolate. :) When we don't put a lens in, we just leave an empty bag.

Dogs can see well enough to get around without any lens. When we remove a luxated lens, the whole thing is removed. Some dogs have bilat lens lux and they see OK.

Thanks for explaining :)

Do you know what sort of vision they have with only the bag and whether it would work the same way in people? So interesting!

I found the word I was looking for, capsular bag. The lens is removved from this. This link was helpful http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/cataract.htm

I was under the impression from work that you can't see at all without a lens in your eye. And as the whole lens needs to be removed to remove a cataract, a replacement is needed.

Different lenses give different types of distance, either distance, near or a combination of the two providing mono vision.

That's really interesting kirty, thanks for posting. I'll have to tell the ophthaologist i work for. I went in and watched a cataract surgery not long ago and they do break up and suck out the inside of this layer but they still refer to it as removing the clouded lens. so I'm not sure now if its the same as with dogs or not. People definitely need a replacement lens though.

Sorry you are going through this.

I work for an eye specialist (for humans) that does a lot of cataract surgeries. In people it is the least risky operation and there is no pain. Cataracts are a clouding of the lens in the eye. They remove the whole lens and replace it with an artificial one. Cataracts can't recure but sometimes the artificial lens can get a but cloudy over time and this is treated with laser.

I don't know about the differences between doing it on a person or a dog though. I would still do the surgery though rather than leave it if it were me and my dog. All going well it gets great results.

I don't mind a little bit of doggy smell but the really strong ones are a bit much. I once went to a house where the 2 golden retrievers ruled the house. They also didn't have the best diet (I think this makes a huge difference) and the house stunk BAD to the point where I'd feel flu symptoms every time I went there and couldn't get the smell out of my nose for hours. Speaking of masking the odour - they had a little automatic scent sprayer that went off every 10 minutes or so and the smell that it put out was like one of those oatmeal dog shampoo smells. So then her house just smelt like dog + dog shampoo = wet dog smell. All the time. She wasn't big on cleaning either.

The other thing that is happening is while he is playing off leash with other puppies his value for them is going up, so this is working against you.

My non-doggy friend came over once and said she had to tell me something, as a friend. She said my house has a doggy smell to it. I was so embarrassed. I said maybe its because the last couple of weeks have been wet and the dogs were coming in wet and getting on their beds in the laundry. She said no, its all the time.

I moved the dog's beds to the garage which is still attached to the house but bigger and more airy. I air the house out as much as possible. I do the floors more often now - I vacuum and then mop with bleach and eucalyptus. I always mop before this friend comes over and she often comments that the house smells nice and fresh and clean. I think she felt bad.

After a recent visit to a house that was something straight out of animal hoarders I am no longer worried about my house at all.

I know who started this group and having met her, if I were a rescue group I would stay away. Well meaning and nice people but that's not enough.

We have a 16 week old german shepherd puppy in our class at the moment who has had similar reactions to your dog. There is no way I would tell them to stop coming to class to solve the problem. The puppy needs to learn to deal with it by learning in the presence of it. After just one class of focusing on the issue, the GSD is now focused on the owner in close range to other dogs. It is all about teaching them that you hold more value, like the other posters have said. :)

You can start by prompting the pup to look at you by making funny noises or saying his name. The millisecond he looks at you, even if it's just a glance, say "yes!" and become animated and offer him his reward - whether this be a high value treat or a game or tug with a toy etc. Run backwards and draw him in towards you to get the reward if it helps you to be more animated.

Start out with some distance and work your way closer. I'd use a normal flat collar or a martingale collar. With a martingale you can use a correction when he is reacting. He can look calmly at the other dogs but nothing happens. Reacting may get him a correction. But looking back at you = big rewards. You are increasing your value and decreasing the value of the other dogs.

He is at the age now that you should be able to take him to an obedience school and continue to work on this in a group environment.

Poor thing. If they really want to do the right thing they should pts.dogs are so forgiving and can put up with so much discomfort but that doesn't mean they should have to.

For those who don't want to watch it.

The dogs were in a fairly close grouped drop/stay. Fire-works/crackers where suddenly ignited in the midst of them. The dogs broke and the handlers choked/pulled/corrected via strong leash corrections. The dogs were panicked. The dogs didn't return to the drop (they'd been startled into hind-brain mode, so no room to think) and so the respective handlers uncomfortably and roughly wrestled/forced their dogs to the drop. Most dogs were hunched and really didn't know what was going on.

Stupid stupid. Doesn't do the word "training" any justice. I only saw damage being done, no good.

Thanks for that erny. I was thinking I should explain it for those who don't want to watch it but you worded it better than I could have.

It is stupid the things that some people do in the name of training. I wasn't even sure what to call the thread because you can't really call this training or excuse it as training.

If I were a student there I would leave, id never be able to do that to a dog, especially a dog that i live with and love.

It would be so damaging to the bond between these dogs and owners. Dogs are so forgiving, too much sometimes.

Do we know where it was?

This comment was under another copy of the same video on youtube:

This "trainer" is in my city. We presented this video to an animal control officer. Sadly, nothing can be done about it because it's just considered a training exercise gone poorly (which is understatement of the year). Kentucky is the worst state in the country for animal cruelty laws. It's depressing. I'm pretty psychological cruelty doesn't even count.

Here is the link to the video where that comment is -

Congrats and welcome to DOL

A couple of questions - what breed is the puppy and how old is she?

When they are really young they can't hold it through the night and as she is not confined and has a choice of where to go, she can happily walk away from her bedding area and go to the toilet in your bathroom. It is possible that she is smelling cleaning products with ammonia in it as this smells like urine to them.

This is where crate training comes in handy - it works on the principal that the puppy naturally does not want to go in its bedding area. You would probably have to take her out through the night once or twice too depending on her age. Crate training is also really useful for lots of other things such as transporting the dog or medical care. I thought it was a bit rough when I first heard of it but now I wouldn't go back. My dogs love their crates. :) Lots of other happy dogs on dol are crate trained too.

You could still do it without a crate but you may need to take her out through the night. Also removed her drinking water about half an hour before bed time and don't feed her too close to bed time.

Is there a particular reason you want her to sleep outside?

WTF?? If they were training the dogs to be 'bomb proof', then I could kind of understand but to me it looked like a regular training school.

Some instructors need to be slapped - I've witnessed many a cruel thing that has been done and have been guilty for not standing up.

I'm sure this is their goal but they are going about it all wrong. they are sensitizing the dogs, making them more fearful. And the dog who got loose at the end and bolted. I hate to think what happened to him when the owner caught up

Part of me was hoping the owner wouldn't catch up with him ever :/

After watching my fearful dog completely wig out and shut down at the vet yesterday, the thought that anyone would cause that reaction on purpose and for no real benefit is beyond words.

Yeah I was hoping the dog ran off far away and found a new home. poor things were so terrified.

WTF?? If they were training the dogs to be 'bomb proof', then I could kind of understand but to me it looked like a regular training school.

Some instructors need to be slapped - I've witnessed many a cruel thing that has been done and have been guilty for not standing up.

I'm sure this is their goal but they are going about it all wrong. they are sensitizing the dogs, making them more fearful. And the dog who got loose at the end and bolted. I hate to think what happened to him when the owner caught up

Just saw this on FB, it makes me want to cry. How cruel.

It is also sad that trainers are devided into two groups by some people - either totally positive and force free or abusive like this video. No balance.

I wouldnt send him for boarding straight up but I would get a behavourist in to help you at home and give you one on one help. The Sep anx program through sas also sounds like an option. They are very experienced with danes. Good luck

Interesting showdog. I am curious and this may be a dumb question but I assume it can only change the male if he actually mates with a female, and it doesn't happen if he only has semen collected by a vet?

I would think they should definitely have a copy on file. Usually they are electronic format and sent on a disc, so it would have to be in their system.

I'm going to put in a complaint in wiriting with the dog attack forms and encourage anyone else who was there to do the same. It is the owners that need to face consequences, if they just get rid of the dog they will still let the other dog roam as well and not learn anything. I'm taking photos every time I see them out. I'll put it all in writing and keep on it. Council is very busy at the moment with the floods now so I don't see them actioning it straight away.

I find this article sums it up nicely, from the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behaviour. When I get pups I take them out and about as soon as they get home and just be careful of what surfaces they come into contact with. Socialisation is very important to me and there is always a risk of disease even when keeping the dog at home as you can bring home parvo on your shoes.

http://avsabonline.org/uploads/position_statements/puppy_socialization.pdf

Wow. How ignorant of dog behaviour.