Erny

Fact of the matter is, Tony ..... to my knowledge Lab and Poodle was never named here.

I received the following email from "Lab and Poodle" last night. As per his request, I print it here .... Here is a very simple message to DOL people In my guise as Lab and poodle or any other I have not sent an anonymous email to "Erny". Any further suggestions that this is so will be met with appropiate action. To any observer people who can make insinuations without the accused having a reply need to take a good hard look at themselves. they certainly aren't on my list of people i care to have anything to do with. Please print this for me as I have no access to the circus called dogzonline.

I've singled this part of your post out, RG ..... but what a great post overall. And this part. The "respect" you speak of RG is more likely to be the "love" a dog feels, if we can guess at interpreting in a non-anthropomorphic way. Many people don't 'get' that, and 'tis where they go wrong ..... ETA: Kudos to your dog's breeder for giving you these words.

What training method have you been using with your dog? Have you used training in drive?

Hey thanks Bosko. Only thinking of you yesterday and wondering how things were going. Got time for an email report or a phone call tomorrow?

I read it as not being able to maintain the dog's attention/focus. But I think it would be good if the OP would confirm this before we all start contributing to a subject we are part way guessing at interpretation.

I had intended to and wanted to, but a extra-ordinary early start on the following morning prevents me from attending the Friday evening session. I won't be around for the weekend one. Had it been on another weekend though.......

Well, I can promise you that this person did not "shake my hand" here on DOL either . He is a coward and shows no strength to the conviction of his own reasonings (and gets his facts wrong so it's pretty hard to recognise any credibility to his comments anyway), but at least he hasn't shown himself up to be two-faced in that respect Thanks Laax.

I've PM'd you, KKK.

Regard walking your dog with your daughter to school - pleasantly and with no dog/dog issues - as your ultimate goal. To achieve that goal there are likely to be things that you need to change and that are inconvenient and to a degree impractical in the meantime. Don't think of it as something that must be forever, but merely a direction away from the 'norm' until you can return to your usual routine, but in a more ideal and pleasant way.

I always feel as though it might be seen that I'm on a crusade to promote the employment of trainers/behaviourists when I say this, but a picture is worth a thousand words and for that reason it would do you well to take advantage of even at least just one trainer/behaviourist consult. Not only WHAT to do and WHEN to do it and working out WHY the dog is reactive in the first place, but coaching YOU into HOW to do what you need to do will set you off down the right track. I could sit here and type away with a "do this and when that happens do that" ...... but it might not be the ideal method for your dog nor even be something you can manage. I couldn't tell that until and unless I saw the dog. And I also wouldn't know if you were applying effective handling technique or timing even if you did follow written instruction. This in itself can be vital to the success (or not) of a behaviour modification/training method. But, what you do need to do is work at distance so that the reactivity your dog exhibits is manageable - not only from a handling perspective but also from your dog's mental capability perspective. If we work at a proximity to the stimuli that is too intense for the dog to cope with, learning capabilities go out the window and any effort is generally a waste of time, if not detrimental. If you work too far away, any effort will likely be a waste of time towards overcoming your dog's problems, but at least isn't likely to be as detrimental as it would to do the opposite. Do you belong to a good training school who might be able to organise a prive lesson for you?

Hi ILDD. When you're dealing with any form of aggression, 'tips' over the internet are not your best option - not without first having a trainer/behaviourist observe and consult. There are sooooo many things you can try doing, but whether it would be right for your dog AND for you is another matter. And in aggression, there can be no room for error which has the potential to lead to harm - neither to the other dog, your dog or yourself. There are just too many anomolies to take into consideration. But don't lose hope. If the problem is a matter of insufficient socialisation you might not ever be able to 'cure' the problem to the extent that it is 100% fixed, but there is often a big window of opportunity and chance to remedy it to a manageable level. But it is likely to take time, patience and a dedication to a planned routine of behaviour and response (from you) to gradually achieve the ultimate results. The 'plan' should be devised by and monitored by a trainer/behaviourist though, as during the course of behaviour modification, the 'plan' will shift and alter, depending upon the dog's changed responses. I didn't stop to look to see if you have given us a proximity of your location. If it's not already stated, perhaps you would let us know and we can make some suggestions/recommendations for a trainer/behaviourist who would be able to help you. Good for you for adopting a dog who for whatever circumstances obviously needed a home . And good for you for wanting to try to work through this dog's problems.

That's a question for Denis, FFAK. I don't think I've read the story in question yet.

Thanks everyone. You've written some really lovely words. I appreciate them although modesty demands that I be a bit 'd. Honestly - I'm not worried about the emailer .... not at all. But I will find out who the person is, just because . What a stupid statement to make anyway ..... along the lines of I don't like you because you are friends with him. Takes me back to my pre-school days :rolleyes:.

.... so my thread is now on a multi-international basis! So this 'crank' may well have done me a favour by increasing my exposure :rolleyes: . Denis - it's being checked out at the moment, but I think this crank is one of our very own (yes, we do have them ) locals. Although it could well be that his origins stem back to pommy land .

Thanks Cazz. Actually, if this person is who I am thinking, I find the email I received somewhat laughable. But thank you all for your support. It isn't intentionally why I put this thread here, but it does help to hear it. :rolleyes:

It's ok. I think I might know who it is that sent the email. And I think this person had multiple ID's here on DOL. And to THAT person I say ...... get your facts right before you start blurting. I don't think you mean John Rogers .... Sorry for the coded talk, guys. I need to confirm some things if I can. But it is possible I'm rounding that person in and, if it is who I think it is, is not worth it.

I think as a result of the thread I created titled "Be Proud Dolers" I received an anonymous email to my website email contact address. This person has bad-mouthed Denis to me and simply because I appreciate Denis' input in the discussions I have had with him via internet communications, has pinned me as having no credibility as a dog trainer, in his/her opinion. IMO, it is a sign of extreme cowardice to write such flaming things without the conviction to reveal oneself and therefore the credibility of the statements made to me via that email don't bear rating on any scale. I write this here because it is the only way I am able at the moment to track the person who made the uncalled for remarks, until at least when I am able to converse with my web-site host. It is reasonably obvious it was a DOL reader though, so perhaps this message will be read here before I need to go to that trouble. Kindly note that you denigrate yourself by the mere nature and content of your email. From me you have won no respect for you, your thoughts or of any value of your comments. Please refrain.

Chalkeroochy .... email me at [email protected] and I'll send you back a handout pertaining to recommendations for dog-owners who are expecting a new child to the family. Give me some time though .... am about to go eat dinner. There is also a downloadable book the cost for which is about $10.00 I think. It is by Silvia Kent and is called "Your Dog & Your Baby". I haven't read right through it so can't fully comment on its content, but I'm sure your friends will be able to read up on some much useful info there too. I'm afraid I don't have the link to the downloadable book, but if you google for it I don't think you'll have any problems sourcing it. ETA: In any event, your friends "leadership" of their dog is a pre-requisite and if they are in doubt as to whether they have the respect from their dog to govern its actions, I'd recommend they arrange a visit from a behaviourist who will be able to offer advice and suggestions in this regard.

Cazz ..... did I miss something, or have you posted in the wrong thread?

Well, you should at least START by being nice to Denis, Jeff. 'Cause Denis is the one who needs to validate you before you can gain entry.

By rights this really should go in the "Off Topic" forum, but not everyone will be able to see it unless they have accumulated 50+ posts and anyway, it is a reflection of the great discussions which are possible, curteousy of the DOL admin and mods of of the people who sanely enter into discussions about training and different training methods - even if the method discussed isn't what each person bears preference towards. Some lovely words by the mod on another dog chat site that I thought you should all like to read. I think that the congratulations first goes to all those who provide DOL for us to use. But this is not to forget that the participants within those threads have a great part to play and are also reason for DOL carrying the great reputation that it does. So, all in all, its a to everyone here on DOL for the role they play in making DOL what it is. The words come from Denis McCarthy who now runs his own UK based chat site for the purpose of talking about e-collars. Denis has been banned from numerous other sites over there - not for any reason other than he dared to discuss this particular training tool. I think it would be sad if the mods and people in general here in Oz rejected discussion about anything other than in favour of their own bias'. It would become a very narrow field of discussion, not to mention view on training, if that were to occur. So thanks to all those here who are willing to entertain a broad-mind and to discuss sanely and with good reasoning and balance, the multitude of views pertaining to the field of dogs and dog training. And of course, such diverse and balanced discussion is only made possible by the leniency and open-mindedness granted by the DOL admin and mods. So a big thanks there.

Aaaagh!! Know what you mean ...... I had to replace mine not more than a month ago!!!!

Perhaps he has a brother????? Yes, Cazz. Sorry.