leopuppy04

Hi all,

I was wondering.... my pup has a show on Sat/Sun and I need to get some glue out of her coat. I've been washing it it warm water 2x daily and it seems to be working...... anyone know how to do it faster? NB - can't cut the hair.

so I guess the questions is - do I stand her hold her tight and force her to accept the petting? Or is that a bad idea?

I think it depends on the dog. I don't *force* my dog to interact, but by being a little more assertive (ie: telling her she is being silly and guiding her over to say hello) seems to have helped her some. But then for other dogs (like cowanbree) it can break the dog and they'll never be the same. Do what your gut tells you and remember to always read what your dog is saying.

can you talk to judges at shows/obed trials dressed that way and start with them simply patting her - perhaps after judging has finished or something?

I understand the complications - its all about context isn't it. My aussie does the same thing occasionally - run up and then decide "nope, you can't touch"... everyone she has met more than once she is all over them. Perhaps even 'encourage' (ie: no assertion) her over to the male person and ask him to pat her on the chest only. Tell her how good she is/feed her when she accepts the touch - again, pats by strange men = good things. Perhaps that will help also?

Sorry I can't be of more help

Myzska do you have some male friends that can help you in that context? Perhaps you set her up and have a male walk past her, close, but not touching - C&T that. Then gradually work up until they can give her a full body exam?? Perhaps that will help you? I'd do the same in the street too. IF she sees a male and doesn't react, reward her etc.

My apologies if i'm stating the obvious!

I agree with cowanbree. Don't push it too much. Try and make the interaction positive. My female aussie is more aloof than my older one. I suspect it is a joint thing of a new home and possibly hormones starting to kick i. (she is 6mths). All i'm doing is reinforcing that people are good and generally people = food & nice gentle pats. Obviously she doesn't show the same response as Divani . I get people in the house to feed her and pat her chest only. It seems to be working really well and she has gained a lot of confidence.

I'd contact someone to help you though

ETA - she also shows and Kinta has absolutely no problems, male or otherwise of people examining her.

LP- Thought that might spark your curiosity! We worked for ADT and WPK when you did the course. We remember spunky Leo too. Maybe the photos on our website would jog your memory!

LOL - Now I know who you guys are! Hi ! LOL - can't hide from anybody on DOL .

Also should I wait till after his second vaccination before puppy preschool ? Or is first vaccination ok. First vac is the minimum requirement for entrance. Both preschools I want to attend are both indoors

Most places for PPS are aware that the puppies they take have only had one shot. Usually if you wait for the two vacc, they are too old for PPS. The reason is that PPS was designed for pups that are too young to face the real world, but needed social with other dogs of similar ages and in a controlled, sanitised environment

WOW - thanks for everyone's responses (Keep them coming!). It is really interesting to hear what everyone thinks and how they incorporate training. Now that i've settled into the whole 'multi-dog' thing, I have found it reasonably easy to have enough time for them (maybe even too much!). I love hearing everyone elses responses - seems that most of us have between 2-4 dogs though

Cosmolo - have I met you and your dogs before??? Where? When? LOL! I have met so many people on DOL that I didn't even know I knew .... s'mon - spill the beans

Leopuppy...you think so it looks professional, how far do you think it is from RSPCA Burwood East ?

Probably at least 30 - 40mins if you are talking about Southern - it is all the way down the 'other' end of Springvale rd!

I'd just keep taking him to different places and working on focus, nothing else. When he is getting really good at that, start asking for a bit of work. Raise the bar slowly etc. I'd even take him to a few trials and work on focus etc.

Dont get me wrong, my sheltie works nicely & never puts a foot wrong, he is such a good boy , he just doesnt have the "spark" that I like in my dogs .

Yep my thoughts exactly. My boy works really well and will go far (I hope!), but sometimes he lacks spark . Other times he is an absolute dream . Not bad though, considering I have made more than enough mistakes to have him permanently confused!

At least once a day, I train and walk them separately

you go for 3 walks a day??? Boy you must be fit

1 Sheltie, one kelpie, yes, very different working styles, TBH the sheltie is probably too laid back for me, I find it difficult to motivate him sometimes. The kelpie is exactly the sort of dog I love to train best, always switched on, full of life & wants to work with you.

Im hoping that both will be ready to go into CCD in the next 6 months, I have my eye on a trial at our home club at the begining of May .

Good luck Mrs D. I agree with you - my older boy is a little more laid back and is sometimes hard to motivate. When he gets going though he is great fun. My younger girl on the other hand is constantly switched on and tonnes of fun!!! Mind you I love working both, each for their own reasons. Like Myszka - I love working my older boy coz we are more 'in tune' to each other, having only had Kinta for a short while

Young standard poodle, older Cairn terriers. I love the poodle sense of humour which makes the training so much fun.

Are the poodles easy-ish to train or challenging? They do look like a fun breed! What about lines - do you have to go with specific lines or are all poodles suited to obed etc? hehe - you shouldn't have said you have a poodle

Weird question, but for all of those triallers out there, or even people who just love training.

How many dogs do you have?

How often do you train etc.

Do you find it hard to train all of them?

What are their rough ages - ie: are some retired, do you have multiple dogs at trialling level?

Do you feel that you have enough time for each dog?

Do you have multiple breeds to train or do you only have the one breed? Any preferences in working style?

Just asking out of curiosity.

I have two dogs - similar in age 2.5 and 6mths. I am fairly certian that at some stage their training paths will cross and will be relatively equal in terms of level and ability. I think 2 dogs are easy-ish to be able to train and spend enough 'special' time with. I usually train them both in the morning - we walk to the park and i'll tether one while I train the other, switch and then both will be let off for a nice long run and play. Living in a suburban house, i'd find it really hard to have more than 2 or do more than showing, obedience and agility.

At the moment my plans are NOT to have any more (famous last words!) until my older boy is ready to retire... say in 6 or so years. I like having 2 dogs to train. Max number of dogs I could see myself having and still remaining sane would be 6 (with 2 retirees). I don't think I would do this until I move out onto acerage as there is NO WAY I could walk 6 dogs down the street!

I've only trained Aussies so far and would always like to have mostly aussies (hey, I do want to breed them ), but i'd like to have and possibly train a poodle and golden at some stage

Will do so leopup

Southern Obedience School looks pretty good to. Fully fenced !

Southern is great - went there last year for an obed trial - looks very professional and designed for dogs - not just a soccer ground

Haven/ Mrs D - yep. Exactly my thoughts. we can't put all dogs into one basket and say that they can ALL be trained by this method. Not possible. a purely positive trainer can do just as much 'damage' to their training as a pure 'compulsion' trainer.

Haven - thanx - the two of them get along too well!!!

Check if Knox allows you to take food on premisis for training if you are still interested to go there.

I don't mind if people choose not to use food, but I don't like it when clubs tell you you CANT use it.... and that goes for every method etc.... shows they are narrow minded IMO.

Correction collars are not cruel and are an effective training technique. All it requires is for you as a trainer/handler to decide what method exactly you want to use. Personally, I prefer no/ minimal correction while TRAINING (hehe - they certianly get a good yelling at if they are just being plain cheeky!). I also don't particularly like clubs that say you MUST use correction chains or that you MUST never say "no" to your dog. I like to be somewhere in the middle - if you do what I want, you get all these good things, and if you don't, you get things you don't want etc,etc. Try and find a club that will allow you to sit somewhere in the middle....

Again - I say what I said in your previous post - check out Croydon. Go down to a few clubs in feb and see what you think of them. If you come to Croydon, tell me and I can spare some time to have a chat with you etc

classes run every week. Of course if you can't make it one week, all you have to do is just ring your instructor to tell them so. This is just done out of common curtosey - particularly if you *know* you are not going to make it .

Before anyone jumps up and down, I work for ADT but I don't profit in any way from recommending them. I did profit many years ago when I first discovered ADT as a member because they helped me treat my GSDs chronic anxiety problems and turn him into a much happier, healthier dog after many other clubs and trainers told me to put him to sleep.

LOL haven. Last thing that jumped into my mind .

Cool Seems Fun

What if I can come to enrollment day since I don't get my pup till late Feb

You can come to enrolment day to have a look if you like. Or a week or so after (as you can tell, enrolment day will be quite busy!).

For your pup i'll still be ringing up now to book in for PPS on Wed nights. The places fill up quick so if you wait until you have your pup, you may not have room

So what day does the Croydon training run ?

What time ?

Also if I enroll my pup in puppy preschool how long approximatly before it reaches advance ?

How many to a class ?

Hope you can answer my questions !

In answer to your questions:

Sundays between 9:30 and 12. Depends what class you are in - 9:30 - 10:30 or 11 -12. Sign up day is on Feb 4th between 9:30 and 11. It will be very hectic. Give Ruth a call (chief instructor) about signing up for PPS NOW as classes are filling up fast.

Second Q - How long is a piece of string . It depends on your dog. My dog was around 12mths when he finished Basic 2. He picked things up quick and I did extra work with him etc. But to give you a basic idea - PPS runs in 4 wk blocks, but you stay in that until your pup is 14wks old (these are on wed nights). Puppy class runs immedietly after that for 9wks. Basic 1 & 2 are 12 wk blocks with an assessment at the end. After that you can either continue with obed or do flyball, agility, obedience trialling or nothing *g*! If you continue in obed classes - intermediate runs for another 12wks and advance social is never-ending.... it is just that - 'social'. Hope that helps.

Depends on the class - usually around 15.

Cost is between $50 - 60 per year, no additional fees that you have to pay per week etc.

The cost also includes Tue night agility and Wed night trial nights if you decide to go under these sports . As you can tell i'm pretty much always there

I love croydon. Their PPS is very much based on socialising and only teaching the 'basics' and fundamentals of training. They then have a puppy class which continues on with the social - taking you to shopping centres, school grounds, distractions and a puppy confidence course. The basic stuff is learnt in puppies such as sit,drop,stand,recall, and loose lead walking. Then when your pup is about 6mths they go onto the basic classes (1&2). This is where the real obedience starts in things such as higher distractions and building up their reliability. You start heeling in basic 1&2. The main aim for these classes is a) for a good family pet so there is a lot in terms of life skills also. Another is for dog sports such as obedience, agility and flyball. So some trainers are picky and others not so much - it really depends. Most dogs there by the time they finish basic 2 have a very high standard of obedience. You must finish basic 2 before moving into agility, flyball or trialling. They have a very good track record and success in all 3 avenues. Check it out - we go back on the 5th? Feb. Classes are at 9:30 or 11am. Highly recommended by me !

ETA - the methods that CDODC focus on are positive, motivational techniques. So we basically work on rewarding your dog for doing the right thing and setting them up to succeed, etc,etc,etc.

To Me - that sounds silly. The main aspect of PPS, IMO is to let the puppies socialise with each other as well as introduce them to as many different situations and environments as possible. I am sure she needed a lot of things to cover in the first class, but she shouldn't have expected the puppies to be sitting. It's also a lot for the new owners to take in and listen for a full hour while they are also trying to control their 8wk old little dynamite . PPS is also not about teaching obedience really..... that can come later... it's about teaching handler the basics of dog training and about socialising the dog. Thats what later classes are for..... obedience.

As for saying 'no'..... that is ridiculous. How can anyone go through life without ever being told of when they have done wrong? It's silly. We've seen kids that have been raised like that.... and we all know how they can turn out . Sometimes it works, but I honestly believe that every now and then a dog has to be told that what it did was wrong. The level of intensity is obviously controlled by what they did wrong etc.

Just my thoughts

It should be illegal for anyone to own a puppy that cute!!!!!!!! OMG he is adorable!!! I want a golden, I want a golden :p!

I love the ball fetching one.... sooo cute - could teach a somersault with that! My pup runs after it but only sometimes brings it back :p