saxonspride Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 hi everyone, can anyone point me to a website or give advice on the male implant that stops the need for desexing. i have a seven month old amstaff that i am considering desexing. my concerns are the disadvantages of doing it too early. i dont want to start a debate about what age to desex, rather i just want to explore my options. i've heard from a few vpeople about this implant or shot, but only very limited info. i'd like to know if it is permanent or not? if it stops testoterone production or just makes them shoot blanks so a link to a website, or possibly contact details of someone who knows about this stuff would be greatly appreciated. to nut or not to nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) You'd probably want to contact them directly... http://www.peptech.com/HTML/Animal_Health/...in_general.html My boy is on his 2nd implant. You can get 6 or 12 month implants, it can last a bit longer than that, it's an individual thing. Most boys get nut shrinkage, how much is an individual case. In regards to implanting early I guess you'd be looking at things like the dog may not mature fully (body up), keeps the growth plates open longer etc. Also what are you expectations? Why are you looking at doing this, if it's temperament reasons then it may not sort those out. My boy is still a humper, still a bit dog agro and still a bit dominant....nothing really changed there. But he doesn't know when the bitch across the road is in heat which is super! I must say though during his 1st implant he didn't go straight into a hump, it would take longer to get to that level and his behaviour was calmer, the 2nd one either hasn't kicked in yet or isn't going to give us the same results. This was the ball shrinkage on my boy: Edited July 24, 2009 by sas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuntooki Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Luv the photo's SAS, nicely documented! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam&Saki Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Find a decent repro specialist, discuss the risks of desexing at this age, and they can do the implant. I chose implant desexing too (annually) but not until 18 months of age (but she's a bitch so otherwise I can't help you much with info.) Good luck x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Luv the photo's SAS, nicely documented! People...especially show dog people are always interested in what shrinkage you get hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Sas. I think pic three is a nicer package than the droopy boys. Are the tighter nuts held against him when showing? Are they any health effects using this long term, or is it recommended to only be used with breaks in between? eta: Have just read the link saying it can be used long term, thanks for the link. Edited July 24, 2009 by Clyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Find a decent repro specialist, discuss the risks of desexing at this age, and they can do the implant.I chose implant desexing too (annually) but not until 18 months of age (but she's a bitch so otherwise I can't help you much with info.) Good luck x I had thought it was for males only, and it doesn't say much about females on their site. Do they still have seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Sas. I think pic three is a nicer package than the droopy boys. Are the tighter nuts held against him when showing?Are they any health effects using this long term, or is it recommended to only be used with breaks in between? eta: Have just read the link saying it can be used long term, thanks for the link. Well right now there isn't a rule about using Superlorin, some people think it's unfair because the boys aren't aware if bitches in season aren't around and can be calmer around other entire males (not that, that is always a problem). So depending on what kind of judge you get, they'll have a guess your dog is on superlorin based on ball size and maybe not award you. My boy isn't shown anymore so we don't really have to deal with that side of things but yes it is a taboo subject among many. Edited July 24, 2009 by sas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Find a decent repro specialist, discuss the risks of desexing at this age, and they can do the implant.I chose implant desexing too (annually) but not until 18 months of age (but she's a bitch so otherwise I can't help you much with info.) Good luck x I had thought it was for males only, and it doesn't say much about females on their site. Do they still have seasons? Yep, no heats for bitches. I know someone who has the male Superlorin version in their bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke W Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 My boy's boys shrunk to the size of jelly beans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Ive used it twice, and in between he sired a litter, so it definately does reverse. The first one he had at around 9 months, the second at nearly 2 years Ed has a fair amount of shrinkage and it stopped alot of the marking etc, he never humped so that wasnt an issue. Its quite clear to me, and also to closer friends when it was wearing off as we could see the change in him, being more stubborn, and the massive increase in marking i was planning on getting him desexed surgically, but after emergancy surgery earlier in the year he had a few seizures and they arent quite sure if it was a reaction to the anaesthetic so at this point Im trying to decide whether to keep him entire for a bit longer, or to implant him for a while til I can figure out what to do As far as the vets Ive spoken to have told me there isnt really a problem with using it continuously, but better not to implant. let it wear off, implant again, so I want to figure it out before I do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Find a decent repro specialist, discuss the risks of desexing at this age, and they can do the implant.I chose implant desexing too (annually) but not until 18 months of age (but she's a bitch so otherwise I can't help you much with info.) Good luck x I had thought it was for males only, and it doesn't say much about females on their site. Do they still have seasons? Yep, no heats for bitches. I know someone who has the male Superlorin version in their bitch. Sorry, I'm confused. You've said you chose it, do you mean you have done something else for Saki? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxonspride Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 thanks to everyone who replied, especially "sas"! :rolleyes: your reply was far more information than i expected. thanks for the photos and link. the reasons for considering are: saxon is a humper!!! :champagne:the sight of his blue bath towel is enough to set him into air hump mode!!! its kinda like a reverse moonwalk but with a bit more hip motion and less ankle and knee movement!!! it is a classic, at home, but a bit embarrassing in public! he is very easily excitable around other dogs and hard to get to focus when he reaches that point. its hard to catch him early everytime. i wasn't sure about how it works but after seeing the diagrams(again, thanks so much sas) its clear that it stops testosterone production. the reason i was considering it as alternative to nutting him was because my breeder suggested that i give him at least twelve months before snipping because the prostate, especially, needs testosterone to develop fully. this was the latest research thingy she just finished reading. females were six months and before first season. i dont proclaim to know all the information needed to make an informed decision and thats why i thank you all for your information. at least now i can go and speak to a vet and have a bit of an idea on whats going on. it can be information overload sometimes when at the vet and being a male, it takes time to process these things, then i walk out , get in the car, and "duh" i forgot to ask this... and then theres another $80...at least now i can prepare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninahartland Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Have used it with one of my males twice now.The first time it seemed to wear off after 9/10 months, so he's onto his second one now{about 8 months ago}.Vet said it might be due to his size that it's not lasting the full 12 months,apparently it's the same implant whether for a wolfie or a chi. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) Refer also to the thread "Male Desexing Implant" for further information on Suprelorin. Edited July 25, 2009 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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