dogmatic Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I am not out to impress anyone so I really don't care. I would prefer my dog not bite people and they didn't as they hadn't needed to. They were well trained and could be taken anywhere and relied for having stable temperments. They looked convincing enough when they needed to ans shut up when told, made me happy, thats what matters It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I am not out to impress anyone so I really don't care. I would prefer my dog not bite people and they didn't as they hadn't needed to. They were well trained and could be taken anywhere and relied for having stable temperments. They looked convincing enough when they needed to ans shut up when told, made me happy, thats what matters It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. I have a stuffed toy that will not do anything to anybody no matter if I am there or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) I am not out to impress anyone so I really don't care. I would prefer my dog not bite people and they didn't as they hadn't needed to. They were well trained and could be taken anywhere and relied for having stable temperments. They looked convincing enough when they needed to ans shut up when told, made me happy, thats what matters It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. No I did not say they would bite unless I was there, They are a guardian breed, they were taught to leave it. Do you think I should have taught them no cmmands to leave it? Would that have made them safer in your eyes? If someone came into my property and got bitten that would be their fault. My dogs were well socialised to all sorts of people in an effort to try and instill which people were nice so that they would not try and bite those. Should someone coming flying over my fence and get bitten by the dog, well tough. Nice people generally walk through open doors not jump fences or climb through forced or broken windows or doors. I cannot say what my dogs would do exactly when I wasn't there as well I wasn't there! They may do nothing for all I knew. Why try and make something of nothing? Are you trying to have a go because you think I am against PP training? As I am not, I have no experience, never trained it and would think it irresponsible to try and have a go and potentially create a disater. I guess the fact I have owned and trained Guarding breeds for many years with no incidents means I am an idiot then? Edited November 22, 2013 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatic Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I am not out to impress anyone so I really don't care. I would prefer my dog not bite people and they didn't as they hadn't needed to. They were well trained and could be taken anywhere and relied for having stable temperments. They looked convincing enough when they needed to ans shut up when told, made me happy, thats what matters It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. No I did not say they would bite unless I was there, They are a guardian breed, they were taught to leave it. Do you think I should have taught them no cmmands to leave it? Would that have made them safer in your eyes? If someone came into my property and got bitten that would be their fault. My dogs were well socialised to all sorts of people in an effort to try and instill which people were nice so that they would not try and bite those. Should someone coming flying over my fence and get bitten by the dog, well tough. Nice people generally walk through open doors not jump fences or climb through forced or broken windows or doors. I cannot say what my dogs would do exactly when I wasn't there as well I wasn't there! They may do nothing for all I knew. Why try and make something of nothing? Are you trying to have a go becasue you think I ma against PP training? As i am not I have no experience, never trained it adn would think it irresponsible to trya nd have a go Why try and make something of nothing? I saw your statements appear three times - once by you then repeated twice by others. That's all. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) We try to praise him for doing as we ask and he is like yeh yeh get outta my way and let me work sheep. He has been run over a few times by rams and whilst backing off a little for self preservation he still kept doing his job. He's got guts and lives for sheep work. If you asked him what he wanted it would be a definitly let me work sheep, even if I occassionally get ouchies! They need to be like that (& more) when mustering/yarding feral goats too! sometimes they are told to bite & hang on to a foot or nose , otherwise the goats don't believe what they're being told ! I don't think he would do that, he has never even nipped a sheep well not that has ever caused a mark or pulled wool. Who knows though, we have one goat named Yoghurt and she isn't being told by anyone! Edited November 22, 2013 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I am not out to impress anyone so I really don't care. I would prefer my dog not bite people and they didn't as they hadn't needed to. They were well trained and could be taken anywhere and relied for having stable temperments. They looked convincing enough when they needed to ans shut up when told, made me happy, thats what matters It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. No I did not say they would bite unless I was there, They are a guardian breed, they were taught to leave it. Do you think I should have taught them no cmmands to leave it? Would that have made them safer in your eyes? If someone came into my property and got bitten that would be their fault. My dogs were well socialised to all sorts of people in an effort to try and instill which people were nice so that they would not try and bite those. Should someone coming flying over my fence and get bitten by the dog, well tough. Nice people generally walk through open doors not jump fences or climb through forced or broken windows or doors. I cannot say what my dogs would do exactly when I wasn't there as well I wasn't there! They may do nothing for all I knew. Why try and make something of nothing? Are you trying to have a go becasue you think I ma against PP training? As i am not I have no experience, never trained it adn would think it irresponsible to trya nd have a go Why try and make something of nothing? I saw your statements appear three times - once by you then repeated twice by others. That's all. :) And? You are trying to say my dog was a liability due to how I had or hadn't trained her, yes? You were being inflammatory and I am still to figure out exactly why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) And? You are trying to say my dog was a liability due to how I had or hadn't trained her, yes? You were being inflammatory and I am still to figure out exactly why? I suggest that it may be a waste of your valuable time figuring out why. I think it's more a play-if-you're-bored sort of thing. :laugh: Post history can be a good indicator if you're really keen on the figuring, though. :D eta arrgh, actually thread I'm thinking of self combusted. Edited November 22, 2013 by bertie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yep I agree, although sometimes I like to ask why, most of the time people don't know why they just do :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatic Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I was just going through my post history as suggested by the "guru". Mine were not protection trained, they had a command to guard, one to speak and one to leave (as in leave that person do not bite them) I do believe this made them safer not more of a liability. Sounds very good. How often did you need to command them not to bite people? And how often did you let them go ahead and bite people? OK. I'm not so impressed now. You didn't say how often you've let them go ahead and bite people. It's OK. I understand. Your dogs have no command to bite people, but they will bite people if you're not there to tell them "leave" and you believe this has made them a lot safer and not a liability and everyone else agrees. Why try and make something of nothing? I saw your statements appear three times - once by you then repeated twice by others. That's all. :) And? You are trying to say my dog was a liability due to how I had or hadn't trained her, yes? You were being inflammatory and I am still to figure out exactly why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) And? Apart from the fact you find them entertaining? Edited November 22, 2013 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I was just going through my post history as suggested by the "guru". Sweet I love being a guru, will there be burnt offerings? :D Nawww, you must have missed my edit, sadly the thread I was referring to self-combusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I was just going through my post history as suggested by the "guru". Sweet I love being a guru, will there be burnt offerings? :D Nawww, you must have missed my edit, sadly the thread I was referring to self-combusted :worship: Guru Bertie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thanks Oso, I'm getting some clinking medals organised as we speak. Also whipped off a quick email to accountant regarding tax benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatic Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) And? ... And? I can't think of anything further. If you have something to add to the topic - by all means - go ahead. :) Edited November 22, 2013 by dogmatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I though as much, Guru Bertie you was right :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Lol Oso, ah well I suppose I better go rest my weary brain now, g'night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatic Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Not sure what point is being made here, it certainly isn't the point that OP is attempting to make. on the other hand, if i was deliberately putting myself in harm's way for the benefit of the community, i'd like to be able to look at my dog as a loaded gun, and i was taught to treat every gun as if it was loaded. at the same time, i'd hope that any handler of such a weapon was very well trained and cool-headed. i don't know how much onus should be placed on a dog to discern by itself. some, i assume. i admit to knowing very little of pp dogs. Enough discernment that you aren't going to be hit on the back of the head while your not looking 'cos you didn't give a command, and kids are given a "puppy license". At least here. Enough discernment that my dog trusts me to handle most things myself, and only acts when I can't/don't, and only while there is an active threat.Not just a bunch of people goofing around. Using a gun comparison, yes you would hope the handler is well trained and cool headed.In that case, he doesn't carry his gun around half cocked. Sorry for the tedious distraction. SMH. Be good for someone to actually start a topic on PP, and try to hold it on course. :) moosmum, Thanks for the reply. I understand what you say, but didn't understand what was meant by "puppy license". Kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe001 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I called the police idiots not for doing their job but for putting a dog into a situation that it probably will not be effective and the result that happened was easily preditable. The dog was doing the best he could and showed courage but had no chance in recognising who he was meant to be interacting with. With four men in a pile (or was there 5) and only one being held down and pummeled, there was a very good chance a police arm would be bitten rather than a crim. A decision should have been made to crate the dog in the car before going into the surf. It is the handlers responsibility to use the dog to the best of his ability and to not endanger it without a reason. Also pulling a drugf..ked man from the surf for stealing something I don't see as important enough to endanger the dog in that way. He wasn't needed there and didn't help (obviously)and the bloke already had 3 police on his back. Now if it was a situation in which a dog could be useful and was serious enough to risk an injured dog - by all means use it - even if danger exists. My reading of the video was that the handler went out on the jetski and approached the guy from the opposite direction and the dog ran from the beach. That is why they were separated. But maybe that is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Dogmatic, 104 posts and not one has been positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Honestly, that dog is outstanding and a credit to his handler. There is no way on earth the handler would knowingly put their dog into a situation the dog is not able to handle. They adore their dogs. The dog has obviously connected (biten) the offender and during the struggle his handler. It happens at times. How many people are biten trying to break up a fight between their own dogs! Well said OSO :) and Mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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