ACD Breed Chart Project

[asal]

Do you realise there are other stumpies, larger with wire coat.

My friend has them, he bought from breeders in Qld n NSW.

He calls them Smithfield's

He has had them on and off for fifty years, always wire coated

 

No one has applied to have them ANKC recognised 

He has never had a problem finding a replacement when he wants another when the old one dies

 

Are U going to include them? Have existed parallel to the others Tony said

Edited Monday at 03:47 AM by asal

[Guil]

To date, I still fail to find any differences behind those 2, long and short tail, that's paddock talk. I know that stumpies are pricing on the high side, however I believe it's just posh and clumsy marketing. Feel.free to check out what kennel clubs say about them. They say short tails don't get caught in gates and also say they have better balance in a tight space. Thing is, if I had a tail myself, I reckon it'd improve my balance drastically, look at kangaroos for example, why is this animal has the reputation to be an excellent boxer? Because they would never kiss the mat, simple.

 

Let me ask you one thing. The pups and grown ups you had then as protectors, were they Bagust's or Bentley's strains?

Edited Monday at 08:25 AM by Guil

[asal]

2 hours ago, Guil said:

To date, I still fail to find any differences behind those 2, long and short tail, that's paddock talk. I know that stumpies are pricing on the high side, however I believe it's just posh and clumsy marketing. Feel.free to check out what kennel clubs say about them. They say short tails don't get caught in gates and also say they have better balance in a tight space. Thing is, if I had a tail myself, I reckon it'd improve my balance drastically, look at kangaroos for example, why is this animal has the reputation to be an excellent boxer? Because they would never kiss the mat, simple.

 

Let me ask you one thing. The pups and grown ups you had then as protectors, were they Bagust's or Bentley's strains?

You would need to ask Hilton he knew the lines, too far back for me. Sadly he has passed. Ask dogs NSW if if they still have the book Hilton is mentioned in, it has lots of the early history of the breeders

 

Why are you ignoring the very different physique of ACD v ASTCD?

 

Also are you aware that breeding stumpy tail  to stumpy tail parents Means two copies in a pup is lethal. Hence stumpy to tailed stumpy yields bigger live litters

Edited Monday at 11:11 AM by asal

[Guil]

18 hours ago, asal said:

Also are you aware that breeding stumpy tail  to stumpy tail parents Means two copies in a pup is lethal. Hence stumpy to tailed stumpy yields bigger live litters

I do. Heard it's complicated to stay within the modern lines of regulation as breeding stumpies is like playing with fire it seems. Thus to remember that a stumpy tail is a natural irregularity. This type canine as in, descent from wolves are supposed to have one, for reasons we aren't aware of, only them to know, unfortunately their English is generally limited to barking, so go find out.. improved balance is my best guess. And you're right, I mean, if my eye would catch the ones from a stumpy that'd fulfil my need of a work dog, I would certainly disregard its minor irregularity as it'd be in full working capacities. Meanwhile I don't support continuity of ASTCD. First of all because it's a bit of a pretentious mouthful to pronounce, can't even say it, and the other because I don't understand why some would break the piggy bank deliberately to own one, but that's just me.

 

18 hours ago, asal said:

Why are you ignoring the very different physique of ACD v ASTCD?

Because to my modest understanding, they have the same genetic patrimony of an ACD and have followed pretty much the exact same lineage, provides the exact same features and also they work cattle by nature. Differences are negligible to us.

Why is the ANKC ignoring the major differences between an ACD (5 types) and a CDoA (only 3)?

Regular passer-by's aren't.

So, would you like a recording of the next one that comes asking so I can prove my point perhaps?

 

Edited yesterday at 05:58 AM by Guil

[asal]

You are pretty much on your own those who like stumpys keep them many breed them hence so many available for assessment when the register was opened.

 

Others like the cattledog, of course there are others like my friend who prefers the wirehaired stumpies.

Just as if you visit Tarana near Bathurst almost. Every property has coolies, majority Merle they are so popular, the patch pattern Merle.

The whole reason there are so many different breeds is so many people have different expectations of what they want in their dog

 

Edited 23 hours ago by asal

[Guil]

Oh yeah, I know that well, border collies are taking over on cattle work - if it suits farmers, and they seem to be conducting impressive quality team work - also I heard they reckon that they are even smarter that our cattle dogs!

 

> The return of the brits by the backdoor hah?

 

Right now, my job (I will self assign this, just like work dogs do without your consent) is to shed some light on questions people ask and (about my boxy head cattle dog) even though I have a good response, as I became a passionate about their story since I collected all pieces of the puzzle known around internet and accessible hard copies. However writing it down online will be of great interest not just for prospective owners, and also breeders (had one at the top of this thread showing lots of interest).

 

Got some downtime today here in sunny Queensland and will revise the Australian History today on the ACD page (Wikipedia).

 

And yeah, even though we humans sleep against eachother for comfort, we are all on our own in the end, inexorably deriving in the vast universe that has no end 

Edited 7 hours ago by Guil

[asal]

I noticed in the abc competition muster dogs between kelpie and border collie pups that many didn't like the border collies as they preferred the kelpie initiative whereas border's liked to be micro managed.

Plenty of unhappy acd owners there hasn't been an ACD version yet.

Some of mine work chooks, goats and cattle for their owners