Pippi Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 One has a brain one has a beauty.......One day I will have one with both! You need a Border Collie to get that.. Sorry, but that was just too good an opening to resist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 One day I will have one with both! You need a Border Collie to get that.. Sorry, but that was just too good an opening to resist..... :p I could be rude but "If you can't say something nice don't say anything" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarka Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) Tarka - get ready for tomorrow Im equiped with more information How is the loose leash walk going? you will be tested tomorrow! :p I've have to work in the morning, but I'm hoping to still make it. The leash is better; Ruby got promoted to white last week Edited August 26, 2005 by Tarka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 You need a Border Collie to get that.. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder......... preffer black and tan to black and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Do any of you have a Von Forrell Dobe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 Noone at the workshop did. Noone at the previous workshops I organised with Steve did. Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Hi myszka, I am interested in his lines, but I have not seen his web site for a couple of years. His lines interest me because they go back to some old German working lines and combinations. Maybe more interested in the results of his breeding because the guy who breeds them (cannot remember his name) studied (I was told) with Ottmar Vogell for a while and he is supposed to know the best combinations for working Dobes, although I thought from the last time I saw his site they were more SchH dogs. Do they have any reputation as far as work or SchH goes in Oz? (I am in UK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 First of all Sch is not a popular sport in Oz. At the sch club you will be lucky if you see 10 dogs all up, thats in Sydney 4 milion people live here. Von Forell have the reputation of the working lines, but from what I know they dont breed dobes any more, I might be wrong. Von Forrell is in Victoria Im in NSW. Seen one Von Forrel bitch at the Sch club, thats all. In fact she could well have had a different prefix. There are some people that try to combine the show and working lines. Try looking at Fireaxdobes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) OK got the picture on Sch, not much different in UK, in mainland N Europe there are clubs al over the place, especialy Germany where there is a club in almost every village. All show Dobes and I think many other breeds MUST have Sch1 before they can be shown at inter level, not a big deal I know but it does keep the drives balanced to some extent and all Dobes thorughout mainland Europe must have Sch1 to get a breeding licence, except Germany where they must pass ZTP. I am surprised the V Forrel has gone not least because he went to a lot of trouble, time and expense to get them there in the first place, I think he might have had to pay something for the prefix, its 1950s-60s German line and FCI registered (I cant find them so I assume they are no more). He had rare line combinations and many similar breedings produced many good service dogs as well as Sch, not many service since the collapse of communism and if Sch is not popular there not sure they would have been popular, most of them are not the best looking Dobes and some other things. Edited August 26, 2005 by Denis Carthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malinwar Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 tom from von hellas has some good dobes http://www.vonhellas.com/ he is also in vic von forrell still breed dobes but on a very limited basis there last litter was in april Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 At the QLD specialty show/obiedience just recently there were 2 V Forrell dobes, both in Obiedience and both got top placings. From memory they also competed at agility and jumping getting top placings as well. The bithc that I have mentioned before is certainly from V Forrel lines, but might not have the same prefix thats all. She is very Euro looking, and in Oz show ring would most likely not be doing that well. I feel she was actually quite nice, very short and not oversized. Full of beans on the temperament side. Yes in Europe Sch titles are a breeding requirement. That is BH for a bitch and Sch I for a dog. Plus hip Xrays and show scores (3 excellent for a dog, very good for a bitch) None of that in Oz.... I dont want to start the temp subject here, this has been done to death always ending in arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Vonforrell Dobes are listed on Doberman Pacifica. There is a contact name and phone number for them in VIC. The dogs details are not kept very current. Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 Tarka what are you doing on DOL - you meant to be WORKING this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) Von Forells website http://www.vonforell.com/templates/index.php Edited August 26, 2005 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malinwar Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) http://www.vonforell.com/templates/index.php updated website oops u corrected it Edited August 26, 2005 by malinwar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 (edited) OK thanks for the V Forrel links and also the Vonhellos, I did not realize people had imported some of the Euro dogs to there. Is ear cropping allowed there? Edited August 27, 2005 by Denis Carthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 No, ear cropping is illegal in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Ok, I resized the Photos! First, Diesel and Benny before the day: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Diesel showing good attention: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Steve with Diesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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